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LWW
02-12-2011, 05:34 AM
Being that so many people are befuddled by history, as a public service I am going to give the answers to some of history's greatest mysteries.

MYSTERY #1:

Who killed JFK?
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/oswald/program/images/enlarged/about_fd.jpg

Lee Harvey Oswald

LWW

LWW
02-12-2011, 02:05 PM
Mystery #2:

Did Gunther Nussbacher fly George Bush to Paris in an SR71 to arrange the "OCTOBER SURPRISE" as he claims?
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No.

He was in prison at the time.

LWW

Soflasnapper
02-12-2011, 03:41 PM
Your theories are interesting, but bizarre.

LHO did it? There is no credible evidence to support that theory, and much credible evidence that it is unlikely.

(The picture you post is quite hilarious, in that a fairly recent (last 10 years or so) find of old Dallas police materials on the case, a 'template' for this photo as a composite, with the body of the person posing this way removed from the photo to allow another body to be superimposed, was found, just as LHO himself, who had worked in a photo processing lab associated with national intelligence, claimed was the case, that it was a manufactured photograph fakery job.)

Russbacher doesn't claim to have flown Bush to Paris in the BlackBird. His claim is that he flew him there in a Saudi-registered BAC 111, and only flew him BACK in the SR-71.

And looking through various bios of Russbacher, it doesn't appear he was in prison at all in 1980.

Nice job. It is hard to be more inaccurate in a bare couple of sentences.

Qtec
02-13-2011, 01:01 AM
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/oswald/program/images/enlarged/about_fd.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5gW6OiFwD2U/SSbWAE3giEI/AAAAAAAAFfg/6CDdINYn5rI/s400/1122oswald2.jpg

Just wondering, what happened to his wedding ring?

Q

LWW
02-13-2011, 05:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">(The picture you post is quite hilarious, in that a fairly recent (last 10 years or so) find of old Dallas police materials on the case, a 'template' for this photo as a composite, with the body of the person posing this way removed from the photo to allow another body to be superimposed, was found, just as LHO himself, who had worked in a photo processing lab associated with national intelligence, claimed was the case, that it was a manufactured photograph fakery job.)</div></div>

That was just precious.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you make a claim, you post a link.

Q </div></div>

LWW

LWW
02-13-2011, 05:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Nice job. It is hard to be more inaccurate in a bare couple of sentences. </div></div>

You do give it the old college try though.

BRAVO!

LWW

LWW
02-13-2011, 05:26 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Just wondering, what happened to his wedding ring?

Q </div></div>

It was placed in an envelope along with his wallet at keys at the Dallas Jail.

LWW

Qtec
02-13-2011, 05:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> No.

He was in prison at the time.

LWW</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That was just precious.

Originally Posted By: Qtec
If you make a claim, you post a link.

Q


LWW </div></div>

WHERE IS YOUR LINK DOROTHY????

Q

Qtec
02-13-2011, 05:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It was placed in an envelope along with his wallet at keys at the Dallas Jail.

LWW </div></div>
Any proof of that?

Eh,...........NO LINK to offer?

Absolutly NOTHING to back up this ridiculous assertion based of no proof whatsoever!

What a surprise.

Ah...........what's one level below moron, I wonder.

Q.....

Qtec
02-13-2011, 05:48 AM
From what I have read, nobody has been able to replicate what LHO is supposed to have done with that cheap rifle, in the time that he was supposed to have committed the shooting.

Q

LWW
02-13-2011, 05:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> No.

He was in prison at the time.

LWW</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That was just precious.

Originally Posted By: Qtec
If you make a claim, you post a link.

Q


LWW </div></div>

WHERE IS YOUR LINK DOROTHY????

Q </div></div>

Already posted in the other thread.

Your unwillingness to view non regime approved data is not my fault.

LWW

LWW
02-13-2011, 05:50 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It was placed in an envelope along with his wallet at keys at the Dallas Jail.

LWW </div></div>
Any proof of that?

Q..... </div></div>

SOP at every jail in America ... and the law.

LWW

LWW
02-13-2011, 05:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your theories are interesting, but bizarre.

LHO did it? There is no credible evidence to support that theory, and much credible evidence that it is unlikely.

(The picture you post is quite hilarious, in that a fairly recent (last 10 years or so) find of old Dallas police materials on the case, a 'template' for this photo as a composite, with the body of the person posing this way removed from the photo to allow another body to be superimposed, was found, just as LHO himself, who had worked in a photo processing lab associated with national intelligence, claimed was the case, that it was a manufactured photograph fakery job.)</div></div>

Actually the photo was taken by his wife, and she has repeated the claim over many decades:

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh1/pages/WC_Vol1_0014a.gif

LWW

Qtec
02-13-2011, 06:00 AM
Was he in jail or being questioned?

