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Qtec
01-29-2011, 03:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'> Mexican drug cartels go shopping for their guns in Arizona</span><span style="color: #990000"> Really?</span>

In Arizona, everyone is freaked out about the violence by Mexican drug cartels south of their border, which was one of the reasons we repeatedly heard from leading state officials as one of their excuses for passing SB1070.

The seizure of more than 700 guns and the indictments of 34 people announced on Tuesday are further confirmation that Arizona has become an iron highway for weapons into Mexico, according to federal authorities.

Many legal purchases by straw buyers at Arizona gun stores are being financed and orchestrated by Mexico's Sinaloa cartel, federal officials said.

The cases announced Tuesday involved the purchases of many AK-47s, .50-caliber rifles and other semiautomatic weapons in single-day transactions at gun stores by straw buyers paid by the cartel, U.S. Attorney for Arizona Dennis Burke said.

"This is a huge problem in this state. It is a strange phenomenon," Burke said at a news conference at the Phoenix office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and Explosives. "Drug cartels go shopping for their war weapons here in Arizona."

At least 17 people were arrested Tuesday in five cases involving a joint crackdown by the ATF, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, the Internal Revenue Service and the Phoenix Police Department.

But then it turns out that the ease with which you can buy a gun in Arizona is fueling that violence directly:
The indictments reveal the relative ease with which citizens who have not been convicted of a felony can amass an arsenal of weapons.

For instance, according to the indictments, defendant Joshua Moore bought<u> six</u> AK-47 and similar rifles from a gun store in Prescott in 2009. Three days later, he bought <u>two</u> AK-47s from a gun store in Glendale. Seven days later, he bought <u>10</u> from the same store. Two days later, he bought <u>five more</u> there. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Less than a month later, he bought 20 from the same store.</span> Three months later, <span style='font-size: 20pt'>he bought 10 more from the Glendale gun store</span>.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2...l#ixzz1CPpW8awn (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/25/20110125arizona-gun-buys-for-cartels-fed-charges.html#ixzz1CPpW8awn)
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watch the report (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/mexican-drug-cartels-go-shopping-the)


Who the hell needs 53 AKs??????


What's funny is,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gee, I can remember when, a couple of years ago, Obama administration officials pointed out that many of the guns being used by the Mexican drug cartels were being originating in the USA -- <span style='font-size: 20pt'>and the NRA and Glenn Beck exploded in angry denial, implying that such imprecations upon the fine name of American arms sellers was an attack on the Constitution itself!</span> </div></div>

Watch the video.

Q.....madness.

LWW
01-29-2011, 05:11 AM
And?

LWW

Sev
01-29-2011, 07:59 AM
Yah. Really. And?

pooltchr
01-29-2011, 09:29 AM
Are all people who believe in the peoples' constitutional right to own a gun "nuts"???? I personally find the term "gun nuts" quite offensive.
Why aren't people who own a computer considered "computer nuts"?
Why aren't people who own dogs considered "dog nuts"?
What is it about gun ownership that causes those who don't like it to stoop to name calling?

And, if you don't like guns personally, why would someone try to force their beliefs on others?

What kind of "nut" would behave like that???????????

Steve

Gayle in MD
01-29-2011, 10:12 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'> Mexican drug cartels go shopping for their guns in Arizona</span><span style="color: #990000"> Really?</span>

In Arizona, everyone is freaked out about the violence by Mexican drug cartels south of their border, which was one of the reasons we repeatedly heard from leading state officials as one of their excuses for passing SB1070.

The seizure of more than 700 guns and the indictments of 34 people announced on Tuesday are further confirmation that Arizona has become an iron highway for weapons into Mexico, according to federal authorities.

Many legal purchases by straw buyers at Arizona gun stores are being financed and orchestrated by Mexico's Sinaloa cartel, federal officials said.

The cases announced Tuesday involved the purchases of many AK-47s, .50-caliber rifles and other semiautomatic weapons in single-day transactions at gun stores by straw buyers paid by the cartel, U.S. Attorney for Arizona Dennis Burke said.

"This is a huge problem in this state. It is a strange phenomenon," Burke said at a news conference at the Phoenix office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and Explosives. "Drug cartels go shopping for their war weapons here in Arizona."

At least 17 people were arrested Tuesday in five cases involving a joint crackdown by the ATF, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, the Internal Revenue Service and the Phoenix Police Department.

But then it turns out that the ease with which you can buy a gun in Arizona is fueling that violence directly:
The indictments reveal the relative ease with which citizens who have not been convicted of a felony can amass an arsenal of weapons.

