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LWW
01-26-2011, 01:38 PM
The man witout a country? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvrb7YqdvxE)

LWW

pooltchr
01-26-2011, 02:53 PM
More questions without answers.

Steve

Soflasnapper
01-26-2011, 03:29 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The man witout a country? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvrb7YqdvxE)

LWW </div></div>

Sure, because you can't get more OFFICIAL than an entertainment reporter relaying hearsay?

My understanding is that the newspapers did not accept 'vanity' pronouncements of birth from private parties, but instead took them directly from vital records from the hospitals. If so, the birth announcements in the two Honolulu newspapers are inexplicable except in the case that he was born there as they said.

You know, for the OTHER candidate, the one who OFFICIALLY, actually, and truly was not born in the US (to no ones dispute), that guy didn't make his birth certificate public, either. (Evidently he showed it to a couple of people who were not allowed to copy it.)

What I've heard about McCain is that he was born in a hospital down the road, outside of the legally demised Panama Canal Zone area, and therefore it is HE who was not actually eligible. By this theory, the furor over Obama's situation is a Rovian tactic to misdirect from the problems with McCain.

One last point. I've heard some disputes whether Obama Sr. was indeed Obama's biological father, or was it Frank Marshall? However, nobody disputes his mother as his biological mother.

So, just asking, isn't it the case that if Obama were born outside the country (in Kenya), his MOTHER should be provably IN KENYA AT THAT TIME? (And cannot be?)

Gayle in MD
01-26-2011, 03:57 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The man witout a country? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvrb7YqdvxE)

LWW </div></div>

Sure, because you can't get more OFFICIAL than an entertainment reporter relaying hearsay?

My understanding is that the newspapers did not accept 'vanity' pronouncements of birth from private parties, but instead took them directly from vital records from the hospitals. If so, the birth announcements in the two Honolulu newspapers are inexplicable except in the case that he was born there as they said.

You know, for the OTHER candidate, the one who OFFICIALLY, actually, and truly was not born in the US (to no ones dispute), that guy didn't make his birth certificate public, either. (Evidently he showed it to a couple of people who were not allowed to copy it.)

What I've heard about McCain is that he was born in a hospital down the road, outside of the legally demised Panama Canal Zone area, and therefore it is HE who was not actually eligible. By this theory, the furor over Obama's situation is a Rovian tactic to misdirect from the problems with McCain.

One last point. I've heard some disputes whether Obama Sr. was indeed Obama's biological father, or was it Frank Marshall? However, nobody disputes his mother as his biological mother.

So, just asking, isn't it the case that if Obama were born outside the country (in Kenya), his MOTHER should be provably IN KENYA AT THAT TIME? (And cannot be?) </div></div>

Can you imagine anyone launching a thread like this one, when this has been debunked, over and over again.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Sheesh!

Soflasnapper
01-26-2011, 04:05 PM
Gayle, to be fair, if this is so, it is news.

What it would appear to mean is that either the Hawaiian officials who stated they had seen the original long form, and it matched the details of the short form, were lying, or that in the meantime, the long form has been deep-sixed.

If the former, there's the question of who and how the short form was generated. If the latter, of course it is suspicious, but NOT likely evidence that the long form wouldn't prove his birth in Hawaii. (They'd be unlikely to possess a long form for someone not born there, as it would have been generated and kept wherever else he was born.)

LWW
01-26-2011, 05:54 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My understanding is that the newspapers did not accept 'vanity' pronouncements of birth from private parties, but instead took them directly from vital records from the hospitals. </div></div>

The problem is that your "understanding" was spoon fed to you by the party.

And, not that this will influence an O-cultist, NO ... make that ZERO ... or NONE ... or NEIN ... or ANY hospital says they have ANY records of Obama or his momma ever being in any hospital as a patient or being born there at any time.

Next deflection?

LWW

Gayle in MD
01-27-2011, 10:59 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gayle, to be fair, <span style='font-size: 11pt'>if this is so,</span> it is news.

What <span style='font-size: 14pt'>it would appear </span>to mean is that either the Hawaiian officials who stated they had seen the original long form, and it matched the details of the short form, were lying, or that in the meantime, the long form has been deep-sixed.

If the former, there's the question of who and how the short form was generated. If the latter, of course it is suspicious, but NOT likely evidence that the long form wouldn't prove his birth in Hawaii. (They'd be unlikely to possess a long form for someone not born there, as it would have been generated and kept wherever else he was born.) </div></div>



Here is the latest on this ridiculous RW fantasy.

No Trial for Obama
January 25, 2010



Q: Is federal judge David O. Carter starting a trial on Jan. 26 to determine whether Obama is qualified to be president?

A: No. This is yet another bogus claim circulated by persons who cling to a belief that Obama was not born in the U.S.A. The judge threw the case out of court back in October.


FULL QUESTION

Is this true?

Court date Jan 26, 2010—-Obama
Nutty Right
I ask that you pray for this Judge. I also ask that you storm Heaven, and ask God to allow the truth to come into the light. Get as many people as you can to pray for this to be resolved….HONESTLY….without bribes.
Please Pray For Him

Federal Judge Carter sets Trial Date for Obama’s Eligibility!

The expedited trial has been set for Jan. 26, 2010

⬐ Click to expand/collapse the full text ⬏

Many concerned veterans and citizens attended the hearing in Federal Court in Santa Ana in the lawsuit against Barack Obama to determine his eligibility to be President and Commander in Chief. About 150 people showed up, almost all in support of the lawsuit to demand that Obama release his birth certificate and other records that he has hidden from the American people..

