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Qtec
12-30-2010, 04:18 AM
........left wing world wide conspiracy involving 100,s of countries, 100,000,s of Scientists, Climatologists, Meteorologists, Geologists, etc etc etc?

?


Q,..........hands up.

LWW
12-30-2010, 04:58 AM
Not me.

I believe that climate change is real and natural and is used by a select few to pimp the naive ... very similar to the way the Egyptian high priests pimped the naive in their day.

Back then, they were the first to learn enough astronomy to predict when the Nile river would change course and when the Moon would be devoured from the night sky by their gods.

They used that knowledge to decieve the uneducated into believing that they could control these things.

Today, we see the same thing. From the 1880's to the 1930's we had warming ... 1930's to the 1970's we had cooling ... from the 1970' till about 2000 we had warming ... from then until now we had cooling again. There is nothing magical or evil about any of this.

Yet, in the 1930's we had nut jobs showing how much the ice had shrank since the 1880's and extrapolating that into the Earth being a desert in 50 years. In the 1970's we had nut jobs showing how much the ice had increased since the 1930's and extrapolating that into a new ice age that would be upon us by now ... conveniently ignoring that the ice had merely retreated temporarily.

These cycles are eons old and can be predicted to an amazing degree of accuracy.

The nut jobs still deceive the uneducated and naive with scary pictures and big words ... knowing that the nits can't fathom at a conscious level that the Earth is many thousands of times as old as their single lifespaan which they view as the "HISTORY" of the Earth's climate.

LWW

Qtec
12-30-2010, 06:28 AM
So you believe that ALL these EXPERTS have got it wrong and little old you knows better?

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Based on WHAT? </span>

What you heard on Fox? Did Hannity tell you its all a hoax? Did Beck back him up by exposing the Leftist world wide conspiracy led by Soros and and a comedian?

Q......get real.

Qtec
12-30-2010, 06:31 AM
You are the one spoon fed, just like eg8r.
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>What you think</span> comes from the coffers and the spin machine of the major polluters.
They manufactured this phoney anti GW/CC movement, helped all the way by Fox.
They are scared to death that the costs of not poisoning Americans could impact their profit line.

That's the truth.

Q

moblsv
12-30-2010, 08:49 AM
It must be winter. The "it's cold outside" deniers are coming out of the woodwork again.

pooltchr
12-30-2010, 09:12 AM
climate Change exists! Not only does it exist, but it has existed since the earth was first formed. It is a completely natural part of the cycles of nature. We have had times or warming and times of cooling. We might have even had an "ice age" somewhere in the history of the world.

Our time on this earth is so limited in the scope of things that what we observe can hardly be a predictor of future long range climate fluctuations.

To actually believe that the activities of humans can overpower the forces of nature is crazy. Our
impact on the climate is little more than a fart in a barnyard.

We (humans) are pretty insignificant in the scope of things.

Steve

Gayle in MD
12-30-2010, 09:35 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are the one spoon fed, just like eg8r.
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>What you think</span> comes from the coffers and the spin machine of the major polluters.
They manufactured this phoney anti GW/CC movement, helped all the way by Fox.
They are scared to death that the costs of not poisoning Americans could impact their profit line.

That's the truth.

Q </div></div>

AMEN!

If they ever studied the issue, they'd see the connections between the severe cold, the many Islands, which are being quickly overcome going under water, the changes in the animal world, the severity and particularly the speed at which the climate changes are occuring, along with the increases in third world countries, increasing their burning of fosile fuels while at the same time, industry is quickly destroying the rain forests.

Once can't debate with the ignorant.

It seems a waste of time. They don't read books. They don't study issues, and they know nothing of cause and effect, if they did, Republicans wouldn't be back in the congressional majority!

Just imagine what's coming, with the grand scale rewriting of history on in Texas, massive Texas school book assault on American History, which is currently underway...wouldn't
surprise me if Murdoch wasn't financing that, too.

Orwell times a thousand!


G.

sack316
12-30-2010, 11:32 AM
Q, I believe climate change is real. I also believe man's impact on it has been greatly embellished. Our impact is not non-existent, but nor do I think it is as grand as we would like to believe.

