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KalboKev
01-18-2011, 06:18 AM
Is it "ever" acceptable? I say an emphatic NO.
It doesn't matter what the quality the table is. It's an unwritten rule, it's disrespectful on many levels. Any player worth his/her salt wouldn't consider doing it--in my humble opinion.
Yet I see it "EVERY" day here in the Philippines. Arguably the most pool rabid nation in the world, It doesn't compute??? I won't even play someone I see smoking at the table.
"What man, you ain't any more respect for the game and equipment than that?"
It rubs my ass the wrong way.

pooltchr
01-18-2011, 08:07 AM
It's hardly an issue in the states. Most of the country has some kind of laws banning smoking in many pool rooms. And my experience prior to the laws being passed, most room owners would quickly say something to the offenders, if one of the other players didn't beat them to it.
Steve

KalboKev
01-18-2011, 08:22 AM
I understand, I'm an American. I'm not in the USA. That's why I find it so frustrating to see it so prevalent in this pool crazy nation. Again, any player worth his salt wouldn't do it, It doesn't seem to cross cultural lines?

I watched and played "Bata" in Puerta Galera this past weekend. He's a professional and well aware of decorum. The average Pinoy hasn't a clue, and it saddens me.

Bambu
01-18-2011, 11:30 AM
Cultural lines? Its simple. If the guy who owns the place decided smoking is ok, I smoke. It should all be up to the owner, not the government.

Rich R.
01-18-2011, 01:21 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bambu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cultural lines? Its simple. If the guy who owns the place decided smoking is ok, I smoke. It should all be up to the owner, not the government. </div></div>
So, if the guy who owned the place decided it was ok for me to break a pool stick over your head, I guess it would be alright with you. After all, it is only the government that says I can't do that. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif

Sid_Vicious
01-18-2011, 02:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bambu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cultural lines? Its simple. If the guy who owns the place decided smoking is ok, I smoke. It should all be up to the owner, not the government. </div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bambu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cultural lines? Its simple. If the guy who owns the place decided smoking is ok, I smoke. It should all be up to the owner, not the government. </div></div>

A-FN-MEN! If the door has a sign, "This is a smoking establishment", then it's the anti-smoker's choice to enter. Simply business. It's a socialist move to blanket an owners rights like it's being done.

As far as smoking at the table, NOW that the owner's fault for allowing that to be let go. Yet it is STILL his house, his rules. It should be anyway, 'cept Big Brother has to step in on free American enterprise. sid

Bambu
01-18-2011, 04:02 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rich R.</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bambu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cultural lines? Its simple. If the guy who owns the place decided smoking is ok, I smoke. It should all be up to the owner, not the government. </div></div>
So, if the guy who owned the place decided it was ok for me to break a pool stick over your head, I guess it would be alright with you. After all, it is only the government that says I can't do that. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif</div></div>

If it was a rowdy kind of place where you knew you might get bashed in the head because the owner didnt care(but You chose to go anyway) then yeah.

If I go to a concert and decide to walk into the middle of a mosh pit, I dont sue if I get hurt. No I dont mosh, just sayin.

The govt encourages our children(18 year olds who dont know any better), to sign up for war and die on foreign soil. But they will "protect" the rest of us from second hand smoke. All it is, is another way of taxing us, and taking away more of our rights. In NYC they are starting to ticket us for not registering our bicycles. Whats next, no red meat?

To take away the rights of owners who allowed smoking is well, downright unfair. If anytyhing, they could have continued to let current owners do as they wish....and put the restrictions on future business licenses. That way, everybody would be happy. Some owners would allow it, others would not.

KalboKev
01-18-2011, 04:26 PM
You guys just don't get it. I'm a former smoker, I understand and am not trying to curtail smokers rights. Even here in the Philippines every place I go to it's not okay to smoke at the table or drink refreshments in the near vicinity of. But, if the "owner" isn't there to enforce it. The "employees" slip back into there natural tendencies. Which means "don't give a shit". The Philippines is my adopted country, it frustrates me to no end.
It does seem to be a cultural thing. These club owners are foreigners, and the employees Pinoy. Even "B" grade professionals here will smoke at the table if no one tells them not to. You don't see that in the USA do you?