Judge David Carter refused to hear Obama’s request for dismissal. He indicated there was almost no chance that this case would be dismissed. Obama is arguing this lawsuit was filed in the wrong court if you can believe that. Obama would prefer a "kangaroo court" instead of a Federal court! Assuming Judge Carter denies Obama’s motion for dismissal, he will likely then order expedited discovery which will force Obama to release his birth certificate in a timely manner.

The judge, WHO IS A FORMER U.S. MARINE, repeated several times that this is A VERY SERIOUS CASE which must be resolved quickly so that the troops know that their Commander in Chief is eligible to hold that position and issue lawful orders to our military in this time of war. He basically said OBAMA MUST PROVE HIS ELIGIBILITY to the court! He said Americans deserve to know the truth about their President!

The two U.S. Attorneys representing Barack Obama tried everything they could to sway the judge that this case was frivolous, but Carter would have none of it and cut them off several times. Obama’s attorneys left the courtroom after about the 90 minut e hearing looking defeated and nervous.

Great day in America for the U.S. Constitution! The truth about Barack Obama’s eligibility will be known fairly soon - Judge Carter practically guaranteed it!

Video from the press conference after the hearing coming soon. Congratulations to plaintiffs attorney Dr. Orly Taitz! She did a great job and won some huge victories. She was fearless!

This needs to be forwarded to everyone you know….



FULL ANSWER

The lawsuit in question here was filed hours after Barack Obama took the oath of office on Jan. 20, 2009, and it raises groundless claims made in dozens of similar lawsuits, all but a few of which have been dismissed. It claimed that evidence exists to show Obama was born in Kenya, among other things. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>In fact, Obama long ago produced a valid birth certificate issued by the state of Hawaii, and state officials have said the state’s "original vital records" show Obama was born in Hawaii and is "a natural-born American citizen."</span>

This particular e-mail once had a tiny shred of truth to it. At one point Judge David O. Carter had indeed blocked out a tentative trial date for this case, briefly encouraging the Obama birth deniers. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>But that was as a procedural matter only, and it was never likely that any trial would be held. To reach a trial the case had to survive a motion to dismiss it, which no previous lawsuit by Obama birth deniers had done.

This one didn’t either. Judge Carter not only dismissed the case, but he ended his Oct. 29 opinion with a denunciation of the arguments and claims made by the anti-Obama attorneys:

Judge David O. Carter, Oct. 29, 2009: Plaintiffs have encouraged the Court to ignore … mandates of the Constitution; to disregard the limits on its power put in place by the Constitution; and to effectively overthrow a sitting president who was popularly elected by “We the People”–over sixty-nine million of the people. Plaintiffs have attacked the judiciary, including every prior court that has dismissed their claim, as unpatriotic and even treasonous for refusing to grant their requests and for adhering to the terms of the Constitution which set forth its jurisdiction. Respecting the constitutional role and jurisdiction of this Court is not unpatriotic. Quite the contrary, this Court considers commitment to that constitutional role to be the ultimate reflection of patriotism.

Therefore, for the reasons stated above, Defendants’ Motion to Dismiss is GRANTED.</span>

Up until that time, Obama deniers took hope from the fact that Judge Carter had listened patiently and had even blocked out time for a trial should the case ever get that far. But the judge also made clear in his remarks from the bench that he was skeptical that any court had the authority to remove a sitting president from office as the plaintiffs sought, since the Constitution gives the Senate the "sole power to try impeachements." And eventually, that’s the reason he gave for tossing out the case:

Judge David O. Carter, Oct. 29, 2009: There may very well be a legitimate role for the judiciary to interpret whether the natural born citizen requirement has been satisfied in the case of a presidential candidate who has not already won the election and taken office. However, on the day that President Obama took the presidential oath and was sworn in, he became President of the United States. Any removal of him from the presidency must be accomplished through the Constitution’s mechanisms for the removal of a President, either through impeachment or the succession process set forth in the Twenty-Fifth Amendment.

The Obama deniers aren’t giving up, of course. They continue to seek an appeal of Judge Carter’s dismissal. But unless they succeed in that there will be no trial.

Footnote: Judge Carter was less harsh in his opinion than another federal judge who threw out a similar lawsuit brought by the same attorney, Orly Taitz, in Georgia. Judge Clay D. Land issued a ruling declaring the suit before him to be "frivolous." He also said it "has no merit." And he later fined Taitz $20,000 for wasting the court’s time. He said:

Judge Clay D. Land, Oct. 13, 2009: When a lawyer files complaints and motions without a reasonable basis for believing that they are supported by existing law or a modification or extension of existing law, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law. When a lawyer uses the courts as a platform for a political agenda disconnected from any legitimate legal cause of action, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law.

Taitz is appealing the fine.

For the record, Judge Land was nominated by President George W. Bush, while Judge Carter was nominated by President Bill Clinton.


–Brooks JacksonSources
Barnett v. Obama. CASE NO. SACV 09-0082 DOC (ANx). United States District Court for the Central District of California. 29 Oct 2009.

Rhodes v. MacDonald. CASE NO. 4:09-CV-106 (CDL). United States District Court for the Middle District of Georgia. 16 Sep 2009.

Rhodes v. MacDonald. CASE NO. 4:09-CV-106 (CDL). United States District Court for the Middle District of Georgia. 13 Oct 2009.

Posted by Brooks Jackson on Monday, January 25, 2010 at 7:07 pm
Filed under Ask FactCheck · Tagged with Barack Obama, birth certificate, chain e-mail, Orly Taitz



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You can click on the photos to get full-size versions, which haven’t been edited in any way, except that some have been rotated 90 degrees for viewing purposes.

The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents’ hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health’s birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.

The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.

