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Soflasnapper
01-29-2011, 06:30 PM
David Frum (former W speechwriter) says that since Fox didn't air Michelle Bachman's SOTU rebuttal, "the tea party's over."

We'll see, but should Fox stop promoting them and their events, it will certainly damp down their small numbers. (Our locals here in the Tea Party used to muster a couple dozen people on the corner.)

Qtec
01-29-2011, 07:36 PM
You might enjoy this. Its exceptional.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It really isn't any news to our readers that Frank Luntz is one of the most ethics-challenged "pollsters" out there, particularly since he really has had so much influence on our national discourse by his significant role in shaping right-wing talking points.

But as Ellen at NewsHounds observed the other day, <u>he really reached new depths with his dog-and-pony "focus group" on Fox News with Sean Hannity that followed President Obama's State of the Union address -- because it was so obviously larded up with Obama-haters:</u> </div></div>

Watch the farce here. link (http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/frank-luntz-gets-called-out-his-phon)

I could only watch half. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/sick.gif A bunch of morons parroting Luntz TPs with Hanna-titty doing the cheer leading.

This wasn't a news or entertainment programme, it was an attack ad against the POTUS of the worst kind.

Fair and Balanced? Somebody should sue them.



Q

pooltchr
01-29-2011, 09:27 PM
Keep telling yourself that.

Steve

LWW
01-30-2011, 05:26 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">David Frum (former W speechwriter) says that since Fox didn't air Michelle Bachman's SOTU rebuttal, "the tea party's over."

We'll see, but should Fox stop promoting them and their events, it will certainly damp down their small numbers. (Our locals here in the Tea Party used to muster a couple dozen people on the corner.) </div></div>

When did Fox "PROMOTE THEIR EVENTS" and please cite actual knowledge ... IE non spoon fed.

Let me give you some data the party will want you to gouge your eyes out for daring to read.

I actually helped promote some TP events here. I am about to explain to you how the leftist media lies to the naive O-cult.

The local ABC affiliate would not sell us air time to promote the event.

The local NBC affiliate would not sell us air time to promote the event.

The local CBS affiliate would not sell us air time to promote the event.

The local WB affiliate would not sell us air time to promote the event.

The local Time-Warner affiliate would not sell us air time to promote the event.

The local Fox affiliate would sell us air time to promote the event.

That was the extent of how Fox would "PROMOTE THEIR EVENTS" ... they wouldn't participate in a conspiracy to silence political opposition to the regime.

You have, again, been played by the regime's lie machine like Perlman plays a Strad.

LWW

LWW
01-30-2011, 05:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Keep telling yourself that.

Steve </div></div>

Let their be no doubt ... they will.

If you remember, before the TPM got a foothold I was explaining to our resident leftist intellectual elites that dear leader was unifying and motivating the centrist and conservative sections of America in a way that the GOP could only dream of.

LWW

Qtec
01-30-2011, 06:09 AM
link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAB-ZdH7_No&feature=related)

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynTLYkvy-Kw)

why the right hates media matters (http://mediamatters.org/reports/200904080025)

Q

LWW
01-30-2011, 06:16 AM
Thanks for proving my point.

Fox covers the TP as news.

The balance covers it with the typical propaganda supplied by the regime's slime machine.

Face it ... you know nothing of the topic other than what "OPINION" has been spoon fed to you, and you certainly lack the testicular fortitude to step outside the leftist echo chamber and investigate it.

Proceed ... what did they tell you to say next?

LWW

Stretch
01-30-2011, 07:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for proving my point.

Fox covers the TP as news.

The balance covers it with the typical propaganda supplied by the regime's slime machine.

Face it ... you know nothing of the topic other than what "OPINION" has been spoon fed to you, and you certainly lack the testicular fortitude to step outside the leftist echo chamber and investigate it.

Proceed ... what did they tell you to say next?

LWW </div></div>

Who are "they"? St.

hondo
01-30-2011, 08:00 AM
/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

LWW
01-30-2011, 08:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for proving my point.

Fox covers the TP as news.

The balance covers it with the typical propaganda supplied by the regime's slime machine.

Face it ... you know nothing of the topic other than what "OPINION" has been spoon fed to you, and you certainly lack the testicular fortitude to step outside the leftist echo chamber and investigate it.

Proceed ... what did they tell you to say next?

LWW </div></div>

Who are "they"? St. </div></div>

Your masters in the regime.

That brings up a good point ... I am on several e-mail lists such as the RNC, DNC, and OFA.

