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02-06-2011, 07:27 AM
He spoke for the rights of the weakest among us:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We must all educate ourselves to the reality of the horrors taking place. Doctors today know that unborn children can feel a touch within the womb and that they respond to pain. But how many Americans are aware that abortion techniques are allowed today, in all 50 states, that burn the skin of a baby with a salt solution, in an agonizing death that can last for hours?

Another example: two years ago, the Philadelphia Inquirer ran a Sunday special supplement on “The Dreaded Complication.” The “dreaded complication” referred to in the article-the complication feared by doctors who perform abortions-is the survival of the child despite all the painful attacks during the abortion procedure. Some unborn children do survive the late-term abortions the Supreme Court has made legal. Is there any question that these victims of abortion deserve our attention and protection? Is there any question that those who don’t survive were living human beings before they were killed?

Late-term abortions, especially when the baby survives, but is then killed by starvation, neglect, or suffocation, show once again the link between abortion and infanticide. The time to stop both is now. As my administration acts to stop infanticide, we will be fully aware of the real issue that underlies the death of babies before and soon after birth.

Our society has, fortunately, become sensitive to the rights and special needs of the handicapped, but I am shocked that physical or mental handicaps of newborns are still used to justify their extinction. This Administration has a Surgeon General, Dr. C. Everett Koop, who has done perhaps more than any other American for handicapped children, by pioneering surgical techniques to help them, by speaking out on the value of their lives, and by working with them in the context of loving families. You will not find his former patients advocating the so-called “quality-of-life” ethic.

I know that when the true issue of infanticide is placed before the American people, with all the facts openly aired, we will have no trouble deciding that a mentally or physically handicapped baby has the same intrinsic worth and right to life as the rest of us. As the New Jersey Supreme Court said two decades ago, in a decision upholding the sanctity of human life, “a child need not be perfect to have a worthwhile life.”

Whether we are talking about pain suffered by unborn children, or about late-term abortions, or about infanticide, we inevitably focus on the humanity of the unborn child. Each of these issues is a potential rallying point for the sanctity of life ethic. Once we as a nation rally around any one of these issues to affirm the sanctity of life, we will see the importance of affirming this principle across the board.

Malcolm Muggeridge, the English writer, goes right to the heart of the matter: “Either life is always and in all circumstances sacred, or intrinsically of no account; it is inconceivable that it should be in some cases the one, and in some the other.” The sanctity of innocent human life is a principle that Congress should proclaim at every opportunity.
-Ronald Wilson Reagan-


02-06-2011, 07:32 AM
He spoke for liberty, even when it meant rejecting his own political party:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have spent most of my life as a Democrat. I recently have seen fit to follow another course. I believe that the issues confronting us cross party lines. Now, one side in this campaign has been telling us that the issues of this election are the maintenance of peace and prosperity. The line has been used, “We’ve never had it so good.”

But I have an uncomfortable feeling that this prosperity isn’t something on which we can base our hopes for the future. No nation in history has ever survived a tax burden that reached a third of its national income. Today, 37 cents out of every dollar earned in this country is the tax collector’s share, and yet our government continues to spend 17 million dollars a day more than the government takes in. We haven’t balanced our budget 28 out of the last 34 years. We’ve raised our debt limit three times in the last twelve months, and now our national debt is one and a half times bigger than all the combined debts of all the nations of the world. We have 15 billion dollars in gold in our treasury; we don’t own an ounce. Foreign dollar claims are 27.3 billion dollars. And we’ve just had announced that the dollar of 1939 will now purchase 45 cents in its total value.