We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that’s when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn’t release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama’s citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: "[We] couldn’t get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we’ve found out it’s pretty irrelevant for the outside world." The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641.





We think our colleagues at PolitiFact.com, who also dug into some of these loopy theories put it pretty well: "It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over."

In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:



Obama’s birth announcement

(see at link)

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Of course, it’s distantly possible that Obama’s grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that <span style='font-size: 17pt'>those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.</span></span>
</div></div>
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/


<span style="color: #990000">Sorry, I don't agree. Nothing can change what has already be proven. To be FAIR, this has been debunked over and over, and IMO, it's ridiculus, at this point, for anyone to continue to slander te President, with an outrageous and completely illogical, absurd conspiracy.

Not one, but two, respected fact check sites, have debunked it.

It's just more RW desperation, and their typical response to losing a presidential election, delegitimizing, in their inability to grasp the FACT, that they do not <span style='font-size: 14pt'>own</span> the country, and cannot <span style='font-size: 14pt'>throw</span> EVERY election.



Digital photos included at links...

G. </span>
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/no-trial-for-obama/

LWW
01-27-2011, 11:11 AM
The only things that have actually been proven are that:

1 - Barack Hussein Obama Junior has as of today not presented a valid BC.

2 - The state of Hawaii cannot find it either.

3 - The far left will gladly accept whatever story the regime tells them.

LWW

JohnnyD
01-27-2011, 04:22 PM
One must search in kenya for said records.

Qtec
01-27-2011, 08:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Celebrity Journalist: I Never Spoke to Hawaii Gov About Obama Birth Certificate

By Jana Winter

Published January 26, 2011

| FoxNews.com


A celebrity journalist now claims he misspoke when he said last week that Hawaii’s governor told him he was unable to find President Barack Obama’s original birth certificate after a search of state and hospital archives.

Mike Evans told FoxNews.com on Wednesday he was remorseful and embarrassed that he appeared to have given the impression that he had discussed the search for Obama’s birth certificate with Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie.

Evans, who says he has been a close friend of Abercrombie since the 1980s, appeared on Minnesota’s KQRS radio last week and said he’d been told by the governor himself that Obama’s birth certificate was nowhere to be found. Evans told KQRS on Jan. 20:

"Yesterday, talking to Neil's office, Neil says that he searched everywhere using his powers as governor ..... there is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii. Absolutely no proof at all that he was born in Hawaii."

But that’s no longer Evans’ story.

“Only this I can you tell you is 100 percent fact: that Neil never told me there was no birth certificate,” Evans told Fox News. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>“I never talked to him.”</span>

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/.../#ixzz1CIDhWWkP (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/26/celebrity-journalist-says-he-never-talked-hawaii-governor-obama-birth/#ixzz1CIDhWWkP)



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Q

Soflasnapper
01-27-2011, 10:45 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only things that have actually been proven are that:

1 - Barack Hussein Obama Junior has as of today not presented a valid BC.

2 - The state of Hawaii cannot find it either.

3 - The far left will gladly accept whatever story the regime tells them.

LWW </div></div>

Let me borrow that old debate style chestnut from LWW hisself:

YOU LIE!!!

Which I mean literally.

None of these are true.

The short form bc is valid, or nobody in Hawaii ever gets a valid bc. EVERYBODY born there gets that one when they ask for a bc, and it is wholly valid for all legal purposes (or else no Hawaiian can get a passport, etc.).

The state of Hawaii SAYS they found it (by it, I mean the long form bc), through their officials in charge of vital records, who said they VERIFIED that the short form was identical in the data it contains to the long form. If the new governor cannot find it, he should ask those state officials about its whereabouts.

Lastly, and it goes without saying, LWW knows no far leftists or what they think, or he couldn't possibly say the far left are Obama acolytes. Heck, REGULAR LIBERAL Democrats, who are NOT the far left, critique Obama as a Wall Street sellout. The far left are much more critical than that.

LWW hits the trifecta for lying, which is common, unless he posts something with more than 3 items.

Stretch
01-28-2011, 12:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only things that have actually been proven are that:

1 - Barack Hussein Obama Junior has as of today not presented a valid BC.

2 - The state of Hawaii cannot find it either.

3 - The far left will gladly accept whatever story the regime tells them.

LWW </div></div>

Let me borrow that old debate style chestnut from LWW hisself:

YOU LIE!!!

Which I mean literally.

None of these are true.

The short form bc is valid, or nobody in Hawaii ever gets a valid bc. EVERYBODY born there gets that one when they ask for a bc, and it is wholly valid for all legal purposes (or else no Hawaiian can get a passport, etc.).

The state of Hawaii SAYS they found it (by it, I mean the long form bc), through their officials in charge of vital records, who said they VERIFIED that the short form was identical in the data it contains to the long form. If the new governor cannot find it, he should ask those state officials about its whereabouts.

Lastly, and it goes without saying, LWW knows no far leftists or what they think, or he couldn't possibly say the far left are Obama acolytes. Heck, REGULAR LIBERAL Democrats, who are NOT the far left, critique Obama as a Wall Street sellout. The far left are much more critical than that.

LWW hits the trifecta for lying, which is common, unless he posts something with more than 3 items. </div></div>

Now you're catching on. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif St.

LWW
01-28-2011, 03:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The short form bc is valid, or nobody in Hawaii ever gets a valid bc. EVERYBODY born there gets that one when they ask for a bc, and it is wholly valid for all legal purposes (or else no Hawaiian can get a passport, etc.).</div></div>

Deceptive, and probably by design it appears.

The short form, or "CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH" is used as evidence that a person was born alive. Nobody questions this.