We can find all the science we want, that could honestly and logically say one thing or another. But look at the evolution of species. For as much history as we have discovered, through all of it species ave adapted and evolved for survival. Some, unfortunately, are unable to survive. But why have species adapted so often and changed so significantly over the course of time? More often than not, because their habitat and environment changed. And has done so long before man was industrious, and long before man is known to exist.

Sack

Chopstick
12-30-2010, 11:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So you believe that ALL these EXPERTS have got it wrong and little old you knows better?

<span style="color: #000099">Yes.</span>

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Based on WHAT? </span>

<span style="color: #000099">My own 20+ years experience as a senior level computer systems engineer and</span>

These guys (http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/1520-0469%281963%29020%3C0130%3ADNF%3E2.0.CO%3B2)

<span style="color: #000099">The Global Climate Model does not work correctly and it never will. In the above link there are about a hundred scientific papers that agree with my assessment.</span>

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cushioncrawler
12-30-2010, 02:38 PM
I beleev in GW -- but i dont trust scientists -- over the years there hav been lots of con-artist scientists.

I would like to see a proper scientifik summary of all of their wrong (bullshit science) climate weather and GW prediktions.
And proper scientifik details of why they were wrong.
All of this wrong bullshit stuff should be where u kan eezyly find it all.

And, remember, that even if a prediktion iz/woz true (ie turned out to be true) it might nonetheless be bullshit science.
Hencely that list should inklood this sort of (true) bullshit science stuff too.

But, dont forget, that this iznt so much an issue of "what iz" true -- it iz (shood be) an issue of what "might be" true.
The "might be" iz such a bad risk that it shood not be ignored.
mac.

The biggest scientifik conspiracy woz/iz Relativity.
Einstein woz/iz wrong.
They all know that (or shood know).

bobroberts
12-30-2010, 03:01 PM
Who do you think we are that we have the power to change the climate.Humans are far to pompous. Nature does what nature want's.
Compared to the planet we are mere insects that infest.

cushioncrawler
12-30-2010, 03:33 PM
I allways read what the experts say/write.
mac.

LWW
12-30-2010, 05:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So you believe that ALL these EXPERTS have got it wrong and little old you knows better?

Q......get real. </div></div>

You lost all credibility right there.

ALL the experts don't agree on ANYTHING.

For one, you don't even have a majority who agree with you ... what you have is a willingness to write off anyone who doesn't drink your brand of koolade as a nutjob. GW is the ultimate in inbred intellectual thought.

LWW

LWW
12-30-2010, 05:13 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 20pt'>Based on WHAT? </span>

Q......get real. </div></div>

Based on science which is falsifiable and passes the experimental process.

LWW

Stretch
12-30-2010, 05:27 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 20pt'>Based on WHAT? </span>

Q......get real. </div></div>

Based on science which is falsifiable and passes the experimental process.

LWW </div></div>

Yet you are willing to believe everything the right wing spin doctors lather on. Funny how selective you are when it serves your purpose. St.

LWW
12-31-2010, 04:37 AM
What right wing spin doctors did I use?

What right wing spin doctors were skewing the numbers 100,000 years ago?

What right wing spin doctors 1,000 years ago?

What right wing spin doctors 100 years ago?

Following solar output over many millennia has been an excruciatingly accurate indicator of Earth's temperature.

OTOH we have the Goremons who have flipped between predicted GW and GC many times in the last century. The comical part is the insistence that CO2 is the cause ... in spite of CO2 being lower when the climate was warmer and higher when the climate was cooler.

AGW has become a religion ... no amount of evidence will ever turn a Goremon's head. Warmer weather ... proof of AGW! Cooler ... proof of AGW! Hurricanes ... proof of AGW! No hurricanes ... proof of AGW! Expanding ice shelves ... proof of AGW! Retreating ice sheets ... proof of AGW!

If you folks only would apply this logic to anything else you would realize how ridiculous it all sounds ... but, you can't.

The cult simply won't allow it.

LWW

Sev
12-31-2010, 06:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are the one spoon fed, just like eg8r.
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>What you think</span> comes from the coffers and the spin machine of the major polluters.
They manufactured this phoney anti GW/CC movement, helped all the way by Fox.
They are scared to death that the costs of not poisoning Americans could impact their profit line.

That's the truth.

Q </div></div>

AMEN!