KellyStick
01-18-2011, 06:14 PM
Why get bent outa shape at a pool hall. You have no control accept where the rules are clear about not doing it. Then you inform folks. Whether you play a guy smoking or not it sounds pretty clear that smokers will follow while you are not around. At my house tho, there is swift action and zero tolerance once you have been told.

Bambu
01-18-2011, 07:30 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KalboKev</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You guys just don't get it. I'm a former smoker, I understand and am not trying to curtail smokers rights. Even here in the Philippines every place I go to it's not okay to smoke at the table or drink refreshments in the near vicinity of. But, if the "owner" isn't there to enforce it. The "employees" slip back into there natural tendencies. Which means "don't give a shit". The Philippines is my adopted country, it frustrates me to no end.
It does seem to be a cultural thing. These club owners are foreigners, and the employees Pinoy. Even "B" grade professionals here will smoke at the table if no one tells them not to. You don't see that in the USA do you?</div></div>

I cant speak for everyone, but yes. I wouldnt be the first one to light up in a new place. But if others are doing it, so will I. You go to florida, everyone smokes in the pool rooms down there. Why? Because they are allowed. Here in NY we dont, but if the manager said it was ok we would. We would not ask him if he owned the place, we would just be happy to be allowed to smoke. If the law says no smoking but the owner allows it anyway, the law is probably not enforced, or lightly enforced.

Btw if I dont like it that you are wearing too much Old Spice, do I have a right to complain? I mean, its our air, right?

Soflasnapper
01-18-2011, 11:53 PM
Back in the day, when I played only occasionally (and badly) at mainly bar tables, it was common practice, and I followed suit, to put the lit cigarette on the edge of the rail while shooting.

Is that what you're talking about? Or dangling a lit cigarette in the lips over the table?

The first practice led to many cigarette burns on the rails. The second led to ashes being dropped on the table, and sometimes lit ashes that burned the cloth.

I've since understood that neither practice is acceptable, and even the smoking-allowed places I play now in Florida will quickly crack down on any offenders. (Although in bars, I think you'll still find both practices in play.)

Sid_Vicious
01-19-2011, 09:25 AM
I visited a local Korean billiards(3C) hall here in Dallas many years ago,,,me and my caucasian friend were the only caucasians there, but the place was full. We had other patrons wander over, and literally put there elbows on the rails while watching us play. As far as cigarettes...the rails were ungodly dotted with big rats of burns, plus the carpet was massively streaked with cig burns. IMO, it it cultural for the most part. It bugs me when you see TV or a movie and players set a drink on the table, both on the rail AND on the surface. I still see that sometimes in real life, and it makes me cringe, just like it does when people sit on the rails. What can you do though? sid

KalboKev
01-20-2011, 08:16 AM
I know, I often times ask folks to step aside from the table while I shoot, and they look at me like I'm crazy??? Shit, I don't even want a piece of chalk in my field of view. On the other hand, I can wander into any pool hall, anywhere and am assured of a quality game. There are guys and gals here in every barangay that can play. Natural dexterity it seems? national sport, lots of tables, no job, plenty of time to pracice, you only get better.
Ask most non-Pinoy Pro's where they want to win a championship other than home? The P.I. would most likely be at the top. Appleton, Peach, Immonen, Souquet, etc... Mikka is quite fond of AC, Efren's hometown. After Manny Pacquiao, Pro pool players are top of the food chain here in the P.I.--rock stars. Yet the locales will thrash a table given the chance. It doesn't make sense?

Soflasnapper
01-20-2011, 11:12 AM
We have many Latino cultures represented down here (Mexican, Guatamelan, Honduran, etc.), and they all crowd the table, get right in the shooter's sightline, pick up and return a chalk right in front of the shooter who's already practice-stroking, etc., all before they begin to try to shark you! You'd take an Anglo doing that to be a real jerk, but it's cultural and how they roll when playing pool.

Fran Crimi
01-20-2011, 02:41 PM
<span style="color: #000099">...Is it "ever" acceptable? I say an emphatic NO....</span>

I agree with you. It's unacceptable. However, I remember a time when the bar was so much lower in the U.S. where it was very acceptable here. I'm glad we've evolved from that.

Unfortunately, the Philippines have not yet evolved to to that line of thinking. I think it's just a matter of time before they do, but probably not for some time. Players like Efren and other superstars in their billiard community can help by setting a good example and asking them to respect each other and the equipment.

