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Qtec
01-31-2011, 05:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'><span style="color: #3333FF">John Boehner Claims Spending Cuts Will Create Jobs</span>

Is anyone else as tired of this latest talking points by Republicans that continually goes <u>unchallenged by the media </u>--</span> spending cuts are going to create jobs. John Boehner claims he's got hundreds of economists who agree with him after Chris Wallace points out that a lot of economists don't agree with him, but of course Wallace didn't bother to ask him what some of their names were.

How about we fix our trade laws and quit rewarding companies for outsourcing American jobs? Heaven forbid that never seems to be part of the conversation from our politicians when the topic of jobs comes up. </div></div>

Cutting jobs creates jobs????

Another GOP lie,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As the failed trillion dollar stimulus proved, increased government spending did not create the millions of jobs promised and only added to our record-breaking deficits </div></div>
Its just another RW propaganda TP based on belief and not in fact.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Failed stimulus? Are we in the midst of another Great Depression? No? Wasn't that the purpose of the stimulus, to pull us back from the brink? The only reason it didn't do better were all the stupid concessions added to get the Republicans to sign off on it. And as far as jobs are concerned, the unemployment rate is still bleak, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>but to ignore that the Obama administration -- even with all the obstruction placed before them by the Republican Party -- <span style="color: #CC0000">managed to create more jobs in 2010 than Bush did in all eight years of his term put together is fundamentally disinforming the public.</span></span>

But that's the plan for the GOP. If you get enough right wing people on traditional media and right wing blogs repeating ad nauseam that the stimulus didn't work, well, then no one challenges these failed ideas that Boehner advocates </div></div>


Its getting more like 1984 than ever. Even after the GOP have been called on their deliberate misinforming, all they do is crank it up a notch!

shameless (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/john-boehner-claims-spending-cuts-will-cre)

Q

LWW
01-31-2011, 05:52 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>but to ignore that the Obama administration -- even with all the obstruction placed before them by the Republican Party -- <span style="color: #CC0000">managed to create more jobs in 2010 than Bush did in all eight years of his term put together is fundamentally disinforming the public.</span></span></div></div>


Its getting more like 1984 than ever. Even after the GOP have been called on their deliberate misinforming, all they do is crank it up a notch!

shameless (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/john-boehner-claims-spending-cuts-will-cre)

Q </div></div>

Yes it is.

The regime spouts a lie and, no matter how ridiculous, you accept it.

The regime's own BLS fugure betray the lie ... but that won't stop you from clinging desperately to it:

http://global.nationalreview.com/dest/2010/10/12/image002.jpg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let’s look at the Bureau of Labor Statistics data.

During the Bush presidency, net total employment went up by 1.08 million jobs. So far, during the Obama presidency, total employment has been reduced by 3.3 million jobs.

Under Bush, private employment shrank by 673,000 jobs, federal employment grew by 50,000 jobs, and government employment grew by 1,753,000 jobs.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Under Obama, the private sector has shed some 2.9 million jobs</span> while the federal government has grown by 40,000 (after growing massively, the federal workforce shrank throughout the summer). Total government jobs, however, shrank by 357,000 jobs, mainly because of cuts at the state and local levels. </div></div>

OH DEAR! (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/249516/job-creation-bush-vs-obama-veronique-de-rugy)
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a247/lww/ONLINE%20ARGUMENTS/Snoopy.jpg

Snoopy logic:

<span style='font-size: 8pt'>+1,080,000</span> jobs under Bush.

<span style='font-size: 26pt'><span style='font-family: Arial Black'>-3,300,000</span></span> jobs under Obama.

See how much bigger the number is under Obama ... and how much smaller under Bush.

LWW &lt;---Finding the research the American left just won't do anymore.

Qtec
01-31-2011, 06:28 AM
The first comment under the link says this.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">UtahChris

01/25/11 23:06

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Let's see this same chart using the same time period for both Bush and Obama. Last two years of Bush vs. first two years of Obama.

Your chart shows average job losses over 8 years of Bush. Most of that time we were in the midst of an economic bubble that hadn't yet burst. Obama started at literally the low point of near economic Armageddon (people have now lost their memory of just how precipitously close we were to a total banking collapse).