A long form is required for a passport, and even the state of Hawaii is on record that they don't even accept the COLB as evidence of Hawaiian birth.

Nobody has questioned that Obama was actually born.

As an added bonus ... FOIA act requests show that Obama's passport files contain bo BC at all, and Stanley Ann Dunham's passport records do not exist.

LWW

LWW
01-28-2011, 03:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The state of Hawaii SAYS they found it (by it, I mean the long form bc), through their officials in charge of vital records, who said they VERIFIED that the short form was identical in the data it contains to the long form. If the new governor cannot find it, he should ask those state officials about its whereabouts. </div></div>

Actually, they have said the opposite ... the files cannot be found. The best they can do is find a hand written entry.

LWW

LWW
01-28-2011, 03:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lastly, and it goes without saying, LWW knows no far leftists or what they think, or he couldn't possibly say the far left are Obama acolytes. Heck, REGULAR LIBERAL Democrats, who are NOT the far left, critique Obama as a Wall Street sellout. The far left are much more critical than that.</div></div>

List them.

LWW

Gayle in MD
01-28-2011, 09:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Celebrity Journalist: I Never Spoke to Hawaii Gov About Obama Birth Certificate

By Jana Winter

Published January 26, 2011

| FoxNews.com


A celebrity journalist now claims he misspoke when he said last week that Hawaii’s governor told him he was unable to find President Barack Obama’s original birth certificate after a search of state and hospital archives.

Mike Evans told FoxNews.com on Wednesday he was remorseful and embarrassed that he appeared to have given the impression that he had discussed the search for Obama’s birth certificate with Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie.

Evans, who says he has been a close friend of Abercrombie since the 1980s, appeared on Minnesota’s KQRS radio last week and said he’d been told by the governor himself that Obama’s birth certificate was nowhere to be found. Evans told KQRS on Jan. 20:

"Yesterday, talking to Neil's office, Neil says that he searched everywhere using his powers as governor ..... there is no Barack Obama birth certificate in Hawaii. Absolutely no proof at all that he was born in Hawaii."

But that’s no longer Evans’ story.

“Only this I can you tell you is 100 percent fact: that Neil never told me there was no birth certificate,” Evans told Fox News. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>“I never talked to him.”</span>

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/.../#ixzz1CIDhWWkP (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/01/26/celebrity-journalist-says-he-never-talked-hawaii-governor-obama-birth/#ixzz1CIDhWWkP)



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Q </div></div>

Facts are ignored by the sheep on here, as always. Now this latest lie, spread around by the forum jester, will still be circulating through RW e-mail, and shock jocks, like Beck, for years, and they'll continue with the lie as a way of life.

Same ol' same ol'.

The only thing they are good at doing around here, is stalking people who totally ignore their BS, and Continuing to attack another user.

Juveniles who are too uninformed to realize they're being manipulated and exploited by the likes of Beck and The Radio Lump.

Who cares what they think, oops, I mean, write? It's always all lies from one of their RW propaganda sources, shock jock nitwits posing as journalists.

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Sev
01-28-2011, 09:34 AM
I think some people were hatched.

Stretch
01-28-2011, 10:04 AM
Gayle, unfortunately a lie can travel all the way around the world before the truth even gets it's shoes on. The sheer volume of BS and disinformation perpitrated on the public is mind bogeling. It's to the point now where the average joe simply cannot make an informed desision anymore. This plays right into the hands of the overlords who play the two party system against one another to thwart needed change for the good of the public. The public it seems are just cows to be milked. St.

Gayle in MD
01-28-2011, 10:51 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gayle, unfortunately a lie can travel all the way around the world before the truth even gets it's shoes on. The sheer volume of BS and disinformation perpitrated on the public is mind bogeling. It's to the point now where the average joe simply cannot make an informed desision anymore. This plays right into the hands of the overlords who play the two party system against one another to thwart needed change for the good of the public. The public it seems are just cows to be milked. St. </div></div>

Yep, and the massive corruption, greed, and lack of empathy for our fellow Americans, does not suggest to me, that our country will ever return to the kind of country that made us strong in generations past.

Republicans have destroyed the Middle Class, pandering only to the crooks and the greedy, and no democratic society can thrive, without a strong Middle Class.

The charts prove, what has happened to our Middle Class American workers, as a result of Republican Policies, and while there have been global changes, they didn't have to destroy our industry, and had we had leaders, who were looking out for America, instead of just hoarding more money for themselves, and for their corporate cronies, in the very same industries, which have abusive and corrupted professional standards, and ruined so much of what was a thriving economy, in their own selfish interests, of taking MORE MORE MORE, and leaving more strife for Middle Class hard working Americans, in their wake.

Republican President's and Congresses over recent decades, have redistributed wealth, taking from everyone, to line the pockets of the rich, overlooking and defending their own corruption, and that of their cronies, and destroying representation for the American Worker, by going after Unions, demonizing teachers, and other hard working Americans, as such, they have only created more division among Americans.

It is sad to watch, and something I never thought I would see happening in my country. Americans, so self serving and heartless, that they approve of corrupt health insurance, corporate stadards of greed and inhumanity, such that they support medical Insurance corporations, throwing out the ill, destroying their ability to survive financially, when they have become ill. A huge contribution to the many foreclosures which originally set off the decline.

The kind of society which is being pushed by Republican policies, is not one that can possibly make America stronger, as a nation.

Eight years of warring, cutting taxes, spending, borrowing and overlooking corruption, has put us exactly where we are now, and it is disgusting, to realize, that the ignorant right, still, after undeniable corruption and incompetence, chooses to deny the reality of how we got into this mess.