01-20-2011, 05:04 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fran Crimi</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #000099">...Is it "ever" acceptable? I say an emphatic NO....</span>

I agree with you. It's unacceptable. However, I remember a time when the bar was so much lower in the U.S. where it was very acceptable here. I'm glad we've evolved from that.

Unfortunately, the Philippines have not yet evolved to to that line of thinking. I think it's just a matter of time before they do, but probably not for some time. Players like Efren and other superstars in their billiard community can help by setting a good example and asking them to respect each other and the equipment. </div></div>

Oh how quick we forget the Brunswick GC I...complete with ashtrays built into the pocket irons /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif


Eric

Rich R.
01-20-2011, 05:23 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We have many Latino cultures represented down here (Mexican, Guatamelan, Honduran, etc.), and they all crowd the table, get right in the shooter's sightline, pick up and return a chalk right in front of the shooter who's already practice-stroking, etc., all before they begin to try to shark you! You'd take an Anglo doing that to be a real jerk, but it's cultural and how they roll when playing pool. </div></div>
Playing in those conditions has to train you to concentrate much better.

Fran Crimi
01-20-2011, 05:31 PM
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Eric

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif Yep. Everyone was dropping ashes and butts on the floor, too. Carpets didn't show up in PRs for many years, I'm thinking till after the 'Color of Money'.

Soflasnapper
01-20-2011, 07:14 PM
The absolute worse thing I saw were people of that general ethnicity spitting tobacco juice from their chaws of dipped snuff onto the carpet.

EWWW!

Soflasnapper
01-20-2011, 07:19 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fran Crimi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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Eric </div></div>

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif Yep. Everyone was dropping ashes and butts on the floor, too. Carpets didn't show up in PRs for many years, I'm thinking till after the 'Color of Money'.

Quite so. When I was around that GC I, people STILL put their lit cigarettes on the rails even with the corner ashtrays available.

Chopstick
01-20-2011, 10:12 PM
This may take you guys back a few years, but Gold Crowns used to have ash trays built into the corners. But, if you dropped ashes on the table, you might just get your a$$ kicked by everyone in the house. That's how it used to be.

esb77
02-01-2011, 02:49 PM
I used to do this all the time at the tables in the college bars down in Statesboro. I was a banger playing for drinks and getting WASTED... Through the haze and fog I can remember playing on Valley bar boxes and putting my cigarette (cherry-out) up against the metal corner, on the wood. Everybody did it & nobody complained. There were usually a series of cig burns on the rails as a result.

Anyway, one drunken night I leaned up on the table with my knuckles on the rail, and damned if I didn't extinguish someone's cigarette with the outside part of my right ring finger, just below the knuckle. Even in my state of intoxication, burns really hurt & I had a bubble on my finger for weeks and still have a scar. I never put MY cigarette on a rail again, or for that matter, get anywhere near the felt with one.

Bad things happen.

KalboKev
02-12-2011, 07:09 AM
Case in point, went by a 9 ball tourney tonight with "A" class Pro's from here, Angeles City, and Manila playing on Star billiards table's, both with FRESH Simonis cloth. They had to be "reminded" not to smoke over the table. Bull Shit!

LWW
02-13-2011, 06:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bambu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cultural lines? Its simple. If the guy who owns the place decided smoking is ok, I smoke. It should all be up to the owner, not the government. </div></div>

Excellent post.

LWW

Rich R.
02-14-2011, 07:26 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bambu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cultural lines? Its simple. If the guy who owns the place decided smoking is ok, I smoke. It should all be up to the owner, not the government. </div></div>

Excellent post.

LWW </div></div>
I don't agree.
Just because the owner has no respect for his own equipment or the game itself, doesn't mean you should abuse the equipment. You should treat the equipment with respect and take your smoking outside. This is a simple matter of respect and it has nothing to do with politics.

bobroberts
02-14-2011, 02:29 PM
The Phillipines are still considered a third world nation.
We have realized that smoking is bad for you. Everyone in the state's know it will give you Cancer Emphysema and a number of other sicknesses. Eventually they will get educated and smoking will become a thing of the past. Either play under those conditions or don't. it's up to you.