If they ever studied the issue, they'd see the connections between the severe cold, the many Islands, which are being quickly overcome going under water, the changes in the animal world, the severity and particularly the speed at which the climate changes are occuring, along with the increases in third world countries, increasing their burning of fosile fuels while at the same time, industry is quickly destroying the rain forests.

Once can't debate with the ignorant.

It seems a waste of time. They don't read books. They don't study issues, and they know nothing of cause and effect, if they did, Republicans wouldn't be back in the congressional majority!

Just imagine what's coming, with the grand scale rewriting of history on in Texas, massive Texas school book assault on American History, which is currently underway...wouldn't
surprise me if Murdoch wasn't financing that, too.

Orwell times a thousand!


G. </div></div>

Ok professor.

Explain why the rest of the planets in the solar system are experiencing an increase in surface temperature.

OH wait. It must be all those incandescent light bulbs.

Just to note the 1.1º increase in temperature that the goremons are screaming about has not even eclipsed the 2 degree drop experienced in the 70's.

Climate change happens. Ask the dinosaurs.

LWW
12-31-2010, 06:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are the one spoon fed, just like eg8r.
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>What you think</span> comes from the coffers and the spin machine of the major polluters.
They manufactured this phoney anti GW/CC movement, helped all the way by Fox.
They are scared to death that the costs of not poisoning Americans could impact their profit line.

That's the truth.

Q </div></div>

AMEN!

If they ever studied the issue, they'd see the connections between the severe cold, the many Islands, which are being quickly overcome going under water, the changes in the animal world, the severity and particularly the speed at which the climate changes are occuring, along with the increases in third world countries, increasing their burning of fosile fuels while at the same time, industry is quickly destroying the rain forests.

Once can't debate with the ignorant.

It seems a waste of time. They don't read books. They don't study issues, and they know nothing of cause and effect, if they did, Republicans wouldn't be back in the congressional majority!

Just imagine what's coming, with the grand scale rewriting of history on in Texas, massive Texas school book assault on American History, which is currently underway...wouldn't
surprise me if Murdoch wasn't financing that, too.

Orwell times a thousand!


G. </div></div>

Ok professor.

Explain why the rest of the planets in the solar system are experiencing an increase in surface temperature. </div></div>

That's easy.

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LWW

Sev
12-31-2010, 07:30 AM
Oh yah. I forgot about him.

Silly me.

Gayle in MD
12-31-2010, 07:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 20pt'>Based on WHAT? </span>

Q......get real. </div></div>

Based on science which is falsifiable and passes the experimental process.

LWW </div></div>

Yet you are willing to believe everything the right wing spin doctors lather on. Funny how selective you are when it serves your purpose. St. </div></div>

That about sums up the entire right, of the country, friend, and has for several decades.

What I find so incredibly ignorant about their supposed "Facts" is how they slant consistantly in favor of RW pundits and politicians, that are known for their lies and down right ridiculous presentations.

We have a Republiocan party, which has protected the polluters of our worldl, consistantly, for decades, while cancer rates have gone through the roof.

ALL medical findings, and mind you, these are medically proven facts, assign the huge increases of cancer and other diseases, including children's learning problems, diseases that afflict children, cause birth defects, in both the animal world, and among humans, to dirty air and water, and dangerous Chemical pollutants, which were, BTW, greatly increased under their idiot president, Bush/Cheney, and Repiglican policies from Reagan, going straight through to the current new Repiglican congressional majority.

Hence, regardless of what the sheep think about the causes of climate change, they continue to vote for the Cancer Causing Grand Oil Party, which will block any limits to depleting the filth whicch their beloved energy/chemical pigs, spread all over nthe world, in spite of the fact that they have to live in the Cheney garbage pile, as well as their own children and grandkids...

But then, these are the folks who have people like Palin, Limpballs, and Beck, for heroes, LMAO!

Funniest part of their attacks on this president, who prevented Bush's Depression, and was handed his two failed occupations in the Middle East, a health care system which adds to the economic problems of our country, caused 62% of the foreclosures during the beginning of our housing collapse, compliments of the Bush Administration, is how they complain about Health Care Reform, in spite of the fact that our high costs of health care in this country, does not provide health care as effectively and successfully, and universally accessable, as what others are assured, in many other countries, some of them with costs far less than half of ours, and with far better results.

The core issues, are always convoluted by the sheep, who subscribe to any and all of the propaganda, and propagandists, whose end desrie, is always the same, and always the most anti-Christian, of any philosophy, THE LOVE OF MONEY.