I get the moonbat crazy left's talking points for the day every AM for David Pfoofer at OFA.

Following that ... turn on MSNBC/CNN/HNN/CBS/CNBC/ABC/NBC/BBCA et al and there are those same talking points being regurgitated.

Click on PuffingtonHost/DailyKook/DemocrookUnderground et al and the same talking points are parroted yet again.

Come here ... and I have the cabal howling the same talking points at the top of their collectivist lungs.

It gets old.

Aren't any of you capable of independent thought?

LWW

pooltchr
01-30-2011, 09:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Aren't any of you capable of independent thought?

LWW </div></div>

If they were, they wouldn't be leftists!

Steve

LWW
01-30-2011, 12:11 PM
Touche'.

LWW

Soflasnapper
01-30-2011, 12:36 PM
When did Fox "PROMOTE THEIR EVENTS" and please cite actual knowledge ... IE non spoon fed.

Not sure what you mean by spoon fed. I had to look it up for exact citation since I do not have a photographic memory (although I remember the real time evidence as it occurred as well). Since I don't pay for Lexis/Nexus database access, I use a source that does.

O'Reilly's book calls Beck and Palin the leaders of the Tea Party. Fox repeatedly topped its on-air graphics promos for various regional Tea Party meetings with their own brand name: "FNC Tax Day Tea Parties." A dozen or more Fox hosts or contributors were featured headliners around the country. Fox made links to a calendar of events available so you can find a tea party near you. If you couldn't make it to one of the events, Fox created a virtual tea party one could 'attend' on line. One of their hosts took his entire show to a tea party and broadcast from there. Stuart Varney said 'It's now my great duty to promote the tea parties. Here we go!' (link below)

And then there are the following facts:

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Hosting the party: Fox aired at least 20 segments, 73 promos on "tea party" protests -- in just 8 days

Fox News' Hemmer: "Can't get to a tea party? Fox Nation hosts a virtual tea party.

Fox News "hops" aboard Tea Party Express with rampant promotions, live coverage

Media verdict is in: Fox News driving force behind tea parties

On the house: Fox aired 107 ads for its coverage of tea party protests over 10 days

"I saw it on Fox": Dozens of articles on local tea parties report Fox News had a hand in them

Fox News' tea party coverage makes mockery of claim that network provides "straight ... news" in daytime

Fox host Varney: 'It's now my great duty to promote the tea parties. Here we go!'</div></div>

Live links for each of these items here (http://mediamatters.org/blog/201002060020)

Soflasnapper
01-30-2011, 12:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Aren't any of you capable of independent thought?

LWW </div></div>

If they were, they wouldn't be leftists!

Steve </div></div>

Oh? Then there's this:

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."

--John Stuart Mill

Although I count John Stuart Mill's writings among my most significant early inspirations, I don't subscribe to his particular claim here.

Nor can its opposite be maintained, in my view.

Lots of stupid people around on both sides.

LWW
01-30-2011, 12:56 PM
News coverage is not sponsorship.

Words mean things.

Please use them properly.

LWW

LWW
01-30-2011, 12:59 PM
That list was simply precious.

By that convoluted definition MSNBC is promoting the revolt in Egypt.

LWW

LWW
01-30-2011, 01:06 PM
This is from one of your links.

You really should read them first.

Media Matters, a democrook party organ, offers this article as their piece de resistance evidence of Fox News sponsoring the tea party:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While President Barack Obama was the subject of much of the ire, TEA Party protesters outside Odessa City Hall were hardly towing the Republican party line.

"I don't want big federal government or big local government," speaker Dawn Tucker said. "We're looking for leadership, and who we have in Washington is not providing it."

Rep. Mike Conaway, R-Midland, and Republican U.S. Senators John Cornyn and Kay Bailey Hutchison took their share of grief from the rally, which was one of hundreds organized across the country on tax day to oppose higher government spending. The events are modeled after the original Boston Tea Party.

Matt Pippen, an 18-year-old Monahans High School debate student, took issue with Conaway's vote in favor of the $700 billion federal Troubled Asset Relief Program last year, as well as taking $12.5 million in earmarks from the $410 billion omnibus bill.

"They are hypocrites that they did not take their earmarks out of their bill," he said of the state's representatives.

The crowd had lukewarm responses to statements from Conaway and Cornyn read during the event.

"Spoken like a true congressman. Throw him out," one attendee said after a speaker stumbled over some of the large words in Conaway's statement.