For instance, according to the indictments, defendant Joshua Moore bought<u> six</u> AK-47 and similar rifles from a gun store in Prescott in 2009. Three days later, he bought <u>two</u> AK-47s from a gun store in Glendale. Seven days later, he bought <u>10</u> from the same store. Two days later, he bought <u>five more</u> there. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Less than a month later, he bought 20 from the same store.</span> Three months later, <span style='font-size: 20pt'>he bought 10 more from the Glendale gun store</span>.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2...l#ixzz1CPpW8awn (http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/25/20110125arizona-gun-buys-for-cartels-fed-charges.html#ixzz1CPpW8awn)
</div></div>

watch the report (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/mexican-drug-cartels-go-shopping-the)


Who the hell needs 53 AKs??????


What's funny is,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gee, I can remember when, a couple of years ago, Obama administration officials pointed out that many of the guns being used by the Mexican drug cartels were being originating in the USA -- <span style='font-size: 20pt'>and the NRA and Glenn Beck exploded in angry denial, implying that such imprecations upon the fine name of American arms sellers was an attack on the Constitution itself!</span> </div></div>

Watch the video.

Q.....madness. </div></div>

Pure insanity!

Amazing how the right yaps about personalo freedom, while at the same time, trying to invade personalol family issues, dn't you think so?

Is having personalo freedom, skin to not having reloiogious nutjobs, work to FORCE their religious BS into our government, by tryng to legislate, or murder those who have a different view?

I am sick and tired of the right, and their gross hypocracy.

There is no defensible argument for providing clips, that can maime and kill twenty people in twelve second! No logical defense, for selling guns, at gun shows, to criminal, or mentally challenged people. The Mexican government, has been telliong us for oer a decade, that our lax gun laws, are the cause of their gorwing violoence.

Too bad we can't put the Right, in a time machine, and take them BACK, to their appropriate time in history, where they belong, and where the live in their confused little minds, which is the whole reason, why social progress, and intellectual evolution, is road blocked by these anachronistic, violence threatening, Government haters!

G.

Soflasnapper
01-29-2011, 11:24 AM
Who the hell needs 53 AKs??????

Self defense, in some neighborhoods where the neighbors are equally heavily armed?

Gayle in MD
01-29-2011, 11:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who the hell needs 53 AKs??????

Self defense, in some neighborhoods where the neighbors are equally heavily armed? </div></div>

Which is still the result of weakened gun laws, which were allowed to lapse, by GW Bush, and Republicans...

G.

Sev
01-29-2011, 12:18 PM
You are really ignorant on what sort of weapons were still legally manufactured and sold during the "Assault Weapons" ban arent you???

Try to educate yourself a bit more prior to opening you pie hole.

pooltchr
01-29-2011, 02:57 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Pure insanity!=G.

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Yep!

Steve

LWW
01-29-2011, 04:47 PM
[quote=Sev]You are really ignorant on what sort of weapons were still legally manufactured and sold during the "Assault Weapons" ban arent you???

Try to educate yourself a bit more prior to opening you pie hole.
[/quote

What kind of weight do you want betting on that ever happening.

The assault weapons ban was a sop to the naive and the stupid on the left.

As an example ... a Colt AR-15, that's a civvy version of an M-16 for the gun illiterates, was required to be sold without the flash suppressor.

This caused the weapon to become a fire hazard under certain circumstances and led to after market, and perfectly legal, flash suppressors that screwed on. As long as they weren't permanent.

Folding stock weapons had to be sold with a pin in place so the stock couldn't be folded ... unless the owner took 2 fingers and pulled the pin out.

LWW

Sev
01-29-2011, 05:08 PM
Lets not forget all the G3 clones built in America as well. Also any weapon that was currently within the US was fair game for sale and resale.
It was a good time to be in that niche of the industry if your manufacturing was located within the US.

Qtec
01-29-2011, 07:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Sev]You are really ignorant on what sort of weapons were still legally manufactured and sold during the "Assault Weapons" ban arent you???

Try to educate yourself a bit more prior to opening you pie hole.
[/quote

What kind of weight do you want betting on that ever happening.

The assault weapons ban was a sop to the naive and the stupid on the left.

As an example ... a Colt AR-15, that's a civvy version of an M-16 for the gun illiterates, was required to be sold without the flash suppressor.

This caused the weapon to become a fire hazard under certain circumstances and led to after market, and perfectly legal, flash suppressors that screwed on. As long as they weren't permanent.

