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Sev
02-17-2011, 03:46 PM
Unbelievable and hilarious.

Democratic legislature members apparently all got on a bus and left the state. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

1,100 teachers have apparently gone missing and have taken the students to the protests. Could be some legal ramifications there.

And of course the ignorant are comparing the governor to Hitler.

Didnt the union members get the memo from the president about the new tone???

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/...l-union-rights/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/17/teachers-march-wisconsin-capitol-senate-moves-curtail-union-rights/)
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The 14 Senate Democrats who are boycotting a vote on a controversial "union-busting" bill have left the state, a Wisconsin state senator said.

Sen. Jon Erpenbach says the group wants to force negotiations over the Republican-backed bill, which would strip most public employees of their collective-bargaining rights.

Erpenbach said that he and his colleagues had left Wisconsin, but he would not say where.

He said the plan is to slow down the bill because it's "tearing the state apart."

Senate Republicans hold a 19-14 majority but can't vote on the bill unless at least one Democrat is present. Police could be dispatched to retrieve them, but it was unclear if they would have the authority to cross state lines.
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"It's kind of unbelievable that they're elected to do a job and they wouldn't show up to do it," Republican Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald told Fox News.

Fitzgerald said the apparent boycott may force the State Assembly to vote first on the bill. But he added that if police officers find the lawmakers, they will bring them back to the chamber for a vote.

"This isn't something I've ever seen in the state of Wisconsin," he said. "It's a very volatile situation right now but those people were elected to do a job and unfortunately they're not doing it. They're not representing the people of their district."

Newly elected Republican Gov. Scott Walker has called on the Democrats to return to the chamber.

"Out of respect for the institution of the Legislature and the democratic process, I am calling on Senate Democrats to show up to work today, debate legislation and cast their vote," he said in a statement. "Their actions by leaving the state and hiding from voting are disrespectful to the hundreds of thousands of public employees who showed up to work today and the millions of taxpayers they represent."

The bill has sparked a storm of protest for three days. Teachers marching at Wisconsin's Capitol Building in Madison shut down schools for a second day Thursday so they could demand collective bargaining rights that they say are essential to keeping kids in school.

Dozens of schools closed as a result of high absences as thousands of protesters, including students and teachers, marched on the Capitol building to demand state lawmakers strike down a bill that would require union concessions worth $30 million by July 1 and $300 million over the next two years.

The Democratic National Committee's Organizing for America said it is playing an active role in organizing protests against the bill.

The bill, which also bans collective bargaining rights for teachers, requires educators to contribute 5.8 percent to their pensions and 12.6 percent to their health care. Currently, educators pay 0.2 percent for their pensions and 4 to 6 percent of their health care costs.

"Our goal is not to close schools, but to instead to remain vigilant in our efforts to be heard," said Mary Bell, president of the 98,000-strong Wisconsin Education Association Council.

State lawmakers proposed the legislation as part of an effort to close a $3.6 billion budget gap, and say they expect it to pass and eventually reach the desk of Walker.

"This bill isn't about an assault on public employees. We have great public employees throughout the state, I have them in my district, hard-working folks," said Republican state Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald. "What this is is about the budget. We're $3.6 billion in the hole. We're not going to raise taxes to solve it. We all ran, you know, this last election cycle on saying that we are going to cut government spending. ... Everybody is going to have to do their part."

But Michael Langyel, head of the Milwaukee Teachers Education Association, said Walker and Republican lawmakers are asking public employees to give up more than everyone else.

"If people say the only way to solve this budget crisis is to take away from people who are working hard, they are wrong. We believe that we have a right to have a fair wage for our hard work. More importantly, the collective bargaining process allows us to positively impact school policy issues. We are the advocates for our students, and we will maintain our voice in defending our students," he told Fox News.

Langyel added that if Walker wants to balance the budget, he should force his friends to pay more.

"There are many people who support the governor who contribute nothing and pay nothing and are not contributing. This is the time to have fair taxation in the state of Wisconsin, where the friends of the governors do not get a free ride and the hard-working people have to carry the extra burden," he said.

Speaking Wednesday to WTMJ4 in Milwaukee, President Obama weighed into the debate, saying that making it harder for public employees to collectively bargain "seems like more of an assault on unions."

"I think it is very important for us to understand that public employees, they're our neighbors, they're our friends," he said. "These are folks who are teachers and they're firefighters and they're social workers and they're police officers."

It is important "not to vilify them or to suggest that somehow all these budget problems are due to public employees," Obama said.