Q...I thought they were taking him to jail?

Qtec
02-13-2011, 06:01 AM
Do you know the dif between a pistol and a rifle?

"when you asked me about the rifle I said Lee didn't have a rifle.."

She is being led all the time. This would never stand up in court as evidence.

Q

LWW
02-13-2011, 06:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From what I have read, nobody has been able to replicate what LHO is supposed to have done with that cheap rifle, in the time that he was supposed to have committed the shooting.

Q </div></div>

That's because you only seek data to support what you want to believe.

A proper analysis shows that Oswald fired THREE SHOTS IN 11.2 SECONDS FROM A DISTANCE OF 190 FEET (Oswald fired three shots in approximately 11.2 seconds, with intervals of 6.3 seconds and 4.9 seconds between the shots.) and not the 6.3 seconds always stated by the JFK CT nutjobs.

Backed up by the reich wing nut NY Times:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oswald fired three shots in approximately 11.2 seconds, with intervals of 6.3 seconds and 4.9 seconds between the shots. </div></div>

JESSE VENTURA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHlVHo0F3s0) did it in 8.9 seconds, including a head shot, in his fifties.

Jesse had no training/practice with a Carcano rifle ... LHO had plenty.

Next myth you would like to have slain?

LWW

LWW
02-13-2011, 06:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you know the dif between a pistol and a rifle?

"when you asked me about the rifle I said Lee didn't have a rifle.."

She is being led all the time. This would never stand up in court as evidence.

Q </div></div>

That's classic Q ... take a quote completely out of context, they were discussing then a particular time he went shooting and not whether he owned a rifle at all ... and hang your hat on a falsehood.

She clearly testified that she knew he had the rifle and had owned if before they moved to Dallas.

What a nit you are.

LWW

LWW
02-13-2011, 06:29 AM
MYSTERY #3:

Why did the WTC buildings fall straight down/
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Gravity.

LWW

LWW
02-13-2011, 01:21 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Russbacher doesn't claim to have flown Bush to Paris in the BlackBird. His claim is that he flew him there in a Saudi-registered BAC 111, and only flew him BACK in the SR-71.</div></div>

Yet another, of many, holes in ole Gunther's myth.

1 - If the Blackbird wasn't used both ways, the entire timeline of the trip becomes impossible.

2 - No Blackbirds were ever stationed in France. They were stationed at Palmdale, California; Kadena Air Base, Okinawa, Japan; and RAF Mildenhall, England.

3 - A flight from RAF Mildenhall to Paris is essentially impossible. The Blackbird was a long distance high speed tool and not at all suitable for short jaunts such as this due to mechanical and technical fuel constraints. The Blackbird had to take off on nearly fumes and immediately be refueled. The tanks wouldn't seal at rest and were sealed via the tanks heat expansion in supersonic flight.

http://www.healthhabits.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/myth-busted.jpg

LWW

Soflasnapper
02-13-2011, 02:58 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">(The picture you post is quite hilarious, in that a fairly recent (last 10 years or so) find of old Dallas police materials on the case, a 'template' for this photo as a composite, with the body of the person posing this way removed from the photo to allow another body to be superimposed, was found, just as LHO himself, who had worked in a photo processing lab associated with national intelligence, claimed was the case, that it was a manufactured photograph fakery job.)</div></div>

That was just precious.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you make a claim, you post a link.

Q </div></div>

LWW </div></div>

LWW, what you don't know about this case is surprising!!!

Here are two prints from Dallas Police archives (http://texashistory.unt.edu/explore/collections/JFKDP/browse/?start=10)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Incredible as it may seem, the photo shown here — a “ghost” image, in the words of researcher Robert Groden — was discovered in the files of the Dallas Police files more than 20 years after the fact. In his classic study, The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald (1995), Groden provides an excellent introduction to the problems with the backyard photos on pages 90-95. Indeed, 404 evidence photos that have now been released from an official archive not only include ten photographs of the backyard without figure — which would have been indispensable to fake them, which using multiple lines of proof we know was done in this case — and two “ghost” images, which suggest that they were either produced or planted by members of the Dallas Police Department.</div></div>

Discussed here (under authenticity paragraph, scroll down) (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16224)

As is discussed therein, the backgrounds are identical in different poses from "Oswald." This is possible with a tripod mounted camera that doesn't change position. Almost impossible with a handheld camera, as Marina claims to have used.

But WHAT IN THE WORLD was the Dallas police doing with matte-cutout photos without "Oswald" in them?

