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Qtec
01-05-2011, 05:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Republicans are telling Americans a big lie, and Obama and the Democrats are letting them. The Big Lie is that our economic problems are due to a government that's too large, and therefore the solution is to shrink it.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>The truth is our economic problems stem from the biggest concentration of income and wealth at the top since 1928, combined with stagnant incomes for most of the rest of us. The result: Americans no longer have the purchasing power to keep the economy going at full capacity.</span> Since the debt bubble burst, most Americans have had to reduce their spending; they need to repay their debts, can't borrow as before, and must save for retirement. </div></div>


Ain't that the truth.

link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/post_1496_b_803900.html)

I don't know how the GOP think that reducing the services, wages, benefits and pensions of the majority of Americans is going to stimulate the economy.
Do you?

The American heydays were when a GW workers earned enough to support his family without him and his wife working two jobs.


Q

LWW
01-05-2011, 06:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Republicans are telling Americans a big lie, and Obama and the Democrats are letting them. The Big Lie is that our economic problems are due to a government that's too large, and therefore the solution is to shrink it.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>The truth is our economic problems stem from the biggest concentration of income and wealth at the top since 1928, combined with stagnant incomes for most of the rest of us. The result: Americans no longer have the purchasing power to keep the economy going at full capacity.</span> Since the debt bubble burst, most Americans have had to reduce their spending; they need to repay their debts, can't borrow as before, and must save for retirement. </div></div>


Ain't that the truth.

link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/post_1496_b_803900.html)

I don't know how the GOP think that reducing the services, wages, benefits and pensions of the majority of Americans is going to stimulate the economy.
Do you?

The American heydays were when a GW workers earned enough to support his family without him and his wife working two jobs.


Q </div></div>

Do I need to look up the link YOU posted which showed that to be untrue?

LWW

Gayle in MD
01-05-2011, 08:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Republicans are telling Americans a big lie, and Obama and the Democrats are letting them. The Big Lie is that our economic problems are due to a government that's too large, and therefore the solution is to shrink it.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>The truth is our economic problems stem from the biggest concentration of income and wealth at the top since 1928, combined with stagnant incomes for most of the rest of us. The result: Americans no longer have the purchasing power to keep the economy going at full capacity.</span> Since the debt bubble burst, most Americans have had to reduce their spending; they need to repay their debts, can't borrow as before, and must save for retirement. </div></div>


Ain't that the truth.

link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/post_1496_b_803900.html)

I don't know how the GOP think that reducing the services, wages, benefits and pensions of the majority of Americans is going to stimulate the economy.
Do you?

The American heydays were when a GW workers earned enough to support his family without him and his wife working two jobs.


Q </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know how the GOP think that reducing the services, wages, benefits and pensions of the majority of Americans is going to stimulate the economy.
Do you?

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Irrationality is the Hallmark of Repiglican rhetoric and spoken hubris.


By the end of this week, the Repiglican Emperors will be naked.

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G.

Sev
01-05-2011, 08:12 AM
I guess quantitative easing, increases in food, fuel and transportation due to the use of ethanol,outsourcing, the loss of our industrial and manufacturing complex and a debt of 14 trillion have nothing to do with it.

pooltchr
01-05-2011, 08:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The Big Lie is that our economic problems are due to a government that's too large, and therefore the solution is to shrink it.


I don't know how the GOP think that reducing the services, wages, benefits and pensions of the majority of Americans is going to stimulate the economy.
Do you?

Q </div></div>

If you are suggesting that shrinking government would cut wages to the majority of Americans, then I can only conclude you believe the majority of Americans are employed by the government. And if that were the case, I would agree that our economy may well be way beyond repair.

When more people are living off the government in one form or another, than are making a living from private enterprises, then we aren't producing more than we are consuming.

The balance between the private sector and government spending needs to always weigh in favor of private business. So our two options are to either (1) GROW THE PRIVATE SECTOR or (2) REDUCE THE SIZE OF GOVERNMENT.

Doing both would be even better!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for bringing this to light.

Steve

eg8r
01-05-2011, 08:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ain't that the truth.
</div></div>Just because you found a link on the net makes it true? What your author is basically saying is that spending more than you bring in is not the problem, the problem is that some people are richer than others. What an idiot.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
01-05-2011, 08:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Republicans are telling Americans a big lie, and Obama and the Democrats are letting them. The Big Lie is that our economic problems are due to a government that's too large, and therefore the solution is to shrink it.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>The truth is our economic problems stem from the biggest concentration of income and wealth at the top since 1928, combined with stagnant incomes for most of the rest of us. The result: Americans no longer have the purchasing power to keep the economy going at full capacity.</span> Since the debt bubble burst, most Americans have had to reduce their spending; they need to repay their debts, can't borrow as before, and must save for retirement. </div></div>


Ain't that the truth.

link (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/post_1496_b_803900.html)

I don't know how the GOP think that reducing the services, wages, benefits and pensions of the majority of Americans is going to stimulate the economy.
Do you?