As for the peace that we would preserve, I wonder who among us would like to approach the wife or mother whose husband or son has died in South Vietnam and ask them if they think this is a peace that should be maintained indefinitely. Do they mean peace, or do they mean we just want to be left in peace? There can be no real peace while one American is dying some place in the world for the rest of us. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>We’re at war with the most dangerous enemy that has ever faced mankind in his long climb from the swamp to the stars, and it’s been said if we lose that war, and in so doing lose this way of freedom of ours, history will record with the greatest astonishment that those who had the most to lose did the least to prevent its happening. Well I think it’s time we ask ourselves if we still know the freedoms that were intended for us by the Founding Fathers.</span>

Not too long ago, two friends of mine were talking to a Cuban refugee, a businessman who had escaped from Castro, and in the midst of his story one of my friends turned to the other and said, “We don’t know how lucky we are.” And the Cuban stopped and said, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>“How lucky you are? I had someplace to escape to.” And in that sentence he told us the entire story. If we lose freedom here, there’s no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth.</span>

And this idea that government is beholden to the people, that it has no other source of power except the sovereign people, is still the newest and the most unique idea in all the long history of man’s relation to man.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>This is the issue of this election: Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capitol can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.</span>
-Ronald Wilson Reagan-


02-06-2011, 07:37 AM
He spoke truth to power in the capital of evil ...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[P]rogress is not foreordained. The key is freedom — freedom of thought, freedom of information, freedom of communication. The renowned scientist, scholar, and founding father of this university, Mikhail Lomonosov, knew that. “It is common knowledge,” he said, “that the achievements of science are considerable and rapid, particularly once the yoke of slavery is cast off and replaced by the freedom of philosophy.” You know, one of the first contacts between your country and mine took place between Russian and American explorers. The Americans were members of Cook’s last voyage on an expedition searching for an Arctic passage; on the island of Unalaska, they came upon the Russians, who took them in, and together with the native inhabitants, held a prayer service on the ice.

The explorers of the modern era are the entrepreneurs, men with vision, with the courage to take risks and faith enough to brave the unknown. These entrepreneurs and their small enterprises are responsible for almost all the economic growth in the United States. They are the prime movers of the technological revolution. In fact, one of the largest personal computer firms in the United States was started by two college students, no older than you, in the garage behind their home. Some people, even in my own country, look at the riot of experiment that is the free market and see only waste. What of all the entrepreneurs that fail? Well, many do, particularly the successful ones; often several times. And if you ask them the secret of their success, they’ll tell you it’s all that they learned in their struggles along the way; yes, it’s what they learned from failing. Like an athlete in competition or a scholar in pursuit of the truth, experience is the greatest teacher.

And that’s why it’s so hard for government planners, no matter how sophisticated, to ever substitute for millions of individuals working night and day to make their dreams come true.

…We Americans make no secret of our belief in freedom. In fact, it’s something of a national pastime. Every 4 years the American people choose a new President, and 1988 is one of those years. At one point there were 13 major candidates running in the two major parties, not to mention all the others, including the Socialist and Libertarian candidates — all trying to get my job. About 1,000 local television stations, 8,500 radio stations, and 1,700 daily newspapers — each one an independent, private enterprise, fiercely independent of the Government — report on the candidates, grill them in interviews, and bring them together for debates. In the end, the people vote; they decide who will be the next President.But freedom doesn’t begin or end with elections.

Go to any American town, to take just an example, and you’ll see dozens of churches, representing many different beliefs — in many places, synagogues and mosques — and you’ll see families of every conceivable nationality worshiping together. Go into any schoolroom, and there you will see children being taught the Declaration of Independence, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights — among them life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness — that no government can justly deny; the guarantees in their Constitution for freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion.

…But freedom is more even than this. Freedom is the right to question and change the established way of doing things. It is the continuing revolution of the marketplace. It is the understanding that allows us to recognize shortcomings and seek solutions. It is the right to put forth an idea, scoffed at by the experts, and watch it catch fire among the people. It is the right to dream — to follow your dream or stick to your conscience, even if you’re the only one in a sea of doubters. Freedom is the recognition that no single person, no single authority or government has a monopoly on the truth, but that every individual life is infinitely precious, that every one of us put on this world has been put there for a reason and has something to offer…
-Ronald Wilson Reagan-
Moscow, 1988 </div></div>


02-06-2011, 07:40 AM
He spoke of, and believed in, American exceptionalism. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU-IBF8nwSY&feature=player_embedded#t=59s)