One Ron Paul supporter even called the Iraq war "an imperialistic march to benefit Blackwater and Halliburton" while addressing the crowd.

But there were plenty of jabs left over for Obama and the Democratic-controlled Congress.

"I hope that our politicians will figure out that they are elected to represent us," said Merle Miller, who came to the event from Monahans. "We don't want socialism."

A fear of socialism was a recurring theme, along with passing debt on to children and grandchildren - or 26 grandchildren in the case of Donna Ayres of Odessa.

"Not one of them was a punishment, and they don't deserve to be punished in the future," she said. "They're gonna have to pay for all of this if it goes through."

Ayres wore a sign on her back reading, "I'll keep my guns, my Bible, my money. You keep the change."

"We want our freedom back," she said. "We want our country back."

Statements like "I saw it on Fox" were heard around the crowd, which organizers hope will be the first of many in the area. Another TEA Party is scheduled for 10 a.m. Saturday at the Permian Basin Vietnam Veterans Memorial near Midland International Airport.

Stephanie Sparkman, one of the organizers of the event, said more than 500 people had registered at the rally. She said she would use their information in helping plan future protests.

"One of these days, I want to march on Washington," she said. "I want these people to come with us."

Speakers tried to get attendees involved by giving out phone numbers to the White House, as well as representatives. Some wasted no time making the calls.

"I'm at a TEA Party in Odessa, Texas, and we're not taking it anymore," a woman said into her cell phone seconds after the numbers were announced.

Jerry Carroll of Odessa said he looks forward to participating in events like the TEA Party in the future.

"We've got to get more people involved," he said. "You've got to build the momentum to get Congress to do things the right way."

Signs displayed at tea party

&gt;&gt; "No more bailouts...Geithner tax cheat."

&gt;&gt; "I'm only 8 already $36,000 in debt."

&gt;&gt; "Taxation with crappy representation."

&gt;&gt; "Stop rewarding failure."

&gt;&gt; "You won the election not the lottery."

&gt;&gt; "Socialism kills!"

&gt;&gt; "Yes we can stop the bailouts."

&gt;&gt; "USSA."

&gt;&gt; "Commander and thief."

&gt;&gt; "Save my grandchildren, Shut down D.C."

&gt;&gt; "Pirates in Washington? Take back our nation."

&gt;&gt; "Party like it's 1773."

&gt;&gt; "See what happens when you give a junior senator a credit card." </div></div>

The fact that someone actually saw an ad for the event on a Fox affiliate, because they wouldn't participate in the conspiracy to silence the regime's opposition, becomes ... in the mind of the moonbat crazy left ... evidence of, well whatever the regime tells them it's evidence of.

LWW

LWW
01-30-2011, 01:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We'll see, but should Fox stop promoting them and their events, it will certainly damp down their small numbers. (Our locals here in the Tea Party used to muster a couple dozen people on the corner.) </div></div>

How'd that work out in November?

LWW

Soflasnapper
01-30-2011, 01:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">News coverage is not sponsorship.

Words mean things.

Please use them properly.

LWW </div></div>

How is putting their own brand on the tea parties, as in "FNC Tax Day Tea Parties," characterized as news coverage?

Soflasnapper
01-30-2011, 01:46 PM
On the house: Fox aired 107 ads for its coverage of tea party protests over 10 days
April 17, 2009 11:17 am ET


SUMMARY: From April 6 to April 15, Fox News aired at least 107 commercial promotions for their coverage of the April 15 tea parties. The majority of all the ads -- 58 -- ran on April 14 and 15.

From April 6 to April 15, Fox News aired at least 107 commercial promotions for their coverage of the tea party protests that took place on April 15. As Media Matters for America has documented, Fox News aggressively promoted the events in recent weeks, encouraging viewers to get involved with tea party protests across the country. Indeed, Fox News repeatedly described them as "FNC Tax Day Tea Parties." On April 15, four of the network's hosts broadcast live from various tea parties.

