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llotter
01-27-2011, 08:05 AM
Rand Paul submits $500 billion in spending cuts in the first year. Now this is more in line with what is needed.

Sev
01-27-2011, 08:17 AM
They can cut over a trillion if they really try.

LWW
01-27-2011, 11:00 AM
Why?

Dear leader has promised to increase spending, lower taxes, and reduce the deficit all at the same time.

LWW

pooltchr
01-27-2011, 11:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why?

Dear leader has promised to increase spending, lower taxes, and reduce the deficit all at the same time.

LWW </div></div>

But hasn't one of our illustrius posters told us that can't be possible? Or now that Obama says it's possible, has everything changed?

Steve

LWW
01-27-2011, 04:06 PM
Dear leader can create a stone so heavy he cannot move it ... and then move it.

You will be assimilated.

Resistance is futile.

LWW

Soflasnapper
01-27-2011, 11:57 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why?

Dear leader has promised to increase spending, lower taxes, and reduce the deficit all at the same time.

LWW </div></div>

But hasn't one of our illustrius posters told us that can't be possible? Or now that Obama says it's possible, has everything changed?

Steve </div></div>

Dear Leader = Ronald Reagan?

The laws of math didn't bend to Reagan's economics theory, and they will not bend to whomever tries to say they don't apply.

The horrible politician, but legitimate billionaire businessman H. Ross Perot, explained it in business terms.

If my company is running in the red, it makes no sense to cut REVENUES.

sack316
01-28-2011, 12:12 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The horrible politician, but legitimate billionaire businessman H. Ross Perot, explained it in business terms.

If my company is running in the red, it makes no sense to cut REVENUES. </div></div>

What did he say about increasing expenditures in said situation?

Sack

LWW
01-28-2011, 04:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why?

Dear leader has promised to increase spending, lower taxes, and reduce the deficit all at the same time.

LWW </div></div>

But hasn't one of our illustrius posters told us that can't be possible? Or now that Obama says it's possible, has everything changed?

Steve </div></div>

Dear Leader = Ronald Reagan?

The laws of math didn't bend to Reagan's economics theory, and they will not bend to whomever tries to say they don't apply.

The horrible politician, but legitimate billionaire businessman H. Ross Perot, explained it in business terms.

If my company is running in the red, it makes no sense to cut REVENUES. </div></div>

Very good.

Now, what data do you have to show that the Reagan era tax cuts reduced revenue?

What's that?

They didn't?

They actually increased revenue ... but congress spent all of it and then some?

LWW &lt;---Presenting the truth the left just doesn't want to hear.

Gayle in MD
01-28-2011, 03:14 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The horrible politician, but legitimate billionaire businessman H. Ross Perot, explained it in business terms.

If my company is running in the red, it makes no sense to cut REVENUES. </div></div>

What did he say about increasing expenditures in said situation?

Sack </div></div>

Don't know what was said, just common sense, that any good business person knows, you have to spend money, to make money.

Here this thread praises Paul's ridiculous plan, but no mention, nor calculation of how many more jobs will be lost due to cuts.

Clinton cut taxes for the rich, and cut defense spending, and Clinton created more jobs than Reagan, Bush and Bush, combined.

President Obama, has created more jobs than eight years of Bush, who inherited a healthy economy, to say the least.

P_aul, and Republicans are dead wrong. That's NOT what we need right now. What we need now is to invest, in America, and stop trying to police the world.

Raise taxes for the wealthy, most of whom are the ones who stole from all of us in the first place.....and don't create any jobs, anyway.

We need to spend on Research and development.

A single payer H.C. system.

Reinstate Glass-Steigle.

Break up the Health Insurance monopolies.

Cut Defense spending.

Cut out waste from needed programs, not just throw them out completely.

Republicans are going to take the money from those who can least afford it, and reward those who stole from all, like they ALWAYS do.
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G.

sack316
01-28-2011, 04:04 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Don't know what was said, just common sense, that any good business person knows, you have to spend money, to make money.
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That applies, but only to specific situations. For a startup=yes. For reinvestment for growth=yes. When you're going under and the ship is sinking fast=no.

Look at retail chains that went to the brink or started getting in trouble. Those that held on and survived, did they expand, build new stores and increase inventory? No. They contracted, cut labor, streamlined and reduced inventory and overhead. At some point (some right now as we slowly recover) the spend money to make money will occur again because it is indeed necessary for growth. But when approaching a cliff you don't press harder on the accelerator, you hit the brakes and back up a bit and regroup first.

Sack--- has redundantly done about a zillion case studies on this very thing

eg8r
01-28-2011, 04:20 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Clinton cut taxes for the rich, and cut defense spending, and Clinton created more jobs than Reagan, Bush and Bush, combined.
</div></div>Wow, that seems to go in direction contrast to everything you have ever said before about cutting taxes for the rich. There is no surprise how you sway with the wind.

eg8r

pooltchr
01-28-2011, 04:25 PM
Cutting taxes for the rich, and cutting government spending created jobs under Clinton? So why should Obama raise taxes on the rich and keep increasing government spending?

Steve

LWW
01-29-2011, 05:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Clinton cut taxes for the rich, and cut defense spending, and Clinton created more jobs than Reagan, Bush and Bush, combined.
</div></div>Wow, that seems to go in direction contrast to everything you have ever said before about cutting taxes for the rich. There is no surprise how you sway with the wind.

eg8r </div></div>

The regime is now telling her that Reagan was really Obama ... so what can you expect?