It's very simple, the world is running out of oil AND coal.

Pollutants are making us ill.

The medical, HC insurance and pharmaceutical industries, are robbing us blind, and not providing Health care as effectively, or affordably, as what is provided for all, who live in many other countries.

The Repiglican party has promoted, protected, and expanded, every single problem which our country is being negatively impacted by, yet the right, continues to vote against their own best interests, and that of ouor world, and our kids futures.

Drill Baby Drill, should really stand for what must be done in order to drill facts into their thick, partisan, misinformed, convoluted, approach to thinking....

The motto of the right....block all critical thinking skills for the Party line.

Yet, these same people can swallow up the proven thousands of lies, told by the Bush/Cheney Cabal, the Limpballs, Palinban, Beckistan, BS, without a hitch.

Bhoener now calls HCR, the "Job Killing" H.C. Bill, LMAO, another blatant lie, oh but how they do love lies!

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They're nuts.

Sev
12-31-2010, 07:43 AM
I cant wait for the Obama Utopia to come into existence.

Will that occur before or after the US declares bankruptcy???

eg8r
12-31-2010, 08:30 PM
I am spoon fed? Are you kidding? You are the one pimping the GW story tellers to the board. I just ask you to look at history and do a little thinking of your own.

eg8r

LWW
01-01-2011, 05:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am spoon fed? Are you kidding? You are the one pimping the GW story tellers to the board. I just ask you to look at history and do a little thinking of your own.

eg8r </div></div>

What is this madness of which you speak?

LWW

Qtec
01-03-2011, 04:30 AM
LMFAO.

Its telling that you post no proof to back up this idiotic claim.






1. What does the science say about this?


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>Mars and Jupiter are not warming, and anyway the sun has recently been cooling slightly.</span>

This argument is part of a greater one that other planets are warming. If this is happening throughout the solar system, clearly it must be the sun causing the rise in temperatures – including here on Earth.

It is curious that <span style='font-size: 14pt'>the theory depends <u>so much on sparse information</u> – what we know about the climates on other planets and their history – yet its proponents resolutely ignore the most compelling evidence against the notion.</span> <u>Over the last fifty years, the sun’s output has decreased slightly: it is radiating less heat.</u> We can measure the various activities of the sun pretty accurately from here on Earth, or from orbit above it, so it is hard to ignore the discrepancy between the facts and the sceptical argument that the sun is causing the rise in temperatures.

The planets and moons that are claimed to be warming total roughly eight out of dozens of large bodies in the solar system. Some, like Uranus, may be cooling. All the outer planets have vastly longer orbital periods than Earth, so any climate change on them may be seasonal. Saturn and its moons take 30 Earth years to orbit the Sun, so three decades of observations equates to only 1 Saturnian year. Uranus has an 84-year orbit and 98° axial tilt, so its seasons are extreme. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Neptune has not yet completed a single orbit since its discovery in 1846.</span>

This is a round-up of the planets said by sceptics to be experiencing climate change:

* Mars: the notion that Mars is warming came from an unfortunate conflation of weather and climate. <u>Based on two pictures taken 22 years apart, assumptions were made that have not proved to be reliable.</u> <span style='font-size: 17pt'>There is currently no evidence to support claims that Mars is warming at all.</span> </div></div>

this is called a link (http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-other-planets-solar-system.htm)



2.. What climate expert or science Professor made this claim?



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>Proof that CO2 is not the Cause of the Current Global Warming</span>

Ian C McClintock

Introduction

<span style='font-size: 26pt'>Ian McClintock is a farmer </span>from the south-west of NSW who, like most farmers, <span style='font-size: 26pt'>takes a very keen interest in the weather,</span> in weather predictions, and for over twenty years has taken a very keen interest in the debate over anthropogenic emissions as an instrument of climate control.
He has held many positions in the NFF and in the NSW Farmers Association where he currently serves on the Climate Change Task Force, the Business Economic & Trade Committee, and on the Executive Council. He has served on the NFF’s Economic Committee,
Conservation Committee, and as the NFF’s representative on the National Farm Forestry
Round Table.
Ray Evans </div></div>

chuckle (http://www.lavoisier.com.au/articles/greenhouse-science/climate-change/mcclintock-proofnotco2-2009.pdf)


LMFAO once again. Thanks for the laughs.