Of the 107 ads, 58 were 10-second spots promoting a specific Fox News program that would be covering the events. The programs promoted in the 10-second spots were: Your World with Neil Cavuto, Glenn Beck, The O'Reilly Factor, Hannity, and On the Record with Greta Van Susteren. Of those five, only The O'Reilly Factor did not offer live coverage of the protests from one of the tea party sites. Forty-nine of the ads aired were 30-second spots that promoted Fox News' "fair and balanced network coverage -- live" of the tea parties.

hondo
01-30-2011, 01:52 PM
Excellent post.

pooltchr
01-30-2011, 02:29 PM
What I find really interesting is how both parties have made every effort to discredit the TP movement. The natural question would be, why?
And the only answer I can come up with is that an uprising of average Americans against the widespread corruption in Washington on both sides could threaten their very existence.
Reps and Dems have a monopoly on running the biggest government in the world. That means they hold all the power. They use each other to promote themselves, and no matter what happens, one group of the two will always have the majority. It doesn't really matter which group is in charge, because the people will eventually get fed up with the group in charge, and put the other group back in charge for a while.
The biggest threat to their hold on power would be for a group of people who actually are concerned for what is best for the country to get in power, and show the two parties for what they really are.
That's why the left deamonizes the TP, and why the Reps try to marginalize them.
True conservatives who actually want smaller government, lower taxes, and decreased spending go against the very core of the two major parties.

They are all scared of the TP, and will continue to do everything they can to destroy them.

Steve

LWW
01-30-2011, 03:20 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">News coverage is not sponsorship.

Words mean things.

Please use them properly.

LWW </div></div>

How is putting their own brand on the tea parties, as in "FNC Tax Day Tea Parties," characterized as news coverage? </div></div>

That was easy ... but, of course, I have an unfair advantage in that I clicked through MM's link and actually read their "PROOF" of the totally ridiculous claim, which I quote here:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">On the February 27 edition of On the Record, host Greta Van Susteren said: " 'Tea party' protests are erupting across the country. Angry taxpayers, or at least some of them, are taking to the streets in the spirit of the Boston Tea Party. People are protesting President Obama's massive $787 billion stimulus bill, his $3.55 trillion budget and a federal government that has been ballooning by the day since the president took office." <span style="color: #3366FF">Factual reporting. If that is your definition of endorsement ... then every news station in America is supporting murder/rape/arson/kidnapping/burglary because they report on it.</span>

On the March 16 edition of The O'Reilly Factor, host Bill O'Reilly said that "big government spending protests are taking place all over the country. The latest in Cincinnati where about 5,000 folks showed up, showed their displeasure with the Obama's administration money strategy. These gatherings are being dubbed tea parties." <span style="color: #3366FF">WOW! What more proof could you want ... other than any?</span>

On the March 25 edition of Special Report, host Bret Baier said that the tea parties are "protests of wasteful government spending in general and of President Obama's stimulus package and his budget in particular." <span style="color: #3366FF">Factual reporting. Where is the endorsement?</span>

During the April 6 edition of America's Newsroom, FoxNews.com contributor Andrea Tantaros said of the protests: "People are fighting against Barack Obama's radical shift to turn us into Europe." <span style="color: #3366FF">Factual reporting as that is what the TP protesters were saying.</span> Fox News also aired on-screen text stating that the "Tea Parties Are Anti-Stimulus Demonstrations." <span style="color: #3366FF">Again, a factual bit of reporting as that was one of the main points of the protests.</span></div></div>

Where you, OTOH, gladly accepted MM's lie because it supported your foregone conclusion.

Now, after two whiffs at slo-pitch softballs, all you have presented is what I already told you ... Fox was the only network to not participate in the conspiracy. IOW your definition of sponsoring the events is, in fact, by your own links merely reporting on the events.

Do you actually have anything which supports your contention, as opposed to bolstering mine, to present? Or, will you merely post up another MM headline that you dare not investigate on your own?

LWW

Stretch
01-30-2011, 03:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for proving my point.

Fox covers the TP as news.

The balance covers it with the typical propaganda supplied by the regime's slime machine.

Face it ... you know nothing of the topic other than what "OPINION" has been spoon fed to you, and you certainly lack the testicular fortitude to step outside the leftist echo chamber and investigate it.

Proceed ... what did they tell you to say next?

LWW </div></div>

Who are "they"? St. </div></div>

Your masters in the regime.

That brings up a good point ... I am on several e-mail lists such as the RNC, DNC, and OFA.

I get the moonbat crazy left's talking points for the day every AM for David Pfoofer at OFA.

Following that ... turn on MSNBC/CNN/HNN/CBS/CNBC/ABC/NBC/BBCA et al and there are those same talking points being regurgitated.

Click on PuffingtonHost/DailyKook/DemocrookUnderground et al and the same talking points are parroted yet again.

Come here ... and I have the cabal howling the same talking points at the top of their collectivist lungs.

It gets old.

Aren't any of you capable of independent thought?