The American heydays were when a GW workers earned enough to support his family without him and his wife working two jobs.


Q </div></div>

Examples of Repiglican Hypocrisy!


Create Jobs?

Reduce the deficit?

Enhance the Middle Class and improve the economy.




Boehner is promising a more open legislating process.

Open amendments, on spending bills, that will be written in committee, as apposed to the Speakers Office, and that they will put thhe text for those bills on line for three days to that the minority party, press and public can look at it in advance of voting?




Hypocrisy, because the esception which they don't mention, is the Rules Committee. Every single bill that goes through, goese through the Rules Committee, first.

They won't be allowing Bills, three days advance notice, before floor action, when it goes to the Rules Committee, which essentially makes their HUBRIS STATEMENT, meaningless reform. They would include the rules committee if they were serious.

They are goiong to allow one person, Paul Ryan, Chairman of the Budget committee, the authority to set the budget ceilings on his own, for the entire country.

What do the Tea Party people, of one vote, one person, have to say about that?

One member, takes away the Constitional right of all other Representatives, with his one vote? Where is THAT, in our Constitution???

When President Obama was sworn in the economy was losing 750,000 jobs a month.

Last year the economy created over a million private sector jobs.

More than Bush created throughout his entire presidency.

Lame Duck? The last Congress had historic successes, in the midst of historic obstructionism, record breaking filibusters, matching Bush's record breaking spending job losses and debts.


Our economy collapsed, and the myth continues. It was all Fannie and Freddie, BWA HA HA HA....

The ignorance in the Flyover states, is stunning!

G.

pooltchr
01-05-2011, 11:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[

The ignorance in the Flyover states, is stunning!

G.


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Not nearly as stunning as the ignorance of the liberals in (and near) Washington!

Steve

Qtec
01-06-2011, 02:52 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just because you found a link on the net makes it true? </div></div>

WTF is 'IT'?

I am not a mind reader. For the Zillionth time, be specific.

If you are referring to the wealth distribution that has been taking place over the last 40 years, its a matter of FACT.
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Yes, a FACT, we all know how you hate facts that contradict you moronic conclusions.</span>

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>It might have escaped you but the RICH/Wall St brought the country to its knees. The whole world is now suffering because of Wall St greed and fraud.........<u>and the GOP and Govts around the world want the people with the least resources to pay for it.</u></span>

<span style='font-size: 26pt'>Goldman Sachs top 2 people got a BONUS of 24 MILLION.

The GOP want to cut benefits to that people have paid into the system all their life and want them to work a few more years before retiring.</span>

The GOP is a Christian Party..............my FN a$$.


Q

LWW
01-06-2011, 04:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Last year the economy created over a million private sector jobs.

More than Bush created throughout his entire presidency.

G.


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Link?

What's that?

You don't have one?

You made it up?

LWW

eg8r
01-06-2011, 08:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">WTF is 'IT'?

I am not a mind reader. For the Zillionth time, be specific.
</div></div>You sure aren't. I would venture to call you an idiot. Let me spell it out for you...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: qtip's author</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Republicans are telling Americans a big lie, and Obama and the Democrats are letting them. The Big Lie is that our economic problems are due to a government that's too large, and therefore the solution is to shrink it.

The truth is our economic problems stem from the biggest concentration of income and wealth at the top since 1928, combined with stagnant incomes for most of the rest of us. The result: Americans no longer have the purchasing power to keep the economy going at full capacity. Since the debt bubble burst, most Americans have had to reduce their spending; they need to repay their debts, can't borrow as before, and must save for retirement. </div></div><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: qtip</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ain't that the truth.
</div></div>There you go, maybe you can now follow along. "It" is your fantasy of the "truth".

eg8r

Gayle in MD
01-06-2011, 09:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just because you found a link on the net makes it true? </div></div>

WTF is 'IT'?

I am not a mind reader. For the Zillionth time, be specific.

If you are referring to the wealth distribution that has been taking place over the last 40 years, its a matter of FACT.
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Yes, a FACT, we all know how you hate facts that contradict you moronic conclusions.</span>

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>It might have escaped you but the RICH/Wall St brought the country to its knees. The whole world is now suffering because of Wall St greed and fraud.........<u>and the GOP and Govts around the world want the people with the least resources to pay for it.</u></span>

<span style='font-size: 26pt'>Goldman Sachs top 2 people got a BONUS of 24 MILLION.

The GOP want to cut benefits to that people have paid into the system all their life and want them to work a few more years before retiring.</span>

The GOP is a Christian Party..............my FN a$$.