We, from the left, were constantly warning them, throughout the Bush Administration, of the plight he and his appointees, were creating, for America. We were attacked for it, throughout,

Now, that our years of warnings have come to fruition, their ugly attacks, and standard methods of denial, leave me with no desire to even read their ridiculous posts.

Reasoned debate, is beyond their intellect, and these radical RW fringes, which have now overtaken the Republican Party, are now blocking everything we need to do to overturn the dsastrous legacy, of Bush, and his blank check corrupted Congress, which much to my concern, has now once again, Bulls****ed their way back into power.

The absolute worst thing that could have happened, given the mess they ALWAYS make.

But then, they depend on those among us who are unaware of the principles.

You don't cut taxes, while launching and fighting in two wars.

You don't cut spending, and investment in the midst of trying to recover from a dangerous, very deep recession.

You don't give tax cuts to the same wealthy felons, who bilked the country out of treasure, and fail to practice lawful business practices, that pollute the environement, and add to the ioll and medical costs for the ill, with their pollution.

You don't subsidize corporations which ship our jobs offshore to slave labor.

You don't apppoint political cronies, to lead agencies and departments, against which they have lobbied for decades.

You don't throw gasoline on a Real Estate Bubble, by falsely holding down interest rates in order to make the President look good, annd help your bank cronies, and Wall Street crooks, to make more bad loans.

You don't go off half cocked, launch war against a country when war can be avoided, the country is no immediate threat, and sanctions are working, particularly when their entire infrastructure, is in shambles, and inspectors are telling you point blank, no WMD!!!!

Greed, ignorance, lies and corruption were the way of the Bush White House, and their blank check Congress.

Obama inherited all of it.

G.

Soflasnapper
01-28-2011, 11:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lastly, and it goes without saying, LWW knows no far leftists or what they think, or he couldn't possibly say the far left are Obama acolytes. Heck, REGULAR LIBERAL Democrats, who are NOT the far left, critique Obama as a Wall Street sellout. The far left are much more critical than that.</div></div>

List them.

LWW </div></div>

I guess LWW doesn't remember when Robert Gibbs hit back at 'the professional left' for their bitter critiques of Obama? That the 'left' on the evening programming for MSNBC was seen as the administration's opponents, so much that he tried a rapprochement by meeting with some of them?

Here's a representative sample from Jane Hamsher's Firedoglake.com, with regard to the real left's take on Obama. It isn't pretty, but it is pretty much what they think.

From a 'featured' diary entry:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I originally posted this in a reply to the whole text of the SOTU speech. But, I kinda like it, so I’ll repost it as a diary entry.

FDLers, feel free to add your two cents. Here it goes. What Obama REALLY said:

The ruling class has a new martyr, the wounded Congresswoman, and I admire everyone here for sitting together and wearing little ribbons for her. Anyone who disparages this as having nothing to do with the actual state of the union is a putz and a barbarian.

All of the ruling class must work together to increase our profits and expand our power. I am ready to reach across the aisle to the other faction to help accomplish this.

I formally declare war on the future. It must be conquered by We the Rulers of America. We must do this by improving education for OUR kids, and blame our orchestrated dismantling of the public education system on lazy parents and greedy teachers. Charter schools rule! We must invest in clean energy by investing in clean coal, refusing to admit that that is a contradiction in terms, and giving oil companies tax breaks by investing in such clean energy as coal and nuclear while proclaiming we are eliminating their subsidies, which will make us all look really cool to the serfs, who, for some strange reason, still vote.

If you are middle class, or impoverished, or a veteran, or unemployed, you are so insignificant that you are unworthy of my notice.

Housing crisis? What housing crisis? The Important People all have nice houses, so we don’t have to talk about that.

We must drive down wages, pensions, retirements, and other loser gimmees so that when the Chinese or the Indians wake up and demand better living conditions, our corporations can come home to America and exploit the wage slaves right here!

To further that goal, we must dismantle regulations that keep businesses from being able to exploit their workers and the environment to the maximum extent possible. To do anything else would be Unamerican.

And we will tell the ignorant peasants and serfs that they are exceptional people just because they are American, and to complain about their lot makes them sound like, well, Tunisians or Egyptians or other ingrates, and therefore Unamerican. If you’re American, and just BELIEVE that you will get lucky, you will!

Yes, the rules have changed. Get over it, little people. This is Amerika! </div></div>

If you haven't heard of such criticism, you are not looking for it, and you've mistaken the mushy center-left as the far left.

LWW
01-28-2011, 11:59 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Facts are ignored by the sheep on here, as always.

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Don't you feel,better admitting it.

LWW

Soflasnapper
01-28-2011, 12:47 PM
I googled 'obama sellout' and got 248,000 results in 0.17 seconds. (You can do the same, although you'll need a speedy connection to do it so quickly!)

See any of these, even though one on the first page was a Nation piece trying to COUNTER the widespread notion on the left (to whom the Nation speaks) that he is a sellout. That reference still proves the point, since the Nation (which is kind of a corporate less left gatekeeper anymore, since they started getting their funding from The FoundationsTM) would feel no need to make that argument unless the other position were widespread and gaining ground.

However, the first page also has links to Olbermann calling him a sellout, Krugman calling him a sellout, The Young Turks calling him a sellout, and etc.

Somehow, the country's premier leftist, one Noam Chomsky, hasn't been put front and center by the so-called leftist media (which in fact have not had him on the air in about 30 years, iirc), but I do not think you will find him any fan of the big O's.

Soflasnapper
01-28-2011, 01:05 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The state of Hawaii SAYS they found it (by it, I mean the long form bc), through their officials in charge of vital records, who said they VERIFIED that the short form was identical in the data it contains to the long form. If the new governor cannot find it, he should ask those state officials about its whereabouts. </div></div>

Actually, they have said the opposite ... the files cannot be found. The best they can do is find a hand written entry.