Q........LOL

LWW
01-03-2011, 05:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What climate expert or science Professor made this claim?


</div></div>


Well, let's start with:

- NASA

- The Russians

National Geographic

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
Kate Ravilious
for National Geographic News
February 28, 2007
Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory.

Earth is currently experiencing rapid warming, which the vast majority of climate scientists says is due to humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. (Get an overview: "Global Warming Fast Facts".)

In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row.

Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.

"The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said. </div></div>

Poor Snoopy ... (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html)

LWW

Qtec
01-03-2011, 05:57 AM
What does the REST of it say Dorothy?


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Abdussamatov's work, however, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>has not been well received by other climate scientists. </span>


<span style='font-size: 17pt'>"His views are completely at odds with the mainstream scientific opinion," </span>said Colin Wilson, a planetary physicist at England's Oxford University.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>"And they contradict the extensive evidence presented in the most recent IPCC</span> [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] report." (Related: "Global Warming 'Very Likely' Caused by Humans, World Climate Experts Say" [February 2, 2007].)



Amato Evan, a climate scientist at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, added that <span style='font-size: 26pt'>"<u>the idea just isn't supported by the theory or by the observations.</u></span> </div></div>


LOL




Q..

LWW
01-03-2011, 06:35 AM
Of course they contradict the IPCC.

The IPCC has been shown to be guilty of RICO type fraud.

Besides that ... his observations are correct.

Your argument boils down to claiming that even though all of the Goremon predictions have to date been wrong ... they simply must still be right.

Proceed.

LWW

Chopstick
01-03-2011, 08:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> LMFAO.

1. What does the science say about this?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>Mars and Jupiter are not warming, </span>

</div></div>
</div></div>
<span style="color: #000099">It says bullsh$t.</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Mars is Melting</span>
The south polar ice cap of Mars is receding, revealing frosty mountains, rifts and curious dark spots.

NASA: Martian polar ice caps are melting. (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2003/07aug_southpole/)

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Climate change hits Mars</span>

Mars is being hit by rapid climate change and it is happening so fast that the red planet could lose its southern ice cap, writes Jonathan Leake.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Scientists from Nasa say that Mars has warmed by about 0.5C </span>since the 1970s. This is similar to the warming experienced on Earth over approximately the same period.

NASA says Mars is warming. (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1720024.ece)

moblsv
01-03-2011, 09:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mij0K3k34-o

Sev
01-03-2011, 07:58 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chopstick</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> LMFAO.

1. What does the science say about this?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>Mars and Jupiter are not warming, </span>

</div></div>
</div></div>
<span style="color: #000099">It says bullsh$t.</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Mars is Melting</span>
The south polar ice cap of Mars is receding, revealing frosty mountains, rifts and curious dark spots.

NASA: Martian polar ice caps are melting. (http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2003/07aug_southpole/)

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Climate change hits Mars</span>

Mars is being hit by rapid climate change and it is happening so fast that the red planet could lose its southern ice cap, writes Jonathan Leake.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Scientists from Nasa say that Mars has warmed by about 0.5C </span>since the 1970s. This is similar to the warming experienced on Earth over approximately the same period.

NASA says Mars is warming. (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1720024.ece)

</div></div>

Our light bulbs are warming Mars!!!!!!!!!!!!

Qtec
01-04-2011, 01:35 AM
Is there an explanation for this?

SURE there is. All you have to do is read further.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like Earth, Mars has seasons that cause its polar caps to wax and wane. "It's late spring at the south pole of Mars," says planetary scientist Dave Smith of the Goddard Space Flight Center. "The polar cap is receding because the <span style='font-size: 17pt'>springtime </span>sun is shining on it." </div></div>


Q

LWW
01-04-2011, 03:15 AM
<span style='font-size: 20pt'>FINALLY</span> ... Q gets it.

Original quote:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Scientists from Nasa say that Mars has warmed by about 0.5C since the 1970s. This is similar to the warming experienced on Earth over approximately the same period.</div></div>

Q's reply:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there an explanation for this?

SURE there is. All you have to do is read further.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like Earth, Mars has seasons that cause its polar caps to wax and wane. "It's late spring at the south pole of Mars," says planetary scientist Dave Smith of the Goddard Space Flight Center. "The polar cap is receding because the <span style='font-size: 17pt'>springtime </span>sun is shining on it." </div></div>


Q

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And there you have it folks.