Q

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Tap-! Tap! Tap!

We all saw what happened.

Repubs had the House, the Senate and the White House, and ran this country into a ditch! Spending and borrowing and giving away money, and failing to pay for any of it!

A massive redistribution, money stolen from the bottom 90 percent, and Republicans looking the other way, throughout, and denying the gross irresponsibility, which brought us nearly into another Great Depression!




Two multi trillion dollar, totally F-ed up wars, neither were over nor settled when Bush left, a collapsed economy, that almost brought the whole world to it's knees, higher cancer rates, from the polluting pigs, which finance Republicans and whom they protect, while they are killing all of us, and job losses at the rate of 750,000 a month, under Bush's "Fundamentally Strong" Economy! LMAO!

Without Fux Noise, the pig polluters of the world, and the dummies in the Flyover States, Republicans could never have gained another majority.

Here they are now, back in there, and already they are doing everything that caused our messes in the first place, all over again.

Boehner is a joke! So are Republicans!

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Sev
01-06-2011, 09:29 AM
Blah Blah Blah Blah!!!!!!

Somebody please kick the record player it appears to be stuck.

pooltchr
01-06-2011, 09:53 AM
Hey Gayle! Wake up!!

Forget "stimulus" bills and "shovel-ready" bailouts (for public school teachers, who need shovels for what they're teaching), the current financial crisis, which is the second Great Depression, was created slowly and methodically by Democrat hacks running Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over the past 18 years.

As even Obama's treasury secretary admitted in congressional hearings, "Fannie and Freddie were a core part of what went wrong in our system." And if it's something Tim Geithner noticed, it's probably something that's fairly obvious.

Goo-goo liberals with federal titles pressured banks into making absurd loans to high-risk borrowers -- demanding, for example, that the banks accept unemployment benefits as collateral. Then Fannie repackaged the bad loans as "prime mortgages" and sold them to banks, thus poisoning the entire financial market with hidden bad loans.

Believe it or not, the loans went belly up, banks went under, and the Democrats used taxpayer money to bail out their friends on Wall Street.

So far, Fannie and Freddie's default on loans that should never have been made has cost the taxpayer tens of billions of dollars. Some estimates say the final cost to the taxpayer will be more than $1 trillion. To put that number in perspective, for a trillion dollars, President Obama could pass another stupid, useless stimulus package that doesn't create a single real job.

Obama's own Federal Housing Finance Agency reported recently that by 2014, Freddie and Fannie will cost taxpayers between $221 billion to $363 billion.

Over and over again, Republicans tried to rein in the politically correct policies being foisted on mortgage lenders by Fannie Mae, only to be met by a Praetorian Guard of Democrats howling that Republicans hated the poor.

In 2003, Republicans on the Senate Banking Committee wrote a bill to tighten the lending regulation of Fannie and Freddie. Every single Democrat on the committee voted against it.

In the House, Barney Frank angrily proclaimed that Fannie Mae was "just fine."

Rep. William Clay, D-Mo., accused Republicans of going on a "witch hunt" against Fannie Mae and attempting a "political lynching of Franklin Raines" (which, in a game of "bad metaphor Scrabble" would have been a double word score).

Fannie was pressuring banks to write mortgages with no money down and no proof of income. What could go wrong?

In 2004, Bush's White House Chief Economist Gregory Mankiw warned that Fannie was creating "systemic risk for our financial system." In response, Barney Frank went to a champagne brunch with his partner "just because."

Democrats saw nothing of concern in the Fannie debacle. Bad mortgages don't contain sodium, do they? They don't engage in "hate speech." And they don't emit carbon dioxide. There was nothing to catch a Democrat's eye.

In 2005, when the housing bubble burst, Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., introduced a bill allowing Fannie Mae to buy up even more schlock mortgages, apparently reasoning that if owning some toxic mortgages is bad, owning lots of them must be better!

He accused Republican opponents of his suicidal bill of being against affordable housing. (And that is a specific example of how liberals love the poor so much, they promoted policies to create millions more of them.)

As late as 2008, Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., who had received more than $133,000 in political contributions from Fannie Mae, called Fannie "fundamentally strong" and "in good shape" -- which is the kind of thing the Politburo used to say about Yuri Andropov right after he died.

(Amazingly, Dodd was only the second most embarrassing Democrat to run for president in 2008, but only because John Edwards was also running that year.)

As the titanic losses were racking up, Fannie Mae's operators, Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick, disguised the catastrophe by orchestrating a $5 billion accounting fraud -- all the while continuing to pressure banks to make absurd, politically correct loans and denouncing Republicans as enemies of the poor.

ac

Care to address the real facts????????


Steve

LWW
01-06-2011, 03:54 PM
Just because it's the truth doesn't mean it's the truth ... to a leftist.

LWW