LWW </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Hawaii: Obama birth certificate is real
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By Dan Nakaso, The Honolulu Advertiser
In an attempt to quash persistent rumors that President Obama was not born in Honolulu on Aug. 4, 1961, Hawaii's health director reiterated Monday afternoon that she has personally seen Obama's birth certificate in the Health Department's archives:

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."</div></div>

Hawaii officially confirms bc (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm)

That the file cannot NOW be found is a different matter.

Qtec
01-28-2011, 05:14 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I googled 'obama sellout' and got 248,000 results in 0.17 seconds. </div></div>

link (http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&client=firefox-a&hs=Wcd&rls=org.mozilla%3Anl%3Aofficial&q=obama+sellout&btnG=Zoeken&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=) <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ongeveer 1.570.000 resultaten (0,06 seconden) </div></div>

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Soflasnapper
01-28-2011, 06:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I googled 'obama sellout' and got 248,000 results in 0.17 seconds. </div></div>

link (http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&client=firefox-a&hs=Wcd&rls=org.mozilla%3Anl%3Aofficial&q=obama+sellout&btnG=Zoeken&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=) <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ongeveer 1.570.000 resultaten (0,06 seconden) </div></div>

Q /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif </div></div>

Geez that totally whips my ass! I guess the Germans really are on top of these things.

Qtec
01-28-2011, 06:53 PM
The Germans!!!!!

I'm in the Netherlands.

In the last years the price has stayed roughly the same but the speeds have been going up and up. I pay around $40 a month for internet and phone. My pc tells me my speed is 100,0 Mbps but I don't believe it. Its fast but not that fast, although I DLD a film on Bittorrent the other day and it took only 16 minutes!

Q

LWW
01-29-2011, 03:01 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hawaii officially confirms bc (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm)

That the file cannot NOW be found is a different matter. </div></div>

Completely irrelevant.

Hawaii law, through no fault of Obama's, was so third worldish that in 1961 all it took was a signed form from a grandparent for a BC to be issued.

Hawaii even allowed for someone, even after reaching adulthood, to file for a BC upon presenting no more evidence than their parent(s) having lived their.

A long form BC showing Obama having been born at a hospital or being witnessed by an attending doctor or midwife would settle this. Obama has claimed birth at a Honolulu hospital. If true the long form would verify this.

OTOH, their are at least 3 other ways ... with essentially no verification ... that a Hawaiian COLB can be obtained from 1961 law.

You are allowing your devotion to dear leader to cloud your objective thinking.

LWW

Soflasnapper
01-29-2011, 11:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hawaii officially confirms bc (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm)

That the file cannot NOW be found is a different matter. </div></div>

Completely irrelevant.

Hawaii law, through no fault of Obama's, was so third worldish that in 1961 all it took was a signed form from a grandparent for a BC to be issued.

Hawaii even allowed for someone, even after reaching adulthood, to file for a BC upon presenting no more evidence than their parent(s) having lived their.

A long form BC showing Obama having been born at a hospital or being witnessed by an attending doctor or midwife would settle this. Obama has claimed birth at a Honolulu hospital. If true the long form would verify this.

OTOH, their are at least 3 other ways ... with essentially no verification ... that a Hawaiian COLB can be obtained from 1961 law.

You are allowing your devotion to dear leader to cloud your objective thinking.

LWW </div></div>

What you say is the history there is probably so. And so what?

How is her statement NOT an official statement from the state of Hawaii?

What are you saying about the prior official statement from the official of record, who twice confirmed she had seen the long form, and it agreed with all the info in the released short form? That SHE meant she had seen family certifications, rather than any official hospital docs?

LWW
01-29-2011, 05:23 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

What are you saying about the prior official statement from the official of record, who twice confirmed she had seen the long form, and it agreed with all the info in the released short form? That SHE meant she had seen family certifications, rather than any official hospital docs?

</div></div>

Quite possible as the COLB makes no mention of hospitals.

Now, if she saw it ... and is telling the truth ... what happened to it?

In addition, why didn't the regime release a long form and end this?

That is the important question, and I'm not a birther.

In my gut I believe he was more likely to have been born here than not.

I also see far more than "REASONABLE DOUBT" on the matter.

His mother's passport records vanishing. His long form vanishing from his passport file. There is so much hair on this story that it is terrifying.

What recent POTUS has refused to release his medical records? Obama.

What recent POTUS has refused to release his school records? Obama.

What recent POTUS has refused to release his birth records? Obama.

LWW

Qtec
01-29-2011, 07:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The short form bc is valid, or nobody in Hawaii ever gets a valid bc. EVERYBODY born there gets that one when they ask for a bc, and it is wholly valid for all legal purposes (or else no Hawaiian can get a passport, etc.).</div></div>

Deceptive, and probably by design it appears.

The short form, or "CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH" is used as evidence that a person was born alive. Nobody questions this.

A long form is required for a passport, and even the state of Hawaii is on record that they don't even accept the COLB as evidence of Hawaiian birth.

Nobody has questioned that Obama was actually born.

As an added bonus ... FOIA act requests show that Obama's passport files contain bo BC at all, and Stanley Ann Dunham's passport records do not exist.

LWW </div></div>

You lie.

Q

Qtec
01-29-2011, 07:54 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> What recent POTUS has refused to release his medical records? Obama.</div></div>

Give me one good reason why he should release every document every nut job Tea Partiers demands of him.

He is the POTUS.
They/you are nut jobs.

?

