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LWW
01-03-2011, 10:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"During the last 20 to 30 years, world temperature has fallen, irregularly at first but more sharply over the last decade."
U.S. National Science Board, 1974. </div></div>

LWW

LWW
01-03-2011, 10:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Judging from the record of the past interglacial ages, the present time of high temperatures should be drawing to an end... leading into the next glacial age....
National Science Board, 1972. </div></div>

LWW

LWW
01-03-2011, 11:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s, the world will undergo famines. Hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. Population control is the only answer
Paul Ehrlich - The Population Bomb (1968) </div></div>

LWW

LWW
01-03-2011, 11:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000
Paul Ehrlich in (1969) </div></div>

LWW

LWW
01-03-2011, 11:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish.
Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day (1970) </div></div>

LWW

LWW
01-03-2011, 11:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000...This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age.
Kenneth E.F. Watt on air pollution and global cooling, Earth Day (1970) </div></div>

LWW

llotter
01-03-2011, 01:51 PM
The one thing we all know for sure is that Climate Change is very fickle. All of the errors that you point to give proof positive that the weather is difficult to predict and there can be no doubt that Climate Change is the most serious threat to humankind and that we must take action without further delay.

Cap and Trade is the only sane method of controlling those unwanted changes because it allows the market to insure the most efficient implementation. Yes, prices will have to go up a little but the benefits of avoiding total climate disaster will make the cost seem very reasonable. There can be little doubt that, just like the cost of the big government bailouts to save our economy saved millions of jobs and rescued us from a total economic collapse was a wise investment, big expenses required to control the weather will also save the world from total climatic disaster.

Everyone wants to enjoy the benefits but few, especially the rich, want to pay their fair share. What is truly amazing is that there are dozens of little people willing to be shills for the interests of the rich...useful idiots is what I call them.

Chopstick
01-03-2011, 02:06 PM
Jello hater.

Soflasnapper
01-03-2011, 02:19 PM
I appreciate that the use of ellipses (...) indicates omitted language, and thanks to you (or your source) for that clue.

But that is not an adequate alibi, when the things left out are the OPPOSITE or trend against the point you make the edited words seem to say.

What was left out? Oh, that they said the next glacial age was freakin' **20,000 years out**, for one thing. The other? That anthropogenic effects may have ALREADY THEN been interfering with this natural trend tendency.

(From Wiki's page on what was admittedly then the Global Cooling **CONJECTURE** a generation ago)

"The National Science Board's Patterns and Perspectives in Environmental Science report of 1972 discussed the cyclical behavior of climate, and the understanding at the time that the planet was entering a phase of cooling after a warm period. "Judging from the record of the past interglacial ages, the present time of high temperatures should be drawing to an end, to be followed by a long period of considerably colder temperatures leading into the next glacial age some 20,000 years from now."[19] But it also continued; "However, it is possible, or even likely, that human interference has already altered the environment so much that the climatic pattern of the near future will follow a different path."[19]

The Board's report of 1974, Science And The Challenges Ahead , continued on this theme. "During the last 20-30 years, world temperature has fallen, irregularly at first but more sharply over the last decade."[20] However discussion of cyclic glacial periods does not feature in this report. Instead it is the role of man that is central to the report's analysis. "The cause of the cooling trend is not known with certainty. But there is increasing concern that man himself may be implicated, not only in the recent cooling trend but also in the warming temperatures over the last century".[20] The report can not conclude whether carbon dioxide in warming, or agricultural and industrial pollution in cooling, are factors in the recent climatic changes, noting; "Before such questions as these can be resolved, major advances must be made in understanding the chemistry and physics of the atmosphere and oceans, and in measuring and tracing particulates through the system."[21]"

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LWW, cherry-picking quotes as you, or your sources, have done here discredits what actually true points you may be expressing. If that concerns you.

sack316
01-03-2011, 02:30 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I appreciate that the use of ellipses (...) indicates omitted language, and thanks to you (or your source) for that clue.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
LWW, cherry-picking quotes as you, or your sources, have done here discredits what actually true points you may be expressing. If that concerns you. </div></div>

No offense here, and your point is well noted, but haven't you done the same sort of cherry picking by selecting the one quote out of six that made use of ellipses? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif just an observation

Sack

LWW
01-03-2011, 04:19 PM
Why don't you edify us as to what the opposite meaning was?

LWW

LWW
01-03-2011, 04:21 PM
No ellipses:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?”
- Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme </div></div>

LWW

LWW
01-03-2011, 04:21 PM
Nor here:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">“A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States. De-development means bringing our
economic system into line with the realities of ecology and the world resource situation.”
- Paul Ehrlich, Professor of Population Studies </div></div>

LWW

LWW
01-03-2011, 04:23 PM
Nor here:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">“My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world.”
-Dave Foreman, co-founder of Earth First! </div></div>

LWW

LWW
01-03-2011, 04:25 PM
And here's a fave of mine:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>“In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill.”</span>
- Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution </div></div>

LWW

LWW
01-03-2011, 04:26 PM
I gotta lotta mo:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">“It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.”
- Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace </div></div>

LWW

LWW
01-03-2011, 04:27 PM
Another prize:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony, climate change provides the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.“</span>
-Christine Stewart, fmr Canadian Minister of the Environment </div></div>
LWW

LWW
01-03-2011, 04:28 PM
And another:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>"We’ve got to ride this global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy.“</span>
- Timothy Wirth, President of the UN Foundation </div></div>

cushioncrawler
01-03-2011, 07:25 PM
Scientists hav found that jello freezes at 0dg -- or -5dg if mixed with vodka.
Once frozen it kan be nailed to the lab door -- alltho this makes it harder to lick.
Once u hav licked about a dozen vodka jellos be carefull not to hurt yourself on the nail.
mac.

Sev
01-03-2011, 08:00 PM
Hey Mac. I bet you've put frozen jello shots in interesting places. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shocked.gif

Chopstick
01-04-2011, 10:28 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_prXPnx1tuds/Sn3V7D8MZtI/AAAAAAAAAK8/9XHCP8vbB1k/s400/JelloNailTree.jpg

Soflasnapper
01-04-2011, 11:40 AM
Sack:

No, but yes. Yes, I cherry-picked one of LWW's citations, but no, I didn't take it out of context or cut out parts that went to the opposite point.

If someone tells the truth, then lies, and then tells the truth, it is not cherry-picking to mention the lie, in the sense I meant, which was, to be clear, MISREPRESENTING what was said, given all that was said (by leaving parts out).

sack316
01-04-2011, 03:26 PM
fair enough. thanks for the response.

Sack