Q's explanation for GW on both the Earth and Mars is ... the Sun.

LWW

sack316
01-04-2011, 03:40 AM
Dub, haven't you heard by now that man is more powerful than mother nature and the sun combined?

My solution? If we can just reverse the rotation of the Earth (which should be within our mighty power), I theorize we can reverse time and go back to before we destroyed the planet. We can then warn ourselves thus preventing our certain doom!

It's as logical of a plan as paying complete strangers for "carbon credits" anyway /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Sack

LWW
01-04-2011, 03:46 AM
Haven't you heard that Obama saved us from this anyway ... he's already made the oceans begin to recede.

LWW

Qtec
01-04-2011, 04:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And there you have it folks.

Q's explanation for GW on both the Earth and Mars is ... the Sun.

LWW </div></div>

LOL.

You have been watching too much Glenn Beck. LMAO

<span style='font-size: 26pt'>That's YOUR explanation Dorothy, not mine.</span>


Q......what a nutjob..... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

LWW
01-04-2011, 04:42 AM
You quoted it brother ... no amount of doublethink will change that.

LWW

Qtec
01-04-2011, 04:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You quoted it brother ... no amount of doublethink will change that.

LWW </div></div>

You mean this?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like Earth, Mars has seasons? </div></div>

Seasons are different from CC. Didn't you know that?

Q

LWW
01-04-2011, 05:28 AM
Nope ... I meant the part that I quoted you on.

The Earth and Mars have been warming in synch since the 1970's.

You blamed it on the Sun.

I agree.

LWW

Chopstick
01-04-2011, 09:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there an explanation for this?

SURE there is. All you have to do is read further.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like Earth, Mars has seasons that cause its polar caps to wax and wane. "It's late spring at the south pole of Mars," says planetary scientist Dave Smith of the Goddard Space Flight Center. "The polar cap is receding because the <span style='font-size: 17pt'>springtime </span>sun is shining on it." </div></div>


Q

</div></div>

Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
Kate Ravilious
for National Geographic News
February 28, 2007

Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory.

Earth is currently experiencing rapid warming, which the vast majority of climate scientists says is due to humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

Mars North Pole image

Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures.

In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole <span style='font-size: 14pt'>had been diminishing for three summers in a row.</span>

Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.

"The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said.

Solar Cycles

Abdussamatov believes that changes in the sun's heat output can account for almost all the climate changes we see on both planets.

Mars and Earth, for instance, have experienced periodic ice ages throughout their histories.

"Man-made greenhouse warming has made a small contribution to the warming seen on Earth in recent years, but it <span style='font-size: 14pt'>cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance,</span>" Abdussamatov said.

By studying fluctuations in the warmth of the sun, Abdussamatov believes he can see a pattern that fits with the ups and downs in climate we see on Earth and Mars.

Abdussamatov's work, however, has not been well received by other climate scientists. <span style="color: #000099">Really? Ya think?</span>

Nat Geo says Mars is warming. (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html)

LWW
01-04-2011, 01:37 PM
Q has locked up due to the doublethink involved in his conundrum.

One day he will learn that the first step to getting out of a hole is to stop digging.

LWW

Qtec
01-05-2011, 01:10 AM
link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sf_UIQYc20&feature=player_embedded)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
Kate Ravilious
for National Geographic News
February 28, 2007

Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars <u>suggests</u> that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, <u>according to one scientist's <span style='font-size: 14pt'>controversial theory.</span></u> </div></div>

Glenn Beck also has many controversial theories, do you believe him as well?

Also from your link.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Planets' Wobbles

The conventional theory is that climate changes on Mars can be explained primarily by small alterations in the planet's orbit and tilt, <u>not by changes in the sun.</u>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>"Wobbles in the orbit of Mars are the main cause of its climate change in the current era,"</span> Oxford's Wilson explained. (Related: "Don't Blame Sun for Global Warming, Study Says" [September 13, 2006].)

All planets experience a few wobbles as they make their journey around the sun. Earth's wobbles are known as Milankovitch cycles and occur on time scales of between 20,000 and 100,000 years.

These fluctuations change the tilt of Earth's axis and its distance from the sun and are thought to be responsible for the waxing and waning of ice ages on Earth.