Education Secretary Arne Duncan told Fox News on Thursday that he is "troubled by the current climate" but was hopeful for a good resolution. He added that everyone is going to have to compromise even as teachers perform "Herculean" work.

"We have to work together with them to give every child a chance for a great education and we need to work together and we need to prove outside the comfort zone but to vilify one group or demonize one group doesn't move us as a country that we need to go," Duncan said.

But Walker said the demands on public employees are "modest" compared with those in the private sector, and are meant to prevent a shutdown, which could result in 6,000 state workers not getting paid.

"We're at a point of crisis," the governor said, adding that he would call out the National Guard if needed to keep state operations, including prisons, running.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, in 2008, the average salary for an elementary school teacher was $51, 240 while middle school educators earned $50,950 and high school teachers earned $49, 400.

Wisconsin's measure would end collective bargaining for state, county and local workers, except for police, firefighters and the state patrol. Unions still could represent workers, but could not seek pay increases above those pegged to the Consumer Price Index unless approved by a public referendum. Unions also could not force employees to pay dues and would have to hold annual votes to stay organized.

Republican-backed changes to the bill made by the state's Senate budget committee Wednesday would extend a grievance procedure to public workers who don't have one and require more oversight and put a deadline on changes.

Fitzgerald said despite the heated debate, and individual threats against lawmakers, the majority of Wisconsin residents approve of the bill.

"Although the protesters have been very rowdy, very one sided on what legislators are hearing, there's a silent majority out there that spoke on November 2, said, you know, we have to (head the state) in the right direction to put our fiscal house in order. So that's what we're going to do. It's very difficult but you know that's what we're set out to do and hopefully."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/.../#ixzz1EFs8Nl3i (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/17/teachers-march-wisconsin-capitol-senate-moves-curtail-union-rights/#ixzz1EFs8Nl3i)


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Soflasnapper
02-17-2011, 05:22 PM
Anyone know why 2 GOP STATE SENATORS were also missing from the legislature meeting? Related, or a coincidence?

Soflasnapper
02-17-2011, 05:25 PM
Walker gins up ‘crisis’ to reward cronies
Link (http://host.madison.com/ct/news/opinion/editorial/article_61064e9a-27b0-5f28-b6d1-a57c8b2aaaf6.html)

"In its Jan. 31 memo to legislators on the condition of the state’s budget, the Fiscal Bureau determined that the state will end the year with a balance of $121.4 million.

To the extent that there is an imbalance -- Walker claims there is a $137 million deficit -- it is not because of a drop in revenues or increases in the cost of state employee contracts, benefits or pensions. It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January. If the Legislature were simply to rescind Walker’s new spending schemes -- or delay their implementation until they are offset by fresh revenues -- the “crisis” would not exist.

The Fiscal Bureau memo -- which readers can access at http://legis.wisconsin.gov/lfb... -- makes it clear that Walker did not inherit a budget that required a repair bill.

The facts are not debatable."


"State Rep. Mark Pocan, D-Madison, sums up this scheming accurately when he says: “In one fell swoop, Gov. Walker is trying to institute a sweeping radical and dangerous notion that will return Wisconsin to the days when land barons and railroad tycoons controlled the political elites in Madison.”

The bottom line is evident to anyone who cares to pay attention not to the spin but to the budget figures: Walker is manufacturing a fiscal “crisis” in order to achieve political goals.

Walker is not addressing a fiscal crisis.

He is not serving Wisconsin.

He is serving his own interest and those of the lobbyists who represent his campaign contributors."

Sev
02-17-2011, 05:25 PM
Have not heard. However they were not on the last train from Clarksville.

Soflasnapper
02-17-2011, 06:00 PM
The hard right now initiates their Cloward-Pivin strategies.

I've often felt that whatever they complain about, they're doing themselves. Cloward-Pivin, exactly.

Sev
02-17-2011, 06:50 PM
By the way the one senator that left was Cullens and he is a democrat.

pooltchr
02-17-2011, 06:52 PM
If all the Republicans left to prevent the Dems from voting on a bill, our leftist friends on here would be screaming Obstructionists from the top of their collective lungs!

Steve

Sev
02-17-2011, 07:07 PM
Very true.

Soflasnapper
02-18-2011, 02:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If all the Republicans left to prevent the Dems from voting on a bill, our leftist friends on here would be screaming Obstructionists from the top of their collective lungs!