Folding stock weapons had to be sold with a pin in place so the stock couldn't be folded ... unless the owner took 2 fingers and pulled the pin out.

LWW </div></div>

Gun nut alarm...........FBI...are you getting this?..........


Q...... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

LWW
01-30-2011, 05:12 AM
There's a Quisling in every crowd.

LWW

Sev
01-30-2011, 07:47 AM
Or a twinkie

LWW
01-30-2011, 08:27 AM
Sometimes both.

LWW

JohnnyD
01-30-2011, 11:54 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sometimes both.

LWW </div></div> Ohh my !

JohnnyD
01-31-2011, 01:39 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There's a Quisling in every crowd.

LWW </div></div>Ohh my!

LWW
02-01-2011, 10:08 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Which is still the result of weakened gun laws, which were allowed to lapse, by GW Bush, and Republicans...

G. </div></div>

What gun laws were those?

What's that?

There weren't any?

LWW

Sev
02-01-2011, 11:03 AM
Perhaps she is confused by the recent SCOTUS rulings on the second amendment??

LWW
02-01-2011, 11:08 AM
Excellent post.

LWW

Chopstick
02-01-2011, 12:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Which is still the result of weakened gun laws, which were allowed to lapse, by GW Bush, and Republicans...

G. </div></div>

What gun laws were those?

What's that?

There weren't any?

LWW </div></div>

<span style="color: #000099">In addition, which guns laws were weakened that enabled the purchase of grenade launchers, anti-tank weapons, and heavy machine guns? Which gun show, gun shop, in which state are these things available?

What does Mr. Mexican president have to say about the 150,000 Mexican soldiers that defected to go to work for the drug lords taking their American issued weapons with them? But of course none of those weapons were ever captured in drug raids. It's just the ones that were bought in Arizona.
</span>

Gayle in MD
02-01-2011, 01:05 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chopstick</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Which is still the result of weakened gun laws, which were allowed to lapse, by GW Bush, and Republicans...

G. </div></div>

What gun laws were those?

What's that?

There weren't any?

LWW </div></div>

<span style="color: #000099">In addition, which guns laws were weakened that enabled the purchase of grenade launchers, anti-tank weapons, and heavy machine guns? Which gun show, gun shop, in which state are these things available?

What does Mr. Mexican president have to say about the 150,000 Mexican soldiers that defected to go to work for the drug lords taking their American issued weapons with them? But of course none of those weapons were ever captured in drug raids. It's just the ones that were bought in Arizona.
</span> </div></div>

Apparently, gun laws are not enforeced, proven, on 60 Minutes, and elsewhere. The Gun sellers and dealers, do not follow the law.


Any NUTJUB can buy guns that have the capability of killing dozens of people, in seconds, and there is a gun show loophole, as well.

There is ample evidence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQEDvqmAfqg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq2faC-u87g&feature=fvwrel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2e0nytSuxQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baPgr_tw79Q&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-oUDiFgAl0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEJ8hzPdWDQ

Sev
02-01-2011, 01:17 PM
So what is your point???

Gun shows have been around for a century.

There are also over 33,000 gun laws on the books.

eg8r
02-01-2011, 01:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Apparently, gun laws are not enforeced, proven, on 60 Minutes, and elsewhere.
</div></div>Is there a single lefty on this board with the balls to admit that criminals do not abide by the law?

eg8r

pooltchr
02-01-2011, 02:59 PM
Banning gun posession to cut down on shootings makes about as much sense as banning cars to cut down on drunk driving!

Criminals have little reason to abide by gun laws. Those thousands of gun laws already on the books really only impact the law abiding citizens.

Steve

LWW
02-01-2011, 05:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Apparently, gun laws are not enforeced, proven, on 60 Minutes, and elsewhere.
</div></div>Is there a single lefty on this board with the balls to admit that criminals do not abide by the law?

eg8r </div></div>

<u><span style='font-size: 26pt'><span style='font-family: Arial Black'>WHAT?</span></span></u>

LWW

JohnnyD
02-01-2011, 05:13 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chopstick</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Which is still the result of weakened gun laws, which were allowed to lapse, by GW Bush, and Republicans...

G. </div></div>

What gun laws were those?

What's that?

There weren't any?

LWW </div></div>

<span style="color: #000099">In addition, which guns laws were weakened that enabled the purchase of grenade launchers, anti-tank weapons, and heavy machine guns? Which gun show, gun shop, in which state are these things available?