Mars and Earth wobble in different ways, and most scientists think it is pure coincidence that both planets are between ice ages right now.

"Mars has no [large] moon, which makes its wobbles much larger, and hence the swings in climate are greater too," Wilson said. </div></div>



Q

LWW
01-05-2011, 03:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sf_UIQYc20&feature=player_embedded)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
Kate Ravilious
for National Geographic News
February 28, 2007

Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars <u>suggests</u> that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, <u>according to one scientist's <span style='font-size: 14pt'>controversial theory.</span></u> </div></div>

Glenn Beck also has many controversial theories, do you believe him as well?

Also from your link.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Planets' Wobbles

The conventional theory is that climate changes on Mars can be explained primarily by small alterations in the planet's orbit and tilt, <u>not by changes in the sun.</u>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>"Wobbles in the orbit of Mars are the main cause of its climate change in the current era,"</span> Oxford's Wilson explained. (Related: "Don't Blame Sun for Global Warming, Study Says" [September 13, 2006].)

All planets experience a few wobbles as they make their journey around the sun. Earth's wobbles are known as Milankovitch cycles and occur on time scales of between 20,000 and 100,000 years.

These fluctuations change the tilt of Earth's axis and its distance from the sun and are thought to be responsible for the waxing and waning of ice ages on Earth.

Mars and Earth wobble in different ways, and most scientists think it is pure coincidence that both planets are between ice ages right now.

"Mars has no [large] moon, which makes its wobbles much larger, and hence the swings in climate are greater too," Wilson said. </div></div>



Q </div></div>

Q ... you are realy coming around.

You know realize that the M cycles cause the Earth to get closer/farther from the Sun which causes the climate to rise/fall ... thus disproving the Goremon insanity.

BRAVO!

LWW

eg8r
01-05-2011, 08:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">100,000,s of Scientists, Climatologists, Meteorologists, Geologists, etc etc etc?
</div></div>Are there really that many scientists, climatologists and meteorologists on the books? No wonder they keep up this lie about man made GW.

eg8r

Sev
01-05-2011, 08:20 AM
There is such a thing as perigee and apogee and it applies to all the satellites our our sun. It also applies to all the satellites of the plants.

Gayle in MD
01-05-2011, 08:52 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chopstick</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is there an explanation for this?

SURE there is. All you have to do is read further.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Like Earth, Mars has seasons that cause its polar caps to wax and wane. "It's late spring at the south pole of Mars," says planetary scientist Dave Smith of the Goddard Space Flight Center. "The polar cap is receding because the <span style='font-size: 17pt'>springtime </span>sun is shining on it." </div></div>


Q

</div></div>

Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says
Kate Ravilious
for National Geographic News
February 28, 2007

Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human-induced—cause, according to one scientist's controversial theory.

Earth is currently experiencing rapid warming, which the vast majority of climate scientists says is due to humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

Mars North Pole image

Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures.

In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole <span style='font-size: 14pt'>had been diminishing for three summers in a row.</span>

Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of space research at St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun.

"The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said.

Solar Cycles

Abdussamatov believes that changes in the sun's heat output can account for almost all the climate changes we see on both planets.

Mars and Earth, for instance, have experienced periodic ice ages throughout their histories.

"Man-made greenhouse warming has made a small contribution to the warming seen on Earth in recent years, but it <span style='font-size: 14pt'>cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance,</span>" Abdussamatov said.

By studying fluctuations in the warmth of the sun, Abdussamatov believes he can see a pattern that fits with the ups and downs in climate we see on Earth and Mars.

Abdussamatov's work, however, has not been well received by other climate scientists. <span style="color: #000099">Really? Ya think?</span>

Nat Geo says Mars is warming. (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html)


</div></div>

LOL:

<span style='font-size: 14pt'> <span style="color: #990000"> according to one scientist's controversial theory.

</span> </span>

Keep on grabbing at straws.

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LWW
01-06-2011, 04:03 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is such a thing as perigee and apogee and it applies to all the satellites our our sun. It also applies to all the satellites of the plants.

</div></div>

Never bring science to the table against a religious fanatic.

LWW

Qtec
01-06-2011, 05:09 AM
How many people in the USA have a PHD?

How many at one large University?

I will bet you there are more than 100,000 in the USA alone? I think I was actually being conservative in my estimate.