LWW </div></div>

You avoided my question (no surprise). who are these mythical masters who provide all those news outlets with what to say. I need names, i need to find the source of such global mind control.

So now you're trying to say that independant thought is the sole domain of the right wing. Your irrationality is shinning through. Please take a sedative before any more conspiracy theories consume your life. St.

LWW
01-30-2011, 04:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You avoided my question (no surprise). who are these mythical masters who provide all those news outlets with what to say. I need names, i need to find the source of such global mind control. </div></div>

Actually ... I gave you names, sites, and channels.

The fact that you don't like an answer doesn't mean you weren't given one.

As to independent thought being the sole province of the center and tight? Not at all ... but it is far more prevalent there.

The more towards the true liberal end of the spectrum one goes ... the anti big gubmint pro liberty pro responsibility right ... the more likely independent thought is likely to be found. It's not 100%, but it's close.

OTOH, the farther one goes to the faux liberal ... pro big state big gubmint anti liberty anti personal responsibility left ... the less likely it is to be found.

About as far left as one can go and maintain independent thought, in my estimation, would be somewhere around Humphrey/Muskie/Lieberman.

Virtually all of the democrooks in congress are far ... and I mean way far ... to the left of that.

LWW &lt;---Doing the thinking the US far left just won't do anymore.

JohnnyD
01-30-2011, 04:56 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You avoided my question (no surprise). who are these mythical masters who provide all those news outlets with what to say. I need names, i need to find the source of such global mind control. </div></div>

Actually ... I gave you names, sites, and channels.

The fact that you don't like an answer doesn't mean you weren't given one.

As to independent thought being the sole province of the center and tight? Not at all ... but it is far more prevalent there.

The more towards the true liberal end of the spectrum one goes ... the anti big gubmint pro liberty pro responsibility right ... the more likely independent thought is likely to be found. It's not 100%, but it's close.

OTOH, the farther one goes to the faux liberal ... pro big state big gubmint anti liberty anti personal responsibility left ... the less likely it is to be found.

About as far left as one can go and maintain independent thought, in my estimation, would be somewhere around Humphrey/Muskie/Lieberman.

Virtually all of the democrooks in congress are far ... and I mean way far ... to the left of that.

LWW &lt;---Doing the thinking the US far left just won't do anymore. </div></div> Excellent post.

JohnnyD
01-30-2011, 04:58 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Excellent post. </div></div>
The truth will set you free !

LWW
01-30-2011, 04:58 PM
I got the humor, our leftists won't.

LWW

JohnnyD
01-30-2011, 05:08 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I got the humor, our leftists won't.

LWW </div></div> You are always right.I see now why many call you the Dalai Lama of the internet.Please keep up the very informative posts.Jesus loves you.Cheers to you professor.

Soflasnapper
01-30-2011, 05:59 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

How is putting their own brand on the tea parties, as in "FNC Tax Day Tea Parties," characterized as news coverage? </div></div>

That was easy ... but, of course, I have an unfair advantage in that I clicked through MM's link and actually read their "PROOF" of the totally ridiculous claim, which I quote here:

Where you, OTOH, gladly accepted MM's lie because it supported your foregone conclusion.

Now, after two whiffs at slo-pitch softballs, all you have presented is what I already told you ... Fox was the only network to not participate in the conspiracy. IOW your definition of sponsoring the events is, in fact, by your own links merely reporting on the events.

Do you actually have anything which supports your contention, as opposed to bolstering mine, to present? Or, will you merely post up another MM headline that you dare not investigate on your own?

LWW [/quote]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

How is putting their own brand on the tea parties, as in "FNC Tax Day Tea Parties," characterized as news coverage? </div></div>

You didn't address this whatsoever, I notice.

They themselves called these events their own by putting their name on them, apparently.

Or at least none of your spell-binding research you've cited so far shows anything different, despite your claim that that one was 'easy.' So easy, you forgot to mention it?

Soflasnapper
01-30-2011, 06:13 PM
Even Fox decided Hannity had crossed the line, making their corporate claim that they reported on, but did not promote, the Tea Party so hard to maintain had he gone forward, that they pulled the plug on his planned Cincinnati appearance, where they were selling admission based on his being there.