What does Mr. Mexican president have to say about the 150,000 Mexican soldiers that defected to go to work for the drug lords taking their American issued weapons with them? But of course none of those weapons were ever captured in drug raids. It's just the ones that were bought in Arizona.
</span> </div></div>Excellent post.

JohnnyD
02-01-2011, 05:15 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Banning gun posession to cut down on shootings makes about as much sense as banning cars to cut down on drunk driving!

Criminals have little reason to abide by gun laws. Those thousands of gun laws already on the books really only impact the law abiding citizens.

Steve </div></div>Excellent post.Please continue.

JohnnyD
02-01-2011, 05:16 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Apparently, gun laws are not enforeced, proven, on 60 Minutes, and elsewhere.
</div></div>Is there a single lefty on this board with the balls to admit that criminals do not abide by the law?

eg8r </div></div>

<u><span style='font-size: 26pt'><span style='font-family: Arial Black'>WHAT?</span></span></u>

LWW </div></div>To the point.Excellent.

Qtec
02-01-2011, 09:48 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><u>criminals</u> do not abide by the law? </div></div>


LMAO

That's so profound. LOL

Q

Qtec
02-01-2011, 09:50 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Banning gun posession to cut down on shootings makes about as much sense as banning cars to cut down on drunk driving! </div></div>

No guns, no shootings.
No cars, no drunk drivers.

Tell that's not a true statement.

Q

JohnnyD
02-08-2011, 10:01 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Apparently, gun laws are not enforeced, proven, on 60 Minutes, and elsewhere.
</div></div>Is there a single lefty on this board with the balls to admit that criminals do not abide by the law?

eg8r </div></div>Outstanding post.

LWW
02-09-2011, 12:14 AM
That's not a true statement.

LWW

Qtec
02-09-2011, 04:10 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's not a true statement.

LWW </div></div>

You just can't seem to grasp it. When you make a statement like,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's not a true statement. </div></div>

..you are supposed to say at least why you believe this and preferably with a link backing it up.

I could also say in response to your post, "That's not a true statement.". ..and you could say it back...and on an on... get my drift?

Is this how the myth slayer operates these days?

Q

LWW
02-09-2011, 04:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's not a true statement.

LWW </div></div>

You just can't seem to grasp it. When you make a statement like,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's not a true statement. </div></div>

..you are supposed to say at least why you believe this and preferably with a link backing it up.

I could also say in response to your post, "That's not a true statement.". ..and you could say it back...and on an on... get my drift?

Is this how the myth slayer operates these days?

Q </div></div>

Because the places with the most restrictive gun laws have the most gun crime while carry states are far lower.

Because when guns were banned in the UK, Canada, and Australia ... crime went up.

This has all been documented ad infinitum for your perusal on numerous instances. Instead of learning ... you simply buried your collectivist head deeper into the ground.

Was I clear enough?

LWW

Qtec
02-09-2011, 04:50 AM
In the words of your hero, "there you go again.

You make a claim,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Because the places with the most restrictive gun laws have the most gun crime while carry states are far lower. </div></div>

Not a link to back it up. Even if its true, does it mean anything?

Is life in Hickville AL the same as Compton LA?



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Because the places with the most restrictive gun laws have the most gun crime while carry states are far lower.</div></div>

Again, using meaningless statistics KNOWING that you are bending the truth just support your own bias is being dishonest.

Q

Chopstick
02-09-2011, 09:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

In the words of your hero, "there you go again.

You make a claim,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Because the places with the most restrictive gun laws have the most gun crime while carry states are far lower. </div></div>

Not a link to back it up. Even if its true, does it mean anything?

Is life in Hickville AL the same as Compton LA?



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Because the places with the most restrictive gun laws have the most gun crime while carry states are far lower.</div></div>

Again, using meaningless statistics KNOWING that you are bending the truth just support your own bias is being dishonest.

Q </div></div>

<span style="color: #000099">What's the crime rate in Switzerland? You know, the country where every household has a military grade assault rifle in the closet. Did banning guns in the UK eliminate gun crimes? No. It did not. There are over ten thousand gun crimes in the UK every year and the rate is increasing.

How many US police officers have ever been harmed by a legally licensed concealed firearm? I'll give you the answer to that one. None. In fact, on many occasions they have been defended by them.

Spiderman himself guided the police to an extremely dangerous violent armed criminal because he had a legal firearm and chased the guy down. Earlier this SOS had kidnapped a woman and her baby by holding a gun to the baby's head. This guy is behind bars now because Spiderman was armed.</span>