Qtec
02-13-2011, 08:45 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A proper analysis <u>shows </u></div></div>

No it doesnt.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oswald didn’t wait for the camera: Zapruder film might have missed a shot

A few of the doubts over whether Lee Harvey Oswald could fire three shots so quickly at President John F. Kennedy could be settled if we assume the famous Zapruder film recorded only two of the rifle shots, an <u>interesting</u> article in The New York Times <span style='font-size: 17pt'>speculates</span> today. </div></div>

Do you know what speculates means?


Also I can't watch that video of Ventura. It says "Deze video is niet beschikbaar in je land." = you can't watch this in your country? Got another link of just give me the title and I will search for it myself.

Ventura!!!? You have multiple times claimed he is a crackpot.

Even if he did do it, did he do it first time?


BTW, the NYT article is full of holes.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The most exasperating one is how did Oswald, who was able to hit President Kennedy in his upper back at a distance of around 190 feet, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>and then in the head at a distance of 265 feet, <u>manage to miss so badly on the first and closest shot?</u></span> </div></div>

Oh yeah, there was something in the way. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Q

Qtec
02-13-2011, 08:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Indeed, 404 evidence photos that have now been released from an official archive not only include ten photographs of the backyard without figure — which would have been indispensable to fake them, which using multiple lines of proof we know was done in this case — and two “ghost” images, which suggest that they were either produced or planted by members of the Dallas Police Department. </div></div>

Now <u>THAT</u> is weird.

Q

LWW
02-14-2011, 03:02 AM
That is so incredibly lame, and anyone with knowledge of photography can spot the flaws instantly.

1 - The person holding the rifle doesn't line up with Oswald's position in the photo.

2 - The cutout doesn't line up with Oswald's position in the photo either.

These are obviously fake "EVIDENCE" made by a CT nutjob.

LWW

LWW
02-14-2011, 03:04 AM
And your expert is famed UFOlogist nutjob Jim Marrs?

Down the logic hole you go.

LWW

LWW
02-14-2011, 03:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A proper analysis <u>shows </u></div></div>

No it doesnt.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oswald didn’t wait for the camera: Zapruder film might have missed a shot

A few of the doubts over whether Lee Harvey Oswald could fire three shots so quickly at President John F. Kennedy could be settled if we assume the famous Zapruder film recorded only two of the rifle shots, an <u>interesting</u> article in The New York Times <span style='font-size: 17pt'>speculates</span> today. </div></div>

Do you know what speculates means?


Also I can't watch that video of Ventura. It says "Deze video is niet beschikbaar in je land." = you can't watch this in your country? Got another link of just give me the title and I will search for it myself.

Ventura!!!? You have multiple times claimed he is a crackpot.

Even if he did do it, did he do it first time?


BTW, the NYT article is full of holes.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The most exasperating one is how did Oswald, who was able to hit President Kennedy in his upper back at a distance of around 190 feet, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>and then in the head at a distance of 265 feet, <u>manage to miss so badly on the first and closest shot?</u></span> </div></div>

Oh yeah, there was something in the way. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Q </div></div>

I can't help that you live in a state which limits it's citizens access to knowledge ... but it explains a lot about you.

Now, here is what the story reveals:

1 - Zapruder did not have a modern camcorder.

2 - These primitive recorders could shoot, at most, 5 minutes of footage.

3 - It was common to shoot a few seconds and stop when filming things because of film constraints.

4 - The Zapruder film has always only recorded two shots.

5 - It is true that it's speculation, but it's speculation that a logical event took place.

6 - The CT folks speculate routinely, and almost always about things that are patently impossible such as SR71 flight to Paris piloted by prison inmates which somehow make no sonic boom and are carried out under orders of the current POTUS to aid in his electoral defeat.

7 - The speculation is that Zapruder did not begin the assassination recording until he heard the first shot.

8 - The CT malarkey has always claimed Oswald couldn't get off 3 shots in 6.3 seconds ... and the Zapruder fil shows that he didn't. What he did do was get 2 shots off in 6.3 secs as the Zapruder film verifies.

9 - There is a 4.9 second gap between when the Zapruder film starts and the first recorded shot.

10 - Since history clearly shows that 3 shots were fired, the Zapruder film logically verifies that LHO got off 3 shots in a completely unamazing 11.2 seconds.

11 - Oswald, according to sworn testimony, practiced many hours with his Manlicher Carcano. JV did not.

12 - LHO earned a USMC "SHARPSHOOTER" qualification. JV earned a lower "Marksman" qualification.

13 - LHO was approximately 20 years older than JV is when each did their deed.

14 - JV was able to duplicate LHO's shooting in 8.9 seconds, with a weapon he was inexperienced with, with a weapon that was now 40 yrs older than LHO's, with eyes roughly 20 yrs older than LHO's ... and did it in 2.3 secs less than LHO did.

Bottom line is that the JFK shooting has been replicated and there is nothing at all impossible about what LHO achieved.

