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Gayle in MD
02-15-2011, 01:06 PM
<span style='font-size: 14pt'>The GOP loves freedom, but not for Egypt

By Eugene Robinson
Tuesday, February 15, 2011

Why don't conservatives love freedom?



Judging by last week's Conservative Political Action Conference, that's a fair question. As Egyptians overthrew the three-decade rule of Hosni Mubarak, politicians who spoke at the annual CPAC gabfest in Washington ranged from silent to grumpy on the subject.

Mitt Romney, perhaps the leading Republican presidential contender, gave a speech without once mentioning the upheaval in Cairo that may signal the most important geopolitical shift since the end of the Cold War. You'd think that anyone who wanted to be president would be paying attention and might have an opinion or two.

Sen. John Thune of South Dakota, also believed to be considering a presidential run, likewise seemed not to have noticed that the world was changing. Former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty confined himself to criticizing President Obama for somehow appeasing "Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood." Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, who won the CPAC presidential straw poll, was at least forthright: He said the United States has no "moral responsibility to spread our goodness around the world" and urged the administration "to do a lot less a lot sooner, not only in Egypt but around the world."



Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich was all over the map. At CPAC, he mentioned "what's happening in Egypt" without commenting further. On Saturday, he told the Associated Press that Mubarak's resignation was "good for the future" but criticized Obama for publicly supporting the dictator's ouster. On Sunday, Gingrich explained on ABC's "This Week" that Obama was right to side with the freedom-loving protesters in Tahrir Square but should have done so privately - as if whispered encouragement, of which there was plenty, had a prayer of making a difference.

Meanwhile, protests sparked by the Egypt uprising are raging across the Arab world - Algeria, Jordan, Yemen, Bahrain. On Monday, the clamor for democracy surfaced in Iran with the first consequential street demonstrations against theocratic rule since 2009.

House Speaker John Boehner, at least, has come out forcefully on the side of freedom. But why the ambivalence from so many prominent conservatives?

For one thing - and I think this applies to most of the tongue-tied potential candidates - there's the fact that all of this is happening on Obama's watch. If everything turns out well, heaven forbid that the president get any credit.

The administration's public comments as the Egyptian revolution unfolded seemed to take two steps forward and one step back, but there was never any real question about Obama's sentiments. The United States was by no means in control of events, but the White House used whatever influence it had to push for a transition.

The conservative mantra has been: Obama Is Always Wrong. Therefore there must be something wrong with the way he handled Egypt - even if it appears, from what we've seen so far, that the result is a historic opening for democracy in the world's most troubled region.

The other possible explanation for the lukewarm conservative reaction is a lack of faith in our most cherished democratic values - at least where majority-Islam countries are concerned.

I'm not talking about Glenn Beck's paranoid fantasy of a vast leftist-Islamist conspiracy for world domination; that's a job for a licensed professional with a prescription pad. I'm talking about people such as former U.N. ambassador John Bolton, who told CPAC that "democracy as we see it" in Egypt would be all right but grumbled that "a democratic election can produce illiberal results."

In other words, some Egyptians might vote for candidates put forth by the Muslim Brotherhood. It is unlikely that the group would win a majority in free and fair elections - or even that a government headed by the Muslim Brotherhood, if it came to that, would necessarily be more dangerous or hostile than the Mubarak regime. But Bolton and some others seem to believe that only political parties of which the United States approves should be allowed to participate in Egyptian elections.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Former Sen. Rick Santorum, another presidential contender, used his CPAC speech to blast Obama's handling of Egypt; for weeks, Santorum has been claiming that elections there would lead straight to "sharia law." Pam Geller, the conservative blogger who led opposition to the Lower Manhattan mosque, crashed the CPAC conference and told an interviewer from Mother Jones magazine that Mubarak's fall was "catastrophic" and would lead to sharia law throughout the Middle East.

These conservatives are arguing that the world's 1.2 billion Muslims cannot be trusted to govern themselves. That's not what I call loving freedom.</span> </span>


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LWW
02-15-2011, 02:47 PM
You are correct ... conservatives do not believe men should have the freedom to force clitorectomies upon their baby daughters.