NYT: Hannity scandal "caused consternation inside Fox ... over its perceived closeness to ... Tea Party movement"

April 16, 2010 11:25 pm ET by Media Matters staff

From an April 16 New York Times article:

For more than a week on his Fox News show, Sean Hannity promoted his planned Tax Day attendance at a Tea Party rally in Cincinnati. But as hundreds of Mr. Hannity's fans lined up for a pre-rally book signing there on Thursday, he was whisked back to New York, his plans scrapped by his bosses at the last minute.

Fox News executives said they canceled because they did not know that the Tea Party organizers were raising money based on Mr. Hannity's widely promoted attendance at the rally. But Mr. Hannity's producers at Fox were aware for months that tickets were being sold, said Chris Littleton, the president of the Cincinnati Tea Party, a nonprofit group. And Mr. Hannity mentioned the sales on his TV show a week ago.

The incident caused consternation inside Fox News Channel, which is a unit of the News Corporation, over its perceived closeness to the antigovernment Tea Party movement, especially in its highly rated opinion shows.

The network has faced regular accusations that it is promoting - not just covering - the Tea Party movement, something that its executives deny.

Stretch
01-30-2011, 08:23 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You avoided my question (no surprise). who are these mythical masters who provide all those news outlets with what to say. I need names, i need to find the source of such global mind control. </div></div>

Actually ... I gave you names, sites, and channels.

The fact that you don't like an answer doesn't mean you weren't given one.

As to independent thought being the sole province of the center and tight? Not at all ... but it is far more prevalent there.

The more towards the true liberal end of the spectrum one goes ... the anti big gubmint pro liberty pro responsibility right ... the more likely independent thought is likely to be found. It's not 100%, but it's close.

OTOH, the farther one goes to the faux liberal ... pro big state big gubmint anti liberty anti personal responsibility left ... the less likely it is to be found.

About as far left as one can go and maintain independent thought, in my estimation, would be somewhere around Humphrey/Muskie/Lieberman.

Virtually all of the democrooks in congress are far ... and I mean way far ... to the left of that.

LWW &lt;---Doing the thinking the US far left just won't do anymore. </div></div>

You gave me nothing, but a bunch of main stream media outlets as the source for ALL these talking points and mind control spoonfulls that has apparently rendered us incapable of critical thought.....ummmmm, that's quite a theory you got there Larr. But you, YOU have the pure truth and the key to eternal happyness and contentment. You are the true light of knowledge and sole pervayour of the rightious, unadultorated, god blessed truth........Ya you are crazy, don't fight it you may be eligable for a medical pension if you play your cards right. St.

hondo
01-30-2011, 09:54 PM
Was able to read this on my yahoo account, sev, unfortunately.
Actully they call him the Dalai Parton of boobs. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

hondo
01-30-2011, 10:03 PM
Snapper, you are a pleasant addition to this forum.

And you don't seem as crotchety as Q.

( Just kidding, Q) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

JohnnyD
01-30-2011, 10:11 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was able to read this on my yahoo account, sev, unfortunately.
Actully they call him the Dalai Parton of boobs. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif </div></div>
You need to set yourself in a tranquil setting and practice tai chi.Then sip slowly on a fine scotch of your choice.Since you are grossly overweight i would highly recommend that you not partake in fine chocolates like Godiva or Frango mints.Perhaps a salad and a large amount of olive oil will loosen you up.The truth will set you neo-cons free.Let the truth be told.Then and only then will you be free.Jesus loves you.
Until then i toast a fine scotch from my cellar in your name.You are welcome to join our prayer group at anytime.Jesus loves you.

JohnnyD
01-30-2011, 10:16 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Snapper, you are a pleasant addition to this forum.

And you don't seem as crotchety as Q.

( Just kidding, Q) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif </div></div> Ad hominem attacks are not necessary here.Please clean up your life.Jesus loves you.

LWW
01-31-2011, 12:51 AM
Excellent post.

LWW

LWW
01-31-2011, 12:53 AM
So your "PROOF" that Fox sponsored the TPM is that Fox stopped one of it's stars from supporting the TPM?

Have you ever read Orwell?

Perhaps aitch will let you borrow his copy since it's never been opened.

LWW

JohnnyD
01-31-2011, 01:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So your "PROOF" that Fox sponsored the TPM is that Fox stopped one of it's stars from supporting the TPM?

Have you ever read Orwell?

Perhaps aitch will let you borrow his copy since it's never been opened.

LWW </div></div>Excellent post.

Stretch
01-31-2011, 07:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JohnnyD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So your "PROOF" that Fox sponsored the TPM is that Fox stopped one of it's stars from supporting the TPM?

Have you ever read Orwell?

