View Full Version : Your internet ID and... the gov't???

01-08-2011, 01:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">STANFORD, Calif.--President Obama is planning to hand the U.S. Commerce Department authority over a forthcoming cybersecurity effort to create an Internet ID for Americans, a White House official said here today.
It's "the absolute perfect spot in the U.S. government" to centralize efforts toward creating an "identity ecosystem" for the Internet, White House Cybersecurity Coordinator Howard Schmidt said.

That news, first reported by CNET, effectively pushes the department to the forefront of the issue, beating out other potential candidates, including the National Security Agency and the Department of Homeland Security. The move also is likely to please privacy and civil-liberties groups that have raised concerns in the past over the dual roles of police and intelligence agencies.
The announcement came at an event today at the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research, where U.S. Commerce Secretary Gary Locke and Schmidt spoke.
The Obama administration is currently drafting what it's calling the National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace, which Locke said will be released by the president in the next few months. (An early version was publicly released last summer.)
"We are not talking about a national ID card," Locke said at the Stanford event. "We are not talking about a government-controlled system. What we are talking about is enhancing online security and privacy, and reducing and perhaps even eliminating the need to memorize a dozen passwords, through creation and use of more trusted digital identities."
The Commerce Department will be setting up a national program office to work on this project, Locke said.
Details about the "trusted identity" project are remarkably scarce. Last year's announcement referenced a possible forthcoming smart card or digital certificate that would prove that online users are who they say they are. These digital IDs would be offered to consumers by online vendors for financial transactions.
Schmidt stressed today that anonymity and pseudonymity will remain possible on the Internet. "I don't have to get a credential, if I don't want to," he said. There's no chance that "a centralized database will emerge," and "we need the private sector to lead the implementation of this," he said.
Jim Dempsey of the Center for Democracy and Technology, who spoke later at the event, said any Internet ID must be created by the private sector--and also voluntary and competitive.
"The government cannot create that identity infrastructure," Dempsey said. "If it tried to, it wouldn't be trusted."
Inter-agency rivalries to claim authority over cybersecurity have existed ever since many responsibilities were centralized in the Department of Homeland Security as part of its creation nine years ago. Three years ago, proposals were circulating in Washington to transfer authority to the secretive NSA, which is part of the U.S. Defense Department.
In March 2009, Rod Beckström, director of Homeland Security's National Cybersecurity Center, resigned through a letter that gave a rare public glimpse into the competition for budgetary dollars and cybersecurity authority. Beckstrom said at the time that the NSA "effectively controls DHS cyberefforts through detailees, technology insertions," and has proposed moving some functions to the agency's Fort Meade, Md., headquarters.
One of the NSA's missions is, of course, information assurance. But its normally lustrous star in the political firmament has dimmed a bit due to Wikileaks-related revelations.
Bradley Manning, the U.S. Army private who is accused of liberating hundreds of thousands of confidential government documents from military networks and sending them to Wikileaks, apparently joked about the NSA's incompetence in an online chat last spring.
"I even asked the NSA guy if he could find any suspicious activity coming out of local networks," Manning reportedly said in a chat transcript provided by ex-hacker Adrian Lamo. "He shrugged and said, 'It's not a priority.'"



Ummm.... no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. And... NO!

My favorite quote: "There's no chance that "a centralized database will emerge'". OK, Mr. Schmidt, there's no way you can be right for your job (White House Cybersecurity Coordinator) AND make that sort of comment.

I'll say this, I'd be licking my chops were I an evil doer on the internet still these days. Only one centralized online ID to have to breach in order to assume an identity on the net? That woulda made my workload a lot easier back in the day!

Just think if such a system were already in place. Someone like Assange would not only have gov't by the balls, but individual citizens as well.

Don't get me wrong, the idea behind it is well intentioned (if we take the intentions stated at face value anyway), but in practice it would likely have opposite results.

To put it into perspective, we had a discussion earlier about privacy and security issues with RFID. That alone was pretty scary. But RFID at least has a very limited range. Imagine taking those same concerns, but with an unlimited range worldwide. That's what we're talking about doing to ourselves.


01-08-2011, 02:39 PM
A new ID for them to track and collect taxes on.


01-08-2011, 04:35 PM
A new ID to track anything. Would also be a pretty easy end around agencies needing to go through protocol of showing cause and obtaining subpoenas to get ID's through the ISPs.

I'll bet five bucks that when privacy issues arise at some point they will raise a panic and "sell" this a means to track online predators, also. That way those who are against it can be painted as "pro child molesting" or something.


01-08-2011, 04:59 PM
OMG do you know what this means for elections?
National internet ID. Log on to vote.

The dead, Illegals, minorities and woman will be unfairly impacted.

I know its not in there but it could be. And soon.

01-09-2011, 12:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OMG do you know what this means for elections?
National internet ID. Log on to vote.

The dead, Illegals, minorities and woman will be unfairly impacted.

I know its not in there but it could be. And soon.


True, but we could do some form of that through the SSA as is. Or drivers license/state issued IDs. Or any other government issued identifier we already have. No need for the gov't to give me an internet ID to accomplish those things.


01-09-2011, 03:33 PM
All pipple shood hav a number -- a number uzed for everything -- all the time.
Plus fingerprint info etc -- plus a tattoo ID.
Computers and phones and toilet entrys etc shood hav FP rekognition and praps face recognition.

I think that the tattoo shood be anything u like -- eg a heart with "i (love) mum", or anything u like -- adds a cute taste to the whole ID thing i think.
On the other hand (pun intended) praps an ID number would be best -- that way u kood tattoo babys at birth.

Plus car recognition at major points and other points.
Hmmmmm -- body implants.
All pipple kood hav an implant that can be detekted -- wouldnt work if sitting in most cars but -- but its the thort that counts.

But it will all never happen. Too bad.
Or it will happen, but not in our lifetime -- too bad -- praps one day, when we are all Green Athiest Fascists (like me).

01-09-2011, 09:12 PM
..........and he is a socialist?

I am like 2 zillion % against it.


01-13-2011, 08:28 PM
More redundancy and more bureaucracy.