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Obstructionism is when the GOP filibustered, forced cloture votes which require a 36 hour time period elapse to bring that vote, but the final vote was 98-0. They weren't against it, but were simply slow walking everything as a tactic. This happened repeatedly on various bills and nominees.

Here, these Democrats absolutely do not agree with this legislation, and will absolutely vote against it. Lacking any slick procedural rules like a filibuster to stall this vote so that the case can be argued to the people, they chose this tactic. The case is now being argued to the public, and they can weigh in with their representatives according to our system. Already, Republican members are proposing amendments, so this drastic change will not be railroaded through without better consideration.

The head of the Senate has requested the state troopers arrest the legislators to bring them to session. The head of the state troopers is his son, appointed by the new governor. I'd like to see the legal theory on why arrests are allowed for what is a political matter.

Qtec
02-18-2011, 03:12 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If all the Republicans left to prevent the Dems from voting on a bill, our leftist friends on here would be screaming Obstructionists from the top of their collective lungs!

Steve </div></div>

In case you missed it.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Walker is<u> manufacturing a fiscal “crisis” in order to achieve political goals.</u>

Walker is <u>not addressing a fiscal crisis</u>.

He is <u>not serving Wisconsin.</u>

He is <u>serving his own interest and those of the lobbyists who represent his campaign contributors."</u>
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So he takes a surplus and turns in into a deficit by giving tax cuts to special interests.
Uses the shortfall as an excuse to attack the unions and the middle class.
Threatens to bring in the Nat Guard if they complain about it and all you can do is blame the Dems!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In an interview with the Associated Press, Scott Walker proposed stripping nearly all government workers of their collective bargaining rights. <u>And as a warning shot across the bow, he told Wisconsin reporters Friday that he's alerted the National Guard ahead of any unrest, or in the event that state services are interrupted</u> </div></div>

So when Gov. Scott Walker (R-WI),

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... insisted he was not targeting public employees and that his primary concern was balancing the budget.

Read more: http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2011/02/10/1455148/wis-governor-wants-to-cut-union.html#ixzz1EIeizNiG
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He was lying.

Q

Once more to be sure you understand.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Furthermore, this broadside comes less than a month after the state's fiscal bureau -- the Wisconsin equivalent of the Congressional Budget Office -- concluded that Wisconsin isn't even in need of austerity measures, and could conclude the fiscal year with a surplus. <u>In fact, they say that the current budget shortfall is a direct result of tax cut policies Walker enacted in his first days in office.</u> </div></div>

LWW
02-18-2011, 04:53 AM
All that remains is for you to blame Bush.

LWW

Qtec
02-18-2011, 05:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All that remains is for you to blame Bush.

LWW </div></div>

Can't handle the truth eh?

Q

LWW
02-18-2011, 05:41 AM
I knew you could do it.

LWW

pooltchr
02-18-2011, 07:24 AM
Lots of pretty words there Sofla, but the fact remains that they are using a political tactic (your term) to prevent the opposition from passing a law. Whether it's a filabuster, or just running and hiding, their actions are designed to prevent a vote. How is one obstructionism and the other not?????

As for the arresting of them, I don't know as that is going to work. I suspect there might be some action that can be taken when an elected official fails to perform his/her job. The state of SC was ready to take legal action when their governor disappeared from the capital to conduct an affair in Argentina. The big point of contention wasn't the affair, but the fact that he wasn't available to do his job. Not sure of all the legalities there, but I suspect they could face some sort of action for failing to do their job.

Steve

Sev
02-18-2011, 07:59 AM
I wonder if WI has a recall option for its legislators???

Also the sock puppet and chief has inserted himself in to local politics again and the DNC is now busing people in.

The governor should should summarily fire all public employees that have been partaking in these demonstrations.

It will break the union and keep the White House out of local politics.

eg8r
02-18-2011, 10:07 AM
Didn't we have thread after thread around here from our two remaining lefty nutjobs about Reps blocking legislation? What are the chances they will hound these Dems the same way?

eg8r

pooltchr
02-18-2011, 11:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't we have thread after thread around here from our two remaining lefty nutjobs about Reps blocking legislation? What are the chances they will hound these Dems the same way?

eg8r </div></div>

I'd say slim and none....and slim is walking out the door!

Steve

Soflasnapper
02-18-2011, 12:18 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lots of pretty words there Sofla, but the fact remains that they are using a political tactic (your term) to prevent the opposition from passing a law. Whether it's a filabuster, or just running and hiding, their actions are designed to prevent a vote. How is one obstructionism and the other not?????