Q

LWW
01-30-2011, 05:10 AM
Each claim has been documented in this forum my fine feathered friend.

http://blog.karmona.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/ostrich_head_sand.jpg

LWW

Qtec
01-30-2011, 05:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>So-called "Birther Queen" Orly Taitz</span> hadn't yet heard about the Supreme Court's decision to <u>uphold a $20,000 fine</u> against her when TPMMuckraker reached her on Monday.

But Taitz told TPMMuckraker <u>she is convinced that none of the members of the court read her request, and that clerks made the decision for the justices. </u>She cited a passage from a book co-authored by Justice Antonin Scalia in which, she claimed, Scalia said that less than one percent of cases are actually read by a judge.

"It was never seen by Justice [Clarence] Thomas, there's not evidence it was seen by Justice Thomas," Taitz said. "I don't believe the Justices read a word of the pleadings." She said she wanted to see the original court document with the signature of a member of the court.

A federal judge's October 2009 ruling required Taitz, a lawyer and dentist <span style='font-size: 20pt'>who has filed several suits claiming President Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen, to pay the fine for filing "frivolous" litigation.</span> Taitz was attempting to misuse the federal court system to push her political agenda, the judge said.

Taitz said after Thomas denied her motion, she went to Justice Samuel Alito because he reportedly has his own clerks read the briefs, which he said made him more independent. Alito, claimed Taitz, was also the only member of the court who did not attend a meeting with Obama a few days before his inauguration. She found the meeting inappropriate because she had an open court case involving Obama at the time.

"That's a clear conflict of interest, that's lack of impartiality, and Alito was the only justice who didn't attend this meeting," Taitz said. "Thousands of people have written to the Supreme Court that this is totally improper." </div></div>

A fellow nut job.

Q

LWW
01-30-2011, 05:30 AM
Why?

LWW

Qtec
01-30-2011, 05:47 AM
Why not?

Q

LWW
01-30-2011, 06:13 AM
Largely because you say they are and have a history of being wrong on the issues 99 and 44/100ths percent of the time.

LWW

Soflasnapper
01-30-2011, 09:08 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

What are you saying about the prior official statement from the official of record, who twice confirmed she had seen the long form, and it agreed with all the info in the released short form? That SHE meant she had seen family certifications, rather than any official hospital docs?

</div></div>

Quite possible as the COLB makes no mention of hospitals.

Now, if she saw it ... and is telling the truth ... what happened to it?

In addition, why didn't the regime release a long form and end this?

That is the important question, and I'm not a birther.

In my gut I believe he was more likely to have been born here than not.

I also see far more than "REASONABLE DOUBT" on the matter.

His mother's passport records vanishing. His long form vanishing from his passport file. There is so much hair on this story that it is terrifying.

What recent POTUS has refused to release his medical records? Obama.

What recent POTUS has refused to release his school records? Obama.

What recent POTUS has refused to release his birth records? Obama.

LWW </div></div>

I think most of that is right. We seem to be left with either the Hawaiian official was telling the truth, and now the file has gone missing, or she was lying.

I believe the mother's passport file is missing at State as well. So, yes, there are discrepancies that bear mentioning and thinking about. Perhaps all they mean is that the mother was an asset of the CIA, as some rumors have it (the foundation she worked at was connected, and USAID is an agency front as well.)

However, of all the recent presidents, I think none of them have done what you imply is uniquely Obama's behavior. Unless you want to hang your argument on 'refused,' if some, most or all weren't asked to do so. But I think the fact is that none of them did any of that. I await your correction, if you have one.

LWW
01-31-2011, 12:47 AM
It has been common practice, and in some cases law, for quite some time that candidates release tax, education, health records.

For a candidate that has pledged transparency ... isn't it odd that he has refused to release any medical records, and fought to seal his school records back to kindergarten?

LWW

JohnnyD
01-31-2011, 01:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It has been common practice, and in some cases law, for quite some time that candidates release tax, education, health records.

For a candidate that has pledged transparency ... isn't it odd that he has refused to release any medical records, and fought to seal his school records back to kindergarten?

LWW </div></div> Very odd indeed sir.

LWW
01-31-2011, 06:52 AM
I dedicate post #11,900 to my good friend JohnnyD ... he has never ceased to help aid the ill informed, and has helped me keep my nose to the grindstone in dispelling the myriad pieces of mythology spread here by the forces of the O-cult.

LWW

Qtec
01-31-2011, 07:06 AM
My take?

This is a non issue. Even if he was not born in the USA, its irrelevant, <u>he is the POTUS</u>, elected by the people of the USA.

Why now.

Why all this sudden extreme outrage about Govt spending etc?

example; Govt has been using SS funds for its own purposes for decades and <u>now its a big deal?</u>

Most of what the right says these days is illogical and not based in fact, especially when it comes to Obama.

An outsider might think that some folks have a problem with a Black Dem as POTUS <span style="color: #990000"> [even mentiong this possibility can sometimes attract the cries of racist !] </span> and some other folks are exploiting that.

Just a thought.

Q

Gayle in MD
01-31-2011, 08:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My take?

This is a non issue. Even if he was not born in the USA, its irrelevant, <u>he is the POTUS</u>, elected by the people of the USA.

Why now.

Why all this sudden extreme outrage about Govt spending etc?

example; Govt has been using SS funds for its own purposes for decades and <u>now its a big deal?</u>

Most of what the right says these days is illogical and not based in fact, especially when it comes to Obama.

An outsider might think that some folks have a problem with a Black Dem as POTUS <span style="color: #990000"> [even mentiong this possibility can sometimes attract the cries of racist !] </span> and some other folks are exploiting that.

Just a thought.

Q </div></div>

It's the typical Republican reaction to any popular Democratic Presidential Candidate.