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>So, nice job manipulating the timeline to fit your political inclination.</span> As far as what you can learn from the chart, not much.
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Of course, you lapped it up from the spoon.

link (http://thinkprogress.org/2011/01/07/obama-more-jobs-bush/)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama Created More Jobs In One Year Than Bush Created In Eight

This morning, the Labor Department released its employment data for December, showing that the U.S. economy ended the year by adding 113,000 private sector jobs, knocking the unemployment rate down sharply from 9.8 percent to 9.4 percent — its lowest rate since July 2009. The “surprising drop — which was far better than the modest step-down economists had forecast — was the steepest one-month fall since 1998.” October and November’s jobs numbers were also revised upward by almost 80,000 each. Still, 14.5 million Americans remain unemployed, and jobs will have to be created much faster in coming months for the country to pull itself out of the economic doldrums.

Responding the jobs report, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) noted that President Obama and the Democratic Congress have created “more jobs in 2010 than President Bush did over eight years.”

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>Indeed, from February 2001, Bush’s first full month in office, through January 2009, his last, the economy added just 1 million jobs. By contrast, in 2010 alone, the economy added at least 1.1 million jobs.</span> This chart, produced by Pelosi’s office, demonstrates the difference between the Bush administration and the Obama administration on jobs: </div></div>

Bush gave billions to the 'job creators' and it didn't work.

Can you explain that?



<span style="color: #990000"> Yeah, it wasn't enough.......LOL</span>





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LWW
01-31-2011, 06:38 AM
The correct comparison would be to do a run from January, 1995 through December, 2006 ... the (R) cogress ... and another from January, 2007 through January, 2011 under the (D) congress.

Would you like to run those numbers?

LWW

Gayle in MD
01-31-2011, 09:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'><span style="color: #3333FF">John Boehner Claims Spending Cuts Will Create Jobs</span>

Is anyone else as tired of this latest talking points by Republicans that continually goes <u>unchallenged by the media </u>--</span> spending cuts are going to create jobs. John Boehner claims he's got hundreds of economists who agree with him after Chris Wallace points out that a lot of economists don't agree with him, but of course Wallace didn't bother to ask him what some of their names were.

How about we fix our trade laws and quit rewarding companies for outsourcing American jobs? Heaven forbid that never seems to be part of the conversation from our politicians when the topic of jobs comes up. </div></div>

Cutting jobs creates jobs????

Another GOP lie,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As the failed trillion dollar stimulus proved, increased government spending did not create the millions of jobs promised and only added to our record-breaking deficits </div></div>
Its just another RW propaganda TP based on belief and not in fact.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Failed stimulus? Are we in the midst of another Great Depression? No? Wasn't that the purpose of the stimulus, to pull us back from the brink? The only reason it didn't do better were all the stupid concessions added to get the Republicans to sign off on it. And as far as jobs are concerned, the unemployment rate is still bleak, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>but to ignore that the Obama administration -- even with all the obstruction placed before them by the Republican Party -- <span style="color: #CC0000">managed to create more jobs in 2010 than Bush did in all eight years of his term put together is fundamentally disinforming the public.</span></span>

But that's the plan for the GOP. If you get enough right wing people on traditional media and right wing blogs repeating ad nauseam that the stimulus didn't work, well, then no one challenges these failed ideas that Boehner advocates </div></div>


Its getting more like 1984 than ever. Even after the GOP have been called on their deliberate misinforming, all they do is crank it up a notch!

shameless (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/john-boehner-claims-spending-cuts-will-cre)

Q </div></div>

Bush destroyed the country. We have not recovered. Chances of Recovery are now worse than ever. The Christian War on America, continues, Fascism, wrapped in the American Flag, and clutching the Christian Cross..

The Great theologian, Paul Tillich wrote:

"All intitutions including the Christian Chruch are inherently demonic."

G.

LWW
01-31-2011, 11:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The correct comparison would be to do a run from January, 1995 through December, 2006 ... the (R) cogress ... and another from January, 2007 through January, 2011 under the (D) congress.

Would you like to run those numbers?

LWW </div></div>

Nobody thought you would.

Job creation under a republichicken congress:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a247/lww/ChartImgaxd.png

Job destruction under a democrook congress:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a247/lww/ChartImg-1axd.png

Q shooting down El Dubb Dubb's logic:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a247/lww/ONLINE%20ARGUMENTS/Snoopy.jpg

LWW

llotter
02-01-2011, 08:03 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Cutting jobs creates jobs????
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It easy to understand that cutting the dead weight in the destructive sector will automatically ease the burden on the productive sector. Even better if those dead weight folks can move into the productive sector and earn their way doing something people pay for of their own volition.