Beyond that ... it seems that I remember some conservatives wanting to bring western style constitutional repblics to the Islamic world and you going berzerk.

The real question is why do you support "FREEDOM" for a totally misogynist male dominated society and not for women in the same society?

Of course we know the answer ... dear leader told you that's what you support.

LWW

Soflasnapper
02-15-2011, 06:49 PM
Conservatives do believe that genital mutilation of baby boys is ok, however.

Sev
02-15-2011, 07:11 PM
Actually it is the Jews that have that tradition.

Most Jews are democrats.

Soflasnapper
02-15-2011, 08:58 PM
I agree with your two points, but then there is this:

According to the World Health Organization (WHO), global estimates suggest that 30% of males are circumcised, of whom 68% are Muslim.[9] (Wiki)

Why do Muslims do this? Because they believe in the Torah and the Patriarchs, and that is what is prescribed there and by them. So they are influenced and abide by Jewish tradition in this and other respects.

What more could cause CONSERVATIVES to oppose this genital mutilation? The 92% Democratic Jews AND the Moslems do it???

And yet, DO the conservatives oppose this practice? I don't think so.

pooltchr
02-15-2011, 11:33 PM
Why do Democrats support the killing of babies in a mother's womb?


Steve

Stretch
02-16-2011, 02:01 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why do Democrats support the killing of babies in a mother's womb?


Steve </div></div>

While the term "killing babies in mother's womb" is a great calculaterd to repulse phrase. It does little to acknowledge that terminating unwanted pregnantsy's for a lot of very good reasons including rape, incest, a womans right to choose among a few of them i see to be a good thing. I'm comfortable with letting a woman have the final say in these cases. St.

Qtec
02-16-2011, 02:12 AM
There are all for freedom except for women and Muslims.

Q

Qtec
02-16-2011, 02:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why do Democrats support the killing of babies in a mother's womb?


Steve </div></div>

Do Republicans agree with US drones killing innocent civilians? Yes they do.

Q.......pro life my a$$.

LWW
02-16-2011, 04:27 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Conservatives do believe that genital mutilation of baby boys is ok, however. </div></div>

Are you so desperate to excuse the thuggery that is radical Islam that you will seriously compare a circumcision to a clitorectomy?

LWW

LWW
02-16-2011, 04:29 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why do Democrats support the killing of babies in a mother's womb?


Steve </div></div>

Do Republicans agree with US drones killing innocent civilians? Yes they do.

Q.......pro life my a$$. </div></div>

No, they do not.

Shame upon you for making such a ridiculous statement.

No nation in history has ever fought a war with more concern for the lives of civilians than the US.

LWW

Gayle in MD
02-17-2011, 02:16 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why do Democrats support the killing of babies in a mother's womb?


Steve </div></div>

Do Republicans agree with US drones killing innocent civilians? Yes they do.

Q.......pro life my a$$. </div></div>


<span style="color: #660000">Pro Life! What a crock!
Why do Bubbas always think they can force women to do as they wish?

I don't think people who care about life, wage a fight, nor support, weak gun laws, so that ill people can buy, without any background check, ammo that can be used to mow down innocent people at the rate of twenty or more per minute!

People who care about life, and rights, would never support torture.

Well adjusted people know where their "rights" end, and another's begin, unless of course they are misogynists.

People who can't even use the correct terms for a discussion, should stay out of it. It is impossible to abort a BABY, AND it is against the law to kill BABIES, and no one has the right to force women to do anything they do not wish to do, not even ignorant Bubbas!.

They have a lot of trouble with that one in the fly-over states.


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Gayle in MD
02-17-2011, 02:26 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are all for freedom except for women and Muslims.

Q </div></div>


Their ignorance on the subject of abortion, is stunning.

Dana Weinstein, a woman that never thought she’d need an abortion, tells a personal story in this video.


http://www.starkreports.com/

eg8r
02-18-2011, 09:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do Republicans agree with US drones killing innocent civilians? Yes they do.
</div></div>Where is your proof of this? Libs approving of killing babies is easy to prove just look at the pro-choice option. What I want to see is where Reps agree with killing innocents.

eg8r

LWW
02-18-2011, 05:21 PM
You are holding the bar far too high.

LWW