This time, their slander and attacks were even more ridiculous, more racist, more radically supported by their 28% of crazies from the Fly Over States, you know, those brilliant voters who insist that deficits don't matter, when Repubs are running them up.

War Crimes don't matter, when Republicans are committing them, and in fact, NO CRIMES matter to them, as long as Republicans are breaking them, not even the crime of murder, not even War Crimes.

Radical RW destruction of Constitutional rights to privacy, freedom of choice, decent health care and equal opportunities for an education, all have been approved by the Right, on this forum, pawns of the Grand Oil Party, as long as the Grand Oil Party, and their RW radical Supreme Court, are the desroyers of The Land, The air, The Water and the American Dream... and anyone who speaks against it, will be attacked and slandered by the Christain Fundamentalists, who purport to be speaking on behalf of Jesus, while at the same time denying the scientific proof of the death rattloe of the planet, itself!!!!

Those brilliant folks who deny Evolution, block Stem Cell Research, and applaud cold blooded murderers.

Unbelievable!

Hilarious to me that we were warning them long ago, they wouldn't like it when the Bush/Cheney abuse of power, fell into the hands of a Democratic Administration.

You'd think they'd be too embarrassed to make such fools of themselves, on here, after they applauded every crime, every treasnist act, every destruction of our Constitution rights, for all of those years, whiole Republicans were carving them out...

Hypocrisy on parade. Yep! The Auhoritarian Loving Reds, of America, would have loved the Germany of decades ago.

I must say, I am proud to have marched with Martin Luther.

Proud to have demonstrated against Johnson's Vietnam lies and War Crimes, against Reagan's treason and War Crimes, lies, his own over-reach of Executive power, and the destruction of Media standards, as he prepared to destroy Union representation for hard working Americans, as he spread weapons to the evil, claimed omnipotence, and remains the hero of the ignorant, who still don't realize that REagan did not end the cold war across this planet, he fomented the cold war which wages to this day, the war against the common man, which the common man has lost to Greed, corruption, and inhumanity.

I am proud to have marched without guns, without threats of guns, without offensive language, against the Bush Administration's multi treasonist, inhumane activities, and just as Proud to have demonstrated recently, against the on-going, illegal, immoral wars in the Middle East, still ragain and murdering innocents on the other side of the world, as our taxes pay for death and destruction.

G.

Sev
01-31-2011, 08:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Germans!!!!!

I'm in the Netherlands.

In the last years the price has stayed roughly the same but the speeds have been going up and up. I pay around $40 a month for internet and phone. My pc tells me my speed is 100,0 Mbps but I don't believe it. Its fast but not that fast, although I DLD a film on Bittorrent the other day and it took only 16 minutes!

Q </div></div>

Hey Q go Speedtest.net you will be able to determine your connection speed.
The 1000Mbps is the top capability of your ethernet not your internet speed.

LWW
01-31-2011, 11:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My take?

This is a non issue. Even if he was not born in the USA, its irrelevant, <u>he is the POTUS</u>, elected by the people of the USA.

Q </div></div>

So ... if something is taken illegally it belongs to the thief and the law has no relevance?

Are you sure that this is the position you want to be seen as taking ... not that it surprises anyone.

LWW

LWW
01-31-2011, 11:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why all this sudden extreme outrage about Govt spending etc?

Q </div></div>

Because the last congress increased the annual deficit by 800% in under 5 years.

LWW

LWW
01-31-2011, 11:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">example; Govt has been using SS funds for its own purposes for decades and <u>now its a big deal?</u>

Q </div></div>

Actually it's been a big deal to conservatives for 75 years.

LWW

LWW
01-31-2011, 11:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most of what the right says these days is illogical and not based in fact, especially when it comes to Obama.

Q </div></div>

Because it's over your head ... which it is ... doesn't make it illogical.

LWW

LWW
01-31-2011, 11:27 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An outsider might think that some folks have a problem with a Black Dem as POTUS <span style="color: #990000"> [even mentiong this possibility can sometimes attract the cries of racist !] </span> and some other folks are exploiting that.

Q </div></div>

Only if the outsider was a moron.

Many TPM leaders are black.

JohnnyD is black.

I'm part black.

The democrook party has always been the party most likely to be full of racists, from Jeff Davis to Robert Cornelius Calvin Sales Byrd Junior.

LWW

JohnnyD
01-31-2011, 01:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I dedicate post #11,900 to my good friend JohnnyD ... he has never ceased to help aid the ill informed, and has helped me keep my nose to the grindstone in dispelling the myriad pieces of mythology spread here by the forces of the O-cult.

LWW </div></div>What a thoughtful idea.I toast a fine scotch in your honor professor.Please continue with your wonderful up to date posts.You truely are the voice of reason and the speaker of the truth.Jesus loves you.

JohnnyD
01-31-2011, 01:29 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An outsider might think that some folks have a problem with a Black Dem as POTUS <span style="color: #990000"> [even mentiong this possibility can sometimes attract the cries of racist !] </span> and some other folks are exploiting that.

Q </div></div>

Only if the outsider was a moron.

Many TPM leaders are black.

JohnnyD is black.

I'm part black.

The democrook party has always been the party most likely to be full of racists, from Jeff Davis to Robert Cornelius Calvin Sales Byrd Junior.

LWW </div></div>Long live the memory of Johnny Cochran.
IF it doesn't fit you must acquit".
The truth will set you free.

JohnnyD
01-31-2011, 01:29 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most of what the right says these days is illogical and not based in fact, especially when it comes to Obama.

Q </div></div>

Because it's over your head ... which it is ... doesn't make it illogical.

LWW </div></div>Excellent post