Gayle in MD
02-01-2011, 08:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Cutting jobs creates jobs????
</div></div>

It easy to understand that cutting the dead weight in the destructive sector will automatically ease the burden on the productive sector. Even better if those dead weight folks can move into the productive sector and earn their way doing something people pay for of their own volition. </div></div>

The last president who accomplished that, was William Jefferson Clinton. Bush, OTOH, proved that tax cuts for the top two percent, do not create jobs.

The Republican Presidents, of recent decades, all grew the government, raised the deficits, cut taxes for the wealthiest, and showed the most weak numbers on job creation.

Clinton created more jobs than Reagan, Bush and Bush, combined, AND moved more people out of poverty, off welfare, and into the job market, than all three of them, combined.

Clinton left a budget surplus, and we had a bright future, the brightest, dollar for dollar, as regards reduced deficits, and a pather to total solvency, we've ever seen in modern times.

Bush destroyed that, blew it, wasted it, with his failed policies, warring while cutting taxes, launching new entitlements, without paying for them, borrowing from communist countries, hiding actual war debts, in Emergency funding, appointing incompetent agency heads. We couoldn't even properly respond to a hurricane. Bush, created weakened oversight, and allowed his own father's clean air and clean water protections, to lapse. he allowed the Brady/Reagan gun controls, to lapse.

Bush's failed policies, no regulation message, supp9orted by greenspan, invited corruption, with his "Ownership Society" policy, as he and Republican Greensapn, failed to appropriateloy raise interest rates, to pump up Bush's numbers, instead of dampening what they KNEW was "Irrational exuberence" in the housing market, which led to the Real Estate Bubble, as they failed to oversee the markets, and the corruption on Wall Street, and in the predatory lending market, as Bush dug the deep hole which President Obama, has been digging us out of for the last two years, since January of 09. TWO YEARS.

We were on the brink of a Depression, Bush said, which could likely last for a decade.

Our current president, has brought our country up from the depths of a decade long, impending BUSH Depression.
We have had six quarters, of growth....consummer confidence, higher than since Bush left office, leaving the country on the brink of Depression.

The automobile industry, is on the rise.

More jobs have been created in two years, under President Obama, than Bush, in eight, and the job losses were at over 750,000 a month, when Bush left.

Oppressed people around the world, inspired by President Obama's speeches, are demanding, and demonstrating for Democracy, in Egypt, AND in Jordan, And, in Africa, which this president realizes, must come from the bottom up, UNLIKE BUSH WHO THOUGHT HE COULD SPREAD DEMOCRACY WITH TORTURE, WARS, KILLING,
GUNS AND BOMBS. Yes, the Republican policies of propping up demented dictators, are proven failures.

Obama's speech portrayed a process, which he supports, and realizes, cannot be forced at the end of a gun, unlike GWB.

The same inspiring inlfuence to which the world responded, the oppressee cheered, with renewed optimism, was awarded and identified as worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize.

President Obama, has been a positive, and amazing influence, around the world, and he has diverted the disastrous legacy, of the Bush Administration, and the Republican Blank Check, drunken spending, Congress.

We have made amazing progress, under President Obama, in foreign considerations, and in economic growth, as economists today, agree, that we have turned the corner, on Bush's Depression/Recession.

G.

Sev
02-01-2011, 08:38 AM
HAHAHHHAHAA!!!!

LWW
02-01-2011, 10:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The correct comparison would be to do a run from January, 1995 through December, 2006 ... the (R) cogress ... and another from January, 2007 through January, 2011 under the (D) congress.

Would you like to run those numbers?

LWW </div></div>

Nobody thought you would.

Job creation under a republichicken congress:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a247/lww/ChartImgaxd.png

Job destruction under a democrook congress:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a247/lww/ChartImg-1axd.png

Q shooting down El Dubb Dubb's logic:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a247/lww/ONLINE%20ARGUMENTS/Snoopy.jpg

LWW </div></div>

Bumped for our illustrious leftists to explain how the data does not support the lies spoon fed to them?

LWW

pooltchr
02-01-2011, 10:07 AM
Once again she demonstrates her inability to remain on topic. I suppose it is because she has no facts to support her position. I'm reaching real hard to understand what her torture arguement has to do with job creation...but I just can't follow her twisted logic.