Perhaps aitch will let you borrow his copy since it's never been opened.

LWW </div></div>Excellent post. </div></div>

Is it just me, or does johnny's man crush on LWW sound strangely similar to Sev's fawning on his every word, minus the religious overtones. St.

pooltchr
01-31-2011, 08:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Is it just me, or does johnny's man crush on LWW sound strangely similar to Sev's fawning on his every word, minus the religious overtones. St. </div></div>

It's probably just you. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Steve

Gayle in MD
01-31-2011, 09:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Aren't any of you capable of independent thought?

LWW </div></div>

If they were, they wouldn't be leftists!

Steve </div></div>

Oh? Then there's this:

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."

--John Stuart Mill

Although I count John Stuart Mill's writings among my most significant early inspirations, I don't subscribe to his particular claim here.

Nor can its opposite be maintained, in my view.

Lots of stupid people around on both sides.




</div></div>

It's not a matter of the numbers, it is a matter of the degree of stupidity.

G.

LWW
01-31-2011, 11:43 AM
Excellent post.

LWW

pooltchr
01-31-2011, 11:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It's not a matter of the numbers, it is a matter of the degree of stupidity.

G. </div></div>

And you have set the standard.

Steve

LWW
01-31-2011, 12:10 PM
To a very high degree no less.

LWW

JohnnyD
01-31-2011, 01:09 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JohnnyD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So your "PROOF" that Fox sponsored the TPM is that Fox stopped one of it's stars from supporting the TPM?

Have you ever read Orwell?

Perhaps aitch will let you borrow his copy since it's never been opened.

LWW </div></div>Excellent post. </div></div>

Is it just me, or does johnny's man crush on LWW sound strangely similar to Sev's fawning on his every word, minus the religious overtones. St. </div></div>It is just you sir i can assure you.Might i recommend taking up billiards playing at your local establishment for entertainment.

JohnnyD
01-31-2011, 01:40 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It's not a matter of the numbers, it is a matter of the degree of stupidity.

G. </div></div>

And you have set the standard.

Steve </div></div>Excellent post

JohnnyD
01-31-2011, 01:42 PM
Excellent post.

hondo
01-31-2011, 02:30 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JohnnyD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So your "PROOF" that Fox sponsored the TPM is that Fox stopped one of it's stars from supporting the TPM?

Have you ever read Orwell?

Perhaps aitch will let you borrow his copy since it's never been opened.

LWW </div></div>Excellent post. </div></div>

Is it just me, or does johnny's man crush on LWW sound strangely similar to Sev's fawning on his every word, minus the religious overtones. St. </div></div>

I would think by now that everyone has figured out that sev and johnny d. are one in the same.

hondo
01-31-2011, 02:43 PM
Poor steve.

hondo
01-31-2011, 02:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Aren't any of you capable of independent thought?

LWW </div></div>

If they were, they wouldn't be leftists!

Steve </div></div>

Oh? Then there's this:

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."

--John Stuart Mill

Although I count John Stuart Mill's writings among my most significant early inspirations, I don't subscribe to his particular claim here.

Nor can its opposite be maintained, in my view.

Lots of stupid people around on both sides.




</div></div>

It's not a matter of the numbers, it is a matter of the degree of stupidity.

G. </div></div>

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

pooltchr
01-31-2011, 03:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Poor steve. </div></div>

What's the matter? Not getting enough attention again?

Should we send a note to the Mrs and suggest she give you more attention at home?

Steve

LWW
01-31-2011, 05:20 PM
Excellent post.

LWW

JohnnyD
01-31-2011, 05:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Poor steve. </div></div>

What's the matter? Not getting enough attention again?

Should we send a note to the Mrs and suggest she give you more attention at home?

Steve </div></div>I certainly hope he is treating his house keeper well.

JohnnyD
01-31-2011, 05:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Poor steve. </div></div>

What's the matter? Not getting enough attention again?

Should we send a note to the Mrs and suggest she give you more attention at home?

Steve </div></div>Getting to the truth is hard.The truth will set him free.

JohnnyD
01-31-2011, 05:53 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JohnnyD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So your "PROOF" that Fox sponsored the TPM is that Fox stopped one of it's stars from supporting the TPM?

Have you ever read Orwell?

Perhaps aitch will let you borrow his copy since it's never been opened.

LWW </div></div>Excellent post. </div></div>gayle,is that you?