LWW comes up with ONE nutjob scientist from the University of Nowhere in Siberia whatever, who thinks, probably, maybe, perhaps, etc....Mars...GW.... and he thinks this is proof that the GW is not man made!

This crap is seized apon by the RW blogosphere and nutjobs like LWW pass it on thinking its true! Amazing.

It will probably be on Fox pretty soon.


Q.......get real.

LWW
01-06-2011, 05:57 AM
Why can't you discuss things honestly?

LWW

Qtec
01-06-2011, 06:49 AM
No answer, just another question.

Q.........everyone sees it.

Here is an idea. Why not start another zilion threads and hope people will forget all the times you have been shown to be WRONG.

eg8r
01-06-2011, 09:02 AM
No wonder they keep the lie going with all those "higher education" people on the books. Imagine if they had to earn a living flipping burgers and bagging groceries?

eg8r

Chopstick
01-06-2011, 12:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sf_UIQYc20&feature=player_embedded)

<span style="color: #000099">This guy contradicts himself with his own data. This is not someone that I would listen to.</span>


Also from your link.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Planets' Wobbles

The conventional theory is that climate changes on Mars can be explained primarily by small alterations in the planet's orbit and tilt, <u>not by changes in the sun.</u>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>"Wobbles in the orbit of Mars are the main cause of its climate change in the current era,"</span> Oxford's Wilson explained. (Related: "Don't Blame Sun for Global Warming, Study Says" [September 13, 2006].)

All planets experience a few wobbles as they make their journey around the sun. Earth's wobbles are known as Milankovitch cycles and occur on time scales of between 20,000 and 100,000 years.

These fluctuations change the tilt of Earth's axis and its distance from the sun and are thought to be responsible for the waxing and waning of ice ages on Earth.

Mars and Earth wobble in different ways, and most scientists think it is pure coincidence that both planets are between ice ages right now.

"Mars has no [large] moon, which makes its wobbles much larger, and hence the swings in climate are greater too," Wilson said. </div></div>

<span style="color: #000099">Fair enough counterpoint. This is what else Wilson and his colleagues say in their study, ""Don't Blame Sun for Global Warming, Study Says" cited above</span>

The authors and other experts are quick to point out that more complicated solar mechanisms could possibly be driving climate change in ways we don't yet understand.

Climate change carries such high stakes that even more unlikely possibilities may capture scientific attention.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>"There are numerous studies that find a correlation [between solar variation and Earth climate]," said Sami Solanki of the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Lindau, Germany.</span>

"These authors have looked at the simplest mechanism, and they find that this mechanism does not produce the same level of change that has been observed," he continued.

<span style="color: #000099">So, here they admit they don't understand all of the factors involved so they just looked at the simplest possible model. This is also the same model that the IPCC model is based on.</span>

"This could be suggesting that there are other mechanisms acting for the way that the sun influences climate."

Solar ultraviolet (UV) rays are one possibility, though that theory creates its own challenges.

"UV is only a small fraction of total solar output, so you'd need a strong amplification mechanism in the Earth's atmosphere," study co-author Spruit said.

Magnetized plasma flares known as solar wind could also impact Earth's climate. Solar wind influences galactic rays and may in turn affect atmospheric phenomena on Earth, such as cloud cover.

Such complex interactions are poorly understood but could be crucial to unlocking Earth's climatic puzzle.

"I think the main question," the Max Planck Institute's Solanki said, "is, How does the sun [in general] act on climate? What are the processes that are going on in the Earth's atmosphere?"


Q </div></div>

<span style="color: #000099">So in response to you question "Based on what?" I have posted a number of significant scientific reasons to doubt that GW/CC or whatever they are calling it this week is actually caused by man. Neither I nor the best scientific minds on earth know for certain what is going on. However, I have learned enough to recognize with certainty who does not and I am certain that taxing world governments and sending money to Africa is not going to fix the problem (as if the poor countries would ever see a fraction of that money).</span>

bobroberts
01-06-2011, 03:36 PM
Gaylein MD Quote"The motto of the right....block all critical thinking skills for the Party line."

As if the left has had a critical thought in the last 50 years.

Sev
01-06-2011, 03:43 PM
<span style='font-size: 20pt'>HAHAHHAAAHAHHAH!!!</span>