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llotter
02-04-2011, 05:33 PM
Undermining allies and butt kissing enemies is the modus operandi for Democrats but The Moron takes it to new levels. To gain the support of Russia of the new START treaty, The Moron offered Britain's nuclear secrets in a deal the Wikileaks has uncovered.

I never thought our country would tolerate more than two years of The Moron's 'leadership' but our education system is even worse than expected.

Soflasnapper
02-04-2011, 06:27 PM
I never thought our country would tolerate more than two years of The Moron's 'leadership' but our education system is even worse than expected.

If they didn't tolerate more than 2 years of it, what would they have done? I mean, considering he has a 4-year term, you know?

llotter
02-04-2011, 09:01 PM
I was thinking that Democrat leaders would have made him an offer he couldn't refuse, much like the Republicans did for Nixon, and he would have resigned.

LWW
02-05-2011, 04:40 AM
If the democratic party had the slightest whiff of integrity, this thugocracy would be impeached and removed from office.

LWW

Soflasnapper
02-05-2011, 12:14 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was thinking that Democrat leaders would have made him an offer he couldn't refuse, much like the Republicans did for Nixon, and he would have resigned. </div></div>

The GOP was not leading the impeachment effort, nor were they ahead of the Democrats on this question. Rather, once the smoking gun evidence had been released under the SCOTUS 8-0 ruling, the GOP then knew that they couldn't get 1/3rd +1 in the Senate to prevent the conviction upon impeachment articles about to be voted for in the House.

So, similarities not seen between the two situations include: no prospect of impeachment articles even with the GOP majority there, probably because of the next similarity missing, no smoking gun evidence of impeachable actions, and hence absolutely no prospect of a non-existent impeachment gaining a 2/3rds majority for conviction in the Senate.

Other than those things, of course, it is exactly the same thing.

LWW
02-05-2011, 01:11 PM
In reality, the POTUS cannot be impeached and convicted in this day and age.

I honestly don't believe Nixon would have been removed ... but it would have been ugly.

LWW

LWW
02-05-2011, 01:12 PM
And, FWIW, the smoking gun is obvious on this one.

LWW

Soflasnapper
02-05-2011, 01:49 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Washington lobbied London in 2009 for permission to supply Moscow with detailed data about the performance of UK missiles. The UK refused, but the US agreed to hand over the serial numbers of Trident missiles it transfers to Britain. </div></div>

From the Daily Telegraph's reporting on this matter.

That makes it sound possible that what we did was both negotiated with GB and agreed to by them, as to this de minimus information (number of Tridents sold, and their unique identifying number.)

LWW
02-05-2011, 05:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>Washington lobbied London in 2009 for permission to supply Moscow with detailed data about the performance of UK missiles. The UK refused</span>, but the US agreed to hand over the serial numbers of Trident missiles it transfers to Britain. </div></div>

From the Daily Telegraph's reporting on this matter.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>That makes it sound possible that what we did was both negotiated with GB and agreed to by them</span>, as to this de minimus information (number of Tridents sold, and their unique identifying number.)


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That statement is simply astounding.

LWW

Qtec
02-06-2011, 05:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the democratic party had the slightest whiff of integrity, this thugocracy would be impeached and removed from office.

LWW </div></div>

For what? Trying to extend HC to YOUR fellow Americans?



A real war criminal.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> 5 (Reuters) - Former U.S. President George W. Bush has cancelled a visit to Switzerland, where he was to address a Jewish charity gala, <span style='font-size: 20pt'>due to the risk of legal action against him for alleged torture,</span> rights groups said on Saturday.

Bush was to be the keynote speaker at Keren Hayesod's annual dinner on Feb. 12 in Geneva. But pressure has been building on the Swiss government to arrest him and open a criminal investigation if he enters the Alpine country.

Criminal complaints against Bush alleging torture have been lodged in Geneva, court officials say.

Human rights groups said they had intended to submit a <span style='font-size: 14pt'>2,500-page case against Bush</span> in the Swiss city on Monday for alleged mistreatment of suspected militants at Guantanamo Bay, the U.S. naval base in Cuba where captives from Afghanistan, Iraq and other fronts in the so-called War on Terror were interned.</div></div>

Q

LWW
02-06-2011, 06:44 AM
Please stay on topic.

Surely for once, just <u><span style='font-size: 26pt'>ONCE</span></u>, you can comment in a thread about the treachery of dear leader with something more than <span style='font-size: 14pt'>B-B-B-BUT B-B-B-BOOOOSH!!!!</span>

Well ... at least I can hop that someday you will.

LWW

Soflasnapper
02-06-2011, 01:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>Washington lobbied London in 2009 for permission to supply Moscow with detailed data about the performance of UK missiles. The UK refused</span>, but the US agreed to hand over the serial numbers of Trident missiles it transfers to Britain. </div></div>

From the Daily Telegraph's reporting on this matter.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>That makes it sound possible that what we did was both negotiated with GB and agreed to by them</span>, as to this de minimus information (number of Tridents sold, and their unique identifying number.)


</div></div>

That statement is simply astounding.

LWW </div></div>

Only because you are over-reading what is in that report, and finding things there that aren't stated.

Here's what we know from that report, and collateral general knowledge.

1) The US and Britain have bilateral and probably multilateral (through NATO) treaty obligations about sharing sensitive national security information.

2) Talks occurred, as required by those treaties.

3) The US requested that GB allow them to give some information about these weapons to Russia. GB declined, and the US honored that refusal.

4) ??

5) The US then gave Russia the number of missiles of ours that were in GB's possession and use, along with their unique identifying kinda serial number.

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As a hidden assumption, you take the position that the DIFFERENT, far less detailed information the US gave was also denied permission to give by GB, but that we did it anyway.

That may be, but there is no evidence of it in the Wikileaks report. It could just as well be that GB gave permission to us to give that data, and that we used their yes or no as the deciding criterion.

For clearly, what we DO know is that when they said NO to the detailed information transmission, we honored their position and did not give that information. We also know of no protest or complaint from GB from the Wikileak report. You've only assumed that, without evidence in hand at this time.

LWW
02-06-2011, 03:39 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">3) The US requested that GB allow them to give some information about these weapons to Russia. GB declined, and the US honored that refusal.

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And there you have it.

You have, again, came to a conclusion based upon a false premise.

LWW