LWW

LWW
02-14-2011, 03:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As is discussed therein, the backgrounds are identical in different poses from "Oswald." This is possible with a tripod mounted camera that doesn't change position. Almost impossible with a handheld camera, as Marina claims to have used.
</div></div>

This is ridiculous.

A tripod sits in one position, so can a human being sit/stand in one position.

The fact that you believe such rubbish shows that you either:

1 - Have essentially zero knowledge of photography.

2 - Are so predisposed to believe anything that supports your belief that you can/will completely suspend logic in order to accept it as "TRUTH."

3 - Both one and two.

The reason a tripod is used has noting to do with maintaining the same background.

In fact a tripod head can be spun 360 degrees while maintaining the same footprint while a human might be able to do half that.

A tripod head can also be adjusted in an arc that exceeds the up/down arc of the human neck, so a tripod is more able to change backgrounds from the same position than a human ever could.

The purpose of a tripod is to eliminate the shake and vibration that is inherent to the human being.

LWW

LWW
02-14-2011, 03:36 AM
If you look at the LHO photo holding the rifle, and compare it to the LHO assassination photo below it, a few things become obvious.

1 - The first is that the backyard photo isn't tack sharp while the Jack Ruby shooting is.

2 - Neither were taken from a tripod. The JR photo can be documented by eyewitnesses to have been hand held. The LHO photo would have been as sharp as the JR had it been on a tripod. Before you claim that a heavy wind could induce vibration into a cheap tripod ... that's true, but it would also induce motion into the paper LHO is holding and his hair. It did not.

3 - The LHO backyard photo is totally consistent with a hand held photo taken on an inexpensive 1950's camera by an inexperienced photographer.

4 - The JR photo is totally consistent with a pro photographer shooting with a pro grade camera of the era.

LWW

Qtec
02-14-2011, 06:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> 7 - The speculation is that Zapruder did not begin the assassination recording until he heard the first shot.</div></div>



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While at WFAA, Zapruder described on live television what he had seen:

JAY WATSON (Station WFAA Dallas): [...] And would you tell us your story please, sir?
ABRAHAM ZAPRUDER: I got out in, uh, about a half-hour earlier to get a good spot to shoot some pictures. And I found a spot, one of these concrete blocks they have down near that park, near the underpass. And I got on top there, there was another girl from my office, she was right behind me. <span style='font-size: 20pt'><u>And as I was shooting, as the President was coming down from Houston Street making his turn, it was about a half-way down there,</u> I heard a shot, and he slumped to the side,</span> like this. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Then I heard another shot or two,</span> I couldn't say it was one or two, and I saw his head practically open up [places fingers of right hand to right side of head in a narrow cone, over his right ear], all blood and everything, and I kept on shooting. That's about all, I'm just sick, I can't…
</div></div>

According to the man himself, the FIRST shot he heard was one that hit the president and he also says,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And as I was shooting, as the President was coming down from Houston Street making his turn, it was about a <u>half-way down there,</u> </div></div>

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/plazao.jpg



Also, why would LHO want to shoot JFK?


Q

LWW
02-14-2011, 06:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also, why would LHO want to shoot JFK?


Q </div></div>

He was a moonbat crazy leftist who believed the USSR wasn't Marxist enough and that Castro's Cuba was the perfect worker's paradise ... and the US had blocked him from traveling to Cuba.

Today, LHO would almost certainly have been a "TROOFER."

LWW

LWW
02-14-2011, 06:23 AM
You are aware that your "EVIDENCE" does not support your conclusion.

Nobody is questioning that Zapruder was shooting the motorcade. D'UH!

What is obvious from his testimony is that he wasn't sure when he began shooting continuously or how many shots he heard.

Proceed.

LWW

Soflasnapper
02-14-2011, 01:35 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is so incredibly lame, and anyone with knowledge of photography can spot the flaws instantly.

1 - The person holding the rifle doesn't line up with Oswald's position in the photo.

2 - The cutout doesn't line up with Oswald's position in the photo either.

These are obviously fake "EVIDENCE" made by a CT nutjob.

LWW </div></div>

They were discovered many years after the fact in official Dallas PD files, as the citation I gave, the link I provided, and the text there shows.

So, possibly BAD fake evidence, but bad fake evidence created by the Dallas PD. There is a chain of custody that establishes this fact.

LWW
02-15-2011, 12:37 AM
Your only problem is that these aren't what you claim they are.

1 - Not only do they not line up with LHO's position in the photos.

2 - They aren't "CUT OUTS" at all.

If they were you would be able to see through the cut out section. You can't.

What they seem to be is some sort of standup silhouette of LHO similar to the cardboard stand ups used as store advertising.

Why the Dallas PD did this I don't know, or if they were even done my them at all, is unknown to me ... but they simply aren't what you think they are.

LWW