LWW

Sev
01-29-2011, 08:03 AM
I notice they always avoid the tax cuts JFK did.

Gayle in MD
01-29-2011, 10:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Don't know what was said, just common sense, that any good business person knows, you have to spend money, to make money.
</div></div>

That applies, but only to specific situations. For a startup=yes. For reinvestment for growth=yes. When you're going under and the ship is sinking fast=no.

Look at retail chains that went to the brink or started getting in trouble. Those that held on and survived, did they expand, build new stores and increase inventory? No. They contracted, cut labor, streamlined and reduced inventory and overhead. At some point (some right now as we slowly recover) the spend money to make money will occur again because it is indeed necessary for growth. But when approaching a cliff you don't press harder on the accelerator, you hit the brakes and back up a bit and regroup first.

Sack--- has redundantly done about a zillion case studies on this very thing </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They contracted, cut labor, streamlined and reduced inventory and overhead. </div></div>

That phase is past, IMO, and while there should be some cutbacks, targeting waste, IMO, Republicans have already shown they have no intention of cutting back where they should, and IMO, they intend to make things worse.

In an unstabole econmy, cutbacks are ony good and effective when they induce the least strife, for the most people.

Republicans intend to continue with their usual failed policies, targeting the Middle, favoring the wealthy top one percent,wh do not put cash back into the economy....

MORE tax cuts for the wealthy.... the same crooks who bilked the country in the first place, a waste, which does not produce jobs.


Just as the stock market is hugely impacted as a psychological phenomenon, so is the process of pulling the country back up from the Bush demise.

In order to do that, maintaining public safety, and basic standards for the country, Firemen, Police, Teachers, etc., is the MOST important approach, with the best and quickest results, because when recovering from a time of insecurity, nothing is more important than consummer confidence. The last thing to spend on, is the top one percent, the loss of revenue, does not produce jobs, nor instill confidence, in most of the population, and if Republicans continue on a course which will only drive more and more people into poverty, raise unemployment, fail to invest in the future, then this country will have no future.

The usual Republican FEAR MONGERING, now used for political purposes, focused on the debt, will desroy us. We are NOT Europe. The RW BS is absurd.

Vast threats against SS and Medicare, Repealing the Affordable Health care Bill, for example, going backwards, is the very worst approach.

They claim they are representing the wishes of the country, BULL! Polls are showing clearly, Americans do not want them to repeal the Afordabole Health Care, most want to either keep it, or strengthen it.

The country will not recover, without a recovery from the bottom up, not from the top down, which righties, STILL, after everything we've seen, do not get! An there can be no strong economy, as long as peoploe are at risk of loosing everything, when they become ill. As long as teachers, firemen, policemen, government employees, IOW&lt; the entire Middle Class, is holding their breath, afraid to spend a buck, because they think the Republiocans are going to get rid of them.

If anything is cut, it should be the amount of money that the rich is sucking our of our economy, and deep sixing.

China, also, must be dealt with. That, of course, is in process as we write.

WE need to reduce our oil imports, cut them in half, at least, by building on renewable fuels.

This is not the time to make cutbacks which will ONLY add to higher unemployment. This is the time to invest.

But, as usual, Republicans have their eyes firmly focused in the wrong direction. Their voters do nothing but bash and degrade the government, and the country in that process. The government haters, are one of our worst problems, they are dragging the whole country down.

Our National Psychological outlook, is the most important underlying issue, when it comes to creating the sort of recovery we need to aim for, and bashing government, and fomenting fear, is the antithesis of building for the future.

The right, Pooh Poohed the rising deficits, while they are digging our current hole, and at the worse time to do so, during war. Now they seek to impose the kind of cutbacks which wioll only slow up recovery, and deepen the insecurity of the masses, when we need to spend, in order to recover, create, improvise, build, and affirm.

TRICKLE DOWN DOES NOT WORK.

A VAST chasm of wealth, between the top and everyone else, cannot rebuild a country, nor maintain it.

No country can flourish, without a strong Middle Class.

This is the reason why our economy falls in job production, whenever Republicans have power.

Republicans always spend when we should be cutting spending, for example, in the Middle of fighting two wars, and then cut spending, when we should be investing.

A good busnessperson, believes in him or herself, and is not afraid to do whatever is needed to invest, and expand, while everyone else, crippled by fear, is cutting back. there are times for riskikng, and times for cutting back. This is no time to cut back, and our suddenly deficit conscience, Right, has done nothing but hold back recovery...at every pass, and they are currently allowing their hatred, ignorance, racism, and opportunism, to hurt the country, as usual.

When it comes to making money, it is never good to follow the crowd. We are not Europe!

G.

pooltchr
01-29-2011, 02:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[
That phase is past, IMO,

<span style="color: #FF0000">I could almost believe that, were it not for your 10,000 posts about Bush. </span>


The last thing to spend on, is the top one percent, the loss of revenue, does not produce jobs, G.

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<span style="color: #FF0000">Right! Giving tax breaks to the guy who flips burgers will generate so many more jobs than giving tax breaks to people who own and run businesses.

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Steve </span>