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Qtec
01-23-2011, 06:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to an analysis by Citizens for Tax Justice, the Roadmap would raise taxes on 90 percent of Americans, while dramatically lowering them for millionaires. In fact, a new analysis from the Economic Policy Institute found that Ryan’s plan would ultimately translate into middle-class tax rates being higher than those for millionaires:

– The Roadmap would lead to the wealthiest Americans paying a lower average tax rate than most Americans. Eliminating taxes on capital gains, dividends, and interest, as the Roadmap proposes, would overwhelmingly help taxpayers at the top of the income distribution, who receive most or all of their income from capital. For example, Wall Street financiers could shelter all of their income as tax-free stock options or carried interest.

– Middle-class families earning between $50,000 and $75,000 a year would see their average tax rate jump to 19.1% (from 17.7%) under this plan—an increase of $900 on average [...]

– Millionaires would see their average tax rate drop to 12.8%, less than half of what they would pay relative to current policy </div></div>

What a surprise!

link (http://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/21/ryan-rates/)

Q

LWW
01-23-2011, 07:01 AM
Where's a link to the actual report.

Spoon fed nonsense from "THINK PROGRESS" doesn't impress me.

LWW

Sev
01-23-2011, 10:34 AM
The "Fair Tax" is the solution.

Gayle in MD
01-24-2011, 04:25 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to an analysis by Citizens for Tax Justice, the Roadmap would raise taxes on 90 percent of Americans, while dramatically lowering them for millionaires. In fact, a new analysis from the Economic Policy Institute found that Ryan’s plan would ultimately translate into middle-class tax rates being higher than those for millionaires:

– The Roadmap would lead to the wealthiest Americans paying a lower average tax rate than most Americans. Eliminating taxes on capital gains, dividends, and interest, as the Roadmap proposes, would overwhelmingly help taxpayers at the top of the income distribution, who receive most or all of their income from capital. For example, Wall Street financiers could shelter all of their income as tax-free stock options or carried interest.

– Middle-class families earning between $50,000 and $75,000 a year would see their average tax rate jump to 19.1% (from 17.7%) under this plan—an increase of $900 on average [...]

– Millionaires would see their average tax rate drop to 12.8%, less than half of what they would pay relative to current policy </div></div>

What a surprise!

link (http://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/21/ryan-rates/)

Q </div></div>

Exactly as we knew would happen, all along.

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Sev
01-24-2011, 05:51 PM
What till they cap spending back to 2007 levels. That will really make you pucker.

LWW
01-25-2011, 03:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where's a link to the actual report.

Spoon fed nonsense from "THINK PROGRESS" doesn't impress me.

LWW </div></div>

I guess it's with Obama's BC.

LWW

Qtec
01-25-2011, 03:45 AM
link (http://ctj.org/pdf/ryanplan2010.pdf)

link (http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/03/09/ryan-budget-ctj/)


Q

LWW
01-25-2011, 04:12 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> link (http://ctj.org/pdf/ryanplan2010.pdf)

link (http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/03/09/ryan-budget-ctj/)


Q
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Oh that's just precious.

Did you actually read it? Of course you didn't.

If you had, you would know that they had to make 18 disclaimers to make their convoluted "PREDICTIONS" stand up ... and that's just from <u><span style='font-size: 11pt'>YOUR</span></u> first link.

LWW

LWW
01-25-2011, 04:15 AM
The second is merely TP tripe again.

LWW

LWW
01-25-2011, 04:19 AM
For anyone with a hint of intellectual integrity, HERE (http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/UploadedFiles/Roadmap2Final2.pdf) is the actual report.

I'm not evangelizing for this plan as I haven't read it, but a quick skim over presents a much different picture than the Think Progress drive by that Q posted.

As soon as I read the OP, being the trained in Alinsky tactics person that I am, I recognized immediately that this was so over the top that it had to terrify the left down to their collectivist toes.

LWW

Qtec
01-25-2011, 04:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For anyone with a hint of intellectual integrity, HERE (http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/UploadedFiles/Roadmap2Final2.pdf) is the actual report. <span style="color: #CC0000"> I already posted it. <span style="color: #990000">HERE it is Einstein. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Its in the post this post is linking to!!!!!</span> You didn't even bother to click on it.</span> (http://billiardsdigest.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=333729#Post333729) </span>

I'm not evangelizing for this plan as I haven't read it,<span style="color: #990000"> I have and its a mishmash of ideas that have been rejected or disproved.</span> but a quick skim over presents a much different picture than the Think Progress drive by that Q posted.

As soon as I read the OP, being the trained in Alinsky tactics person that I am, I recognized immediately that this was so over the top that it had to terrify the left down to their collectivist toes.

LWW </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This shift in tax burden not only would force the middle- and lower-classes to pony up far more than the rich, but it would also result in the government collecting $2 trillion less over a decade than it otherwise would have. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>“It’s difficult to design a tax plan that will lose $2 trillion over a decade even while requiring 90 percent of taxpayers to pay more. But Congressman Ryan has met that daunting challenge,” CTJ wrote.

We’re already in an era in which the difference in tax burden between the wealthy and the middle class is smaller than at any time in history. Plus, as recently released IRS data shows, at the peak of the last economic cycle (2007) incomes for the top 400 households were at a record high while the taxes that they paid fell to a record low.</span> (Of course, we would have known this earlier <u>if the Bush administration hadn’t blocked access to the data </u>on the top 400 taxpayers, which Obama once again opened up.) Ryan’s plan would exacerbate these trends.

To his credit, Ryan does try to grapple with long-term deficits (unlike most Republicans) and the Roadmap is a terrifyingly honest assessment of conservative priorities. But to take an already inequitable system and shift the burden further down is completely unacceptable, and it shows what passes for “fabulous” and “bold” in conservatives circles. </div></div>

Q

LWW
01-25-2011, 04:50 AM
I've got it ... you prefer to have a party agitprop explain to you what you "BELIEVE" about the report as opposed to actually reading the report.

Sad, very sad.

LWW