Is it just me, or does johnny's man crush on LWW sound strangely similar to Sev's fawning on his every word, minus the religious overtones. St. </div></div>

I would think by now that everyone has figured out that sev and johnny d. are one in the same. </div></div>

Soflasnapper
01-31-2011, 07:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So your "PROOF" that Fox sponsored the TPM is that Fox stopped one of it's stars from supporting the TPM?

Have you ever read Orwell?

Perhaps aitch will let you borrow his copy since it's never been opened.

LWW </div></div>

For the last time, I will point out I provide evidence, not proof. Evidence that may mount up to eventually amount in total to be proof, and perhaps to any reasonable person, but that is a subjective standard.

Clearly, Fox knew all about this promotion, that there would be a ticket price, and they were headlining Sean Hannity to get that price. Hannity himself said this on his own show.

So they were SHOCKED!, SHOCKED! (not shocked), and under pressure, made an 11th hour order to cancel that probably DID shock Hannity, since they hadn't said word one against that plan although it was clear for weeks.

How long can you avoid the evidence that Fox itself put their own name and brand as the headlined graphic on the tea parties, quoting myself for the third or fourth time, "FNC Tax Day Tea Parties," with another graphic showing four tea party sites on the map, with their city names, and the large graphics of four of their on-air hosts FACES on those cities?

hondo
01-31-2011, 09:59 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So your "PROOF" that Fox sponsored the TPM is that Fox stopped one of it's stars from supporting the TPM?

Have you ever read Orwell?

Perhaps aitch will let you borrow his copy since it's never been opened.

LWW </div></div>

For the last time, I will point out I provide evidence, not proof. Evidence that may mount up to eventually amount in total to be proof, and perhaps to any reasonable person, but that is a subjective standard.

Clearly, Fox knew all about this promotion, that there would be a ticket price, and they were headlining Sean Hannity to get that price. Hannity himself said this on his own show.

So they were SHOCKED!, SHOCKED! (not shocked), and under pressure, made an 11th hour order to cancel that probably DID shock Hannity, since they hadn't said word one against that plan although it was clear for weeks.

How long can you avoid the evidence that Fox itself put their own name and brand as the headlined graphic on the tea parties, quoting myself for the third or fourth time, "FNC Tax Day Tea Parties," with another graphic showing four tea party sites on the map, with their city names, and the large graphics of four of their on-air hosts FACES on those cities? </div></div>

Excellent post.

JohnnyD
01-31-2011, 10:33 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So your "PROOF" that Fox sponsored the TPM is that Fox stopped one of it's stars from supporting the TPM?

Have you ever read Orwell?

Perhaps aitch will let you borrow his copy since it's never been opened.

LWW </div></div>

For the last time, I will point out I provide evidence, not proof. Evidence that may mount up to eventually amount in total to be proof, and perhaps to any reasonable person, but that is a subjective standard.

Clearly, Fox knew all about this promotion, that there would be a ticket price, and they were headlining Sean Hannity to get that price. Hannity himself said this on his own show.

So they were SHOCKED!, SHOCKED! (not shocked), and under pressure, made an 11th hour order to cancel that probably DID shock Hannity, since they hadn't said word one against that plan although it was clear for weeks.

How long can you avoid the evidence that Fox itself put their own name and brand as the headlined graphic on the tea parties, quoting myself for the third or fourth time, "FNC Tax Day Tea Parties," with another graphic showing four tea party sites on the map, with their city names, and the large graphics of four of their on-air hosts FACES on those cities? </div></div>

Excellent post. </div></div>Great sentence structure.Words correctly spelled.Alot of effort and soul searching went into this post.Perhaps he is now receiving the medication he so desperatly needs.We must watch this one very closely from now on.Jesus loves him.

LWW
02-01-2011, 04:09 AM
Yet he still suffers from the same issue ... he does not understand the meaning of the words.

Quite disappointing for a supposed "ENGLISH TEACHER OF THE YEAR" ...

LWW

JohnnyD
02-01-2011, 11:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hondo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JohnnyD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So your "PROOF" that Fox sponsored the TPM is that Fox stopped one of it's stars from supporting the TPM?

Have you ever read Orwell?

Perhaps aitch will let you borrow his copy since it's never been opened.

LWW </div></div>Excellent post. </div></div>

Is it just me, or does johnny's man crush on LWW sound strangely similar to Sev's fawning on his every word, minus the religious overtones. St. </div></div>

I would think by now that everyone has figured out that sev and johnny d. are one in the same. </div></div>Patient diagnosed as bipolor continues to focas only as one within himself.