Steve

LWW
02-01-2011, 10:11 AM
Her posts ARE torture.

Gee's tactics are very simple, and show very poor Alinsky skills.

She simply takes a shotgun approach by tossing as many leftist catchphrases at the discussion as possible ... knowing full well that those preconceived to follow whatever the party tells them to follow will nod their collectivist heads in Pavlovian unison.

LWW

llotter
02-01-2011, 10:44 AM
Obviously Clinton could not be the big spender that he wanted to be because of the Republican Congress, though he did try mightily in the first two years. He also benefited with the 'peace dividend' and cut military forces dramatically and this also benefits the economy but can have other costs.

If you could only take off your partisan hat for a while you might notice that you are making the conservative case...big spending government works against the productive sector and the economy overall. The mirage that The Moron has created exists only through incredible debt that will come home to roost through high inflation, high un-employment and eventually high interest rates.

The Moron is also in way over his head in the foreign policy arena and unfortunately, he is laying the groundwork for chaos and war on a scale never before experienced for a long time to come. Bringing America down economically and lowering the umbrella of protection that we have carried for decades can only wreck havoc.

It is a strange definition of success that includes N. Korea, Iran, Egypt, Russia, China or relations with our allies who consider him a laughing stock. By The Moron's own definition, he has failed...failed to close Gitmo and failed to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan...but these are about the only positive aspects of his entire foreign policy agenda.

LWW
02-01-2011, 10:56 AM
http://global.nationalreview.com/dest/2010/10/12/image002.jpg

LWW
02-01-2011, 10:57 AM
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a247/lww/ChartImgaxd.png

LWW
02-01-2011, 10:58 AM
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a247/lww/ChartImg-1axd.png

LWW
02-01-2011, 10:59 AM
It appears that the facts must have jammed up the loading mechanism in the mass spoon feeder?

LWW

Gayle in MD
02-01-2011, 11:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obviously Clinton could not be the big spender that he wanted to be because of the Republican Congress,

<span style="color: #CC0000"> You are quite wrong. Clinton stated throughout his campaign, his goal of balancing the budget, and he did so, and never intended to be a Big spender....AND created a surplus. The public, approved, and still approves, of Clinton, far more than they approve of Republicans. </span>



though he did try mightily in the first two years. He also benefited with the 'peace dividend' and cut military forces dramatically and this also benefits the economy but can have other costs.

If you could only take off your partisan hat for a while you might notice that you are making the conservative case...

<span style="color: #990000">If you could practice critical thinking skills, you'd havve seen that I pointed out the gross hypocrisy of Republican's Campaign Promises, of lowering spending, and shrinking government, which they have NEVER DONE, and also, the hypocrisy and partianship of your posts. </span>

big spending government works against the productive sector and the economy overall.

<span style="color: #CC0000">Launching illegal invasions and occupations, while cutting taxes, and increasing spending, and borrowing from communist countries to pay for it all, works against the productive sector and the economy overall..... </span>


The mirage that The Moron has created exists only through incredible debt that will come home to roost through high inflation, high un-employment and eventually high interest rates.

<span style="color: #CC0000"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'> The MORAN, created incredible debt, collapsed the economy, emboldened our enemies, launched war on lies, broke the Geneva Conventions, Tortured innocent people, lied to the country, created threatening deficits, which crippled our ability to deal with his collapsed, corrupted economy, and Government, with every single agency, corrupted, from the EPA to the DOJ. </span> </span>

The Moron is also in way over his head


<span style='font-size: 14pt'> <span style="color: #CC0000"> Yes he is, was, and remains so to this day, as was proven in his book, where he failed completely to own up to the disastrous condition in which he left our country,
a failed economy,
near Depression,
two unfinished wars,
a franchised al Qaeda,
his foreign policy, condemned by the world,
and his Spreading of democracy, with guns and bombs, a total failure, as two elections, during his policy, put terrorist organizations, into power.

Yes, BUSH WAS AND IS, a moron! </span> </span>



in the foreign policy arena and unfortunately, he is laying the groundwork for chaos and war on a scale never before experienced for a long time to come. Bringing America down economically and lowering the umbrella of protection that we have carried for decades can only wreck havoc.

<span style="color: #990000"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'> Yes, the moron, GW Bush, did all of that. </span> </span>

It is a strange definition of success that includes N. Korea, Iran, Egypt, Russia, China or relations with our allies who consider him a laughing stock.