02-06-2011, 07:44 AM
He invented "YES WE CAN!" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqAgmrSimx4&feature=player_embedded)


02-06-2011, 07:45 AM
He inderstood why America is great. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS4yf723kmY&feature=player_embedded)


02-06-2011, 07:47 AM
And, even from beyond the grave, he exposed dear leader as the fraud that he ... and all statist tyrants ... are. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6DmjBneGBc&feature=player_embedded)


02-06-2011, 02:12 PM
Reagan's big idea was that the rich just weren't rich enough, and couldn't get rich enough under the tax regime and regulatory regime to really have much of an incentive to work hard.

At the same time, he analyzed that the poor were TOO RICH. That their incentives to work were harmed by access to government subsidies, and they just laid around getting government checks instead of going out for productive work.

Although these were so laughable that they couldn't be stated directly, these were the guiding lights of Reagan, and he did very good work indeed in correcting both of these situations. Very effectively, the rich got much much richer, while those at the bottom were indeed squeezed, unmercifully.

This struck the left as immoral class warfare. But the real question was, did it improve the country (and therefore, work a good effect, even if the means were troubling)?

And the answer is no. The poverty rate in the country after the long Reagan boom was virtually unchanged from when he came into office in a fairly bad Carter economy just barely limping out of recession. And that whole balanced budget promise? Which he made coming into office, and repeatedly forecast would take place a year or two more out? Out the window, as the national debt tripled (in nominal terms) under his years, up about 80% in real inflation-adjusted terms.

02-06-2011, 03:43 PM
That explains why the middle class thrived and every section of the nation became wealthier.

Please ... put down the Haterade for just one day.


02-06-2011, 09:34 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>he’s a tax raiser, an amnesty giver, a cut-and-runner, and he negotiated with terrorists. </span><span style='font-size: 20pt'>Why is he a hero to conservatives?</span> </div></div>

Reagan was an appeaser. The reason Iran is so strong now is because of Reagan.


02-06-2011, 10:09 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That explains why the middle class thrived and every section of the nation became wealthier.

Please ... put down the Haterade for just one day.

LWW </div></div>

The middle class had their total effective federal tax rate increased (counting the huge SS tax hike), while losing the tax deductibility for consumer debt (credit cards and the like).

When Reagan came in, the US workforce was the highest paid in the world. Well before he left office, we had been turned into a low wage country, well down the list.

Real wages for males with but a hs diploma fell off the cliff down about 30%, forcing women into the workforce to help meet household expenses. This helped destroy family life, and harm the development of latch-key children with no mom at home.

Then, and quite apart from all the rest of the damage, the Reagan Contra policy flooded the country with crack cocaine imported through a protected Somacista channel.

If after the long 'boom' period, not only was the poverty rate the same as when he came in, but the real median household income had not increased past its '78 peak.

This was actually very bad for the country overall.

02-07-2011, 03:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>he’s a tax raiser, an amnesty giver, a cut-and-runner, and he negotiated with terrorists. </span><span style='font-size: 20pt'>Why is he a hero to conservatives?</span> </div></div>

Reagan was an appeaser. The reason Iran is so strong now is because of Reagan.

Q </div></div>

That certainly explains why we crippled their navy back THEN (http://www.nytimes.com/1988/04/19/world/us-strikes-2-iranian-oil-rigs-hits-6-warships-battles-over-mining-sea-lanes-gulf.html).

It never ceases to amaze me how the doublethinkers can claim Reagan was an appeaser and a war monger and believe both to be true.


02-07-2011, 03:42 AM
And you document these claims with ... what's that ... nothing?


02-07-2011, 07:58 PM
These claims can all be found in the pertinent official US reports, albeit with some effort. I have studied the Reagan record thoroughly from the time he was in office, and revisited the subject many times.

If you think they are false, YOU should be able to cite official sources that show your position that they are false is true.

Being realistic, I have not seen that ample proof in links does a thing considering your invincible ignorance stance, so you're asking me to waste a lot of time for no apparent reason.