<span style="color: #CC0000"> <span style='font-size: 11pt'> North Korea, expanded their WMD's, Iran was emboldened, and expanded their WMD's, Russia, expanded their threats, invaded a smaller independent region, all during the Bush Administration.

Egypt, continued with their inhumane status, oppressing the people, and continuing to committ torture in their prisons.

YOU do not, and cannot spreak for our allies, all of which were against Bush's policies, and against the illegal, immoral, UNCONSTITUTIONAL invasion, and occupation of Iraq, by the Bush Administration. </span> </span>



By The Moron's own definition, he has failed...failed to close Gitmo and failed to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan...but these are about the only positive aspects of his entire foreign policy agenda. </div></div>


<span style="color: #CC0000"> Our current President is in the process of closing GITMO, complicated by the fact that they were tortured, and illegally captured, by BUSH, which limits the power of the courts to convict them.

They would have been removed, AND GITMO
CLOSED,if not for Republican Fear mongering, which prevent them from being held, in an empty, brand new, Federal prison, which would have created jobs, and which was approved by those who9 lived in the area, but Republicans decided to use it to spread fear, and the plan was abandoned, due to radical RW NUTJOBS, whose only goal, is to condemn the ucrrent administration, while denying tht BUSH created evvery mess, that president Obama, has so effectively, turned around, hence, we are not at thirty percent, unemployment, nor stuck in the BUSH DEPRESSION, and we are working our way out of his two FAILED wars, one of which was totally illegal....</span>

Gayle in MD
02-01-2011, 11:44 AM
Here is who they're really laughing about, according to yur guy, O'Reilly, LMAO!




Video:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/29/oreilly-boehner-crying-credbility_n_815784.html


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O'Reilly was speaking to Fox News colleague Chris Wallace, who will interview Boehner on Sunday.<span style='font-size: 14pt'> "He's got to get his emotions under control," O'Reilly said.</span> He posited that President Obama may have been trying to make Boehner cry during the State of the Union address. He then compared him to two American icons.

"You've got your George Pattons, you've got your George Washingtons--stoic, tough," O'Reilly said. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>"A lot of Americans, you know, well if the guy's crying every two minutes, does that mean he's strong, does that impact on his credibility?"</span><span style='font-size: 14pt'>He said Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin was "laughing" at Boehner</span> because, while he was "wrestling polar bears without his shirt, and has never cried in his life, he's going, 'look at this sissy.' Perception is reality."

llotter
02-01-2011, 02:53 PM
The Moron's popularity is lower in Egypt than Bush's as it is in most other places in the world. Kissing butt, as The Moron has done, does not engender respect from anyone worth their salt.

Gayle in MD
02-01-2011, 03:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Moron's popularity is lower in Egypt than Bush's as it is in most other places in the world.

<span style="color: #CC0000"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>yhat is one of your more fabulous lies, I must say. </span> </span>

Kissing butt, as The Moron has done, does not engender respect from anyone worth their salt. </div></div>


<span style="color: #990000"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'> Like your fellow righties, you are confused. Your OPINIONS, are not based on FACTS.

President Obama's approval ratings, have never been as low as Bush's are, anytime, anywhere, EVER.

Likewise, President Obama's approval ratings, have been consistantly higher throughout this recession, than Ronald Reagan's were, during the Recession of his Administration.



G. </span> </span>

pooltchr
02-01-2011, 03:18 PM
Approval ratings are not based entirely on whether you approve or not, Galye.....they are used to test how the MAJORITY of people judge someone.

Steve

LWW
02-01-2011, 05:16 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The correct comparison would be to do a run from January, 1995 through December, 2006 ... the (R) cogress ... and another from January, 2007 through January, 2011 under the (D) congress.

Would you like to run those numbers?

LWW </div></div>

Nobody thought you would.

Job creation under a republichicken congress:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a247/lww/ChartImgaxd.png

Job destruction under a democrook congress:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a247/lww/ChartImg-1axd.png

Q shooting down El Dubb Dubb's logic:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a247/lww/ONLINE%20ARGUMENTS/Snoopy.jpg

LWW </div></div>

Bumped for our illustrious leftists to explain how the data does not support the lies spoon fed to them?

LWW </div></div>

One more time.

LWW

JohnnyD
02-01-2011, 06:12 PM
Once again a very informative post.