As for the arresting of them, I don't know as that is going to work. I suspect there might be some action that can be taken when an elected official fails to perform his/her job. The state of SC was ready to take legal action when their governor disappeared from the capital to conduct an affair in Argentina. The big point of contention wasn't the affair, but the fact that he wasn't available to do his job. Not sure of all the legalities there, but I suspect they could face some sort of action for failing to do their job.

Steve </div></div>

I think Wisconsin has a 'call to the Assembly' rule, which also applies to the Senate, under which it would be appropriate to use (well, in the US Capitol situation, the sargeant-at-arms) maybe some state equivalent here. Troopers might be the stand in, but whether 'arrest' is actually what they're doing or not, not sure.

Anyway, this is a tactic of an inherently short term nature. They aren't going to stay away for the whole month, let alone the whole year. I understand they've already given up and are trickling back. If that's not true yet, it will be soon. This will NOT block the vote indefinitely (as obstructionism would do), but block it TEMPORARILY, to allow fuller public knowledge of the issue and to get their input to the leg. And also, it isn't holding up x to get or stop another matter y, as obstructionism in the form of holds goes in the Senate.

It is to hold up this bill's vote, to consider this bill more fully, and then to have the vote, which is a certainty.

pooltchr
02-18-2011, 12:30 PM
IOW, the Dems are playing the old "take my ball and go home" game.

Very adult of them.

Steve

Soflasnapper
02-18-2011, 01:22 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IOW, the Dems are playing the old "take my ball and go home" game.

Very adult of them.

Steve </div></div>

How desperate of them. Sure, but it's a desperate situation, in their and many others view. Did it work, in terms of bringing a lot of state and national attention on this subject, and delaying the vote, and in fact, possibly getting key measures amended? Yes it did.

Doing an extreme thing is extreme, but may be warranted in extreme cases. If they begin to do this routinely, just to gum up the process, and even on things they AGREE with and eventually vote for, get back to me and I'll change my mind.

I guess I'm saying if it was obstruction, it was on the merits or demerits of this bill, and not about something else, not about slow-walking all bills to run out the clock, and is not anything more than a quite short term stall. Entirely limited to exactly its purpose, and no more.

pooltchr
02-18-2011, 02:18 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Anyway, this is a tactic of an inherently short term nature. They aren't going to stay away for the whole month, let alone the whole year. </div></div>

Actually, I heard today that they are saying they will stay away for "as long as necessary".

Steve

Sev
02-18-2011, 03:33 PM
Looks like OH and TN are going in the same direction.

The train is starting to pick up steam.

Obama and the DNC wont be able to ship people all across the country if more states make the same move.

OH and by the way.

Teachers in WI average 89,000+ a year in salary and benefits.
The private sector averages about 61,000 a year in salary and benefits.

Soflasnapper
02-18-2011, 06:25 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Anyway, this is a tactic of an inherently short term nature. They aren't going to stay away for the whole month, let alone the whole year. </div></div>

Actually, I heard today that they are saying they will stay away for "as long as necessary".

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So, conceivably 3 years and 10 months? Inconceivable.

Qtec
02-18-2011, 06:44 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't we have thread after thread around here from our two remaining lefty nutjobs about Reps blocking legislation? What are the chances they will hound these Dems the same way?

eg8r </div></div>

Another brainless post from the egg.

<u>Wasn't the GOP/TP on their </u><span style='font-size: 20pt'>'we will listen to the people'</span> crusade?

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/17494/slide_17494_242881_splash.jpg

Are they listening?

Q

pooltchr
02-18-2011, 09:10 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

<u>Wasn't the GOP/TP on their </u><span style='font-size: 20pt'>'we will listen to the people'</span> crusade?


Are they listening?

Q

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Well, the people said they wanted smaller, less intrusive government, lower taxes, and reduced government spending.

That seems to be what the Reps in WI are working toward.
Maybe the actually were listening!

Steve

Sev
02-18-2011, 10:16 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't we have thread after thread around here from our two remaining lefty nutjobs about Reps blocking legislation? What are the chances they will hound these Dems the same way?

eg8r </div></div>

Another brainless post from the egg.

<u>Wasn't the GOP/TP on their </u><span style='font-size: 20pt'>'we will listen to the people'</span> crusade?

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/17494/slide_17494_242881_splash.jpg

Are they listening?

Q

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Actually they are listening to the people of the state. Apparently parents and others are not amused by the antics going on and the governors office is being flooded with support.

I suspect that the unions and Obama by throwing support to the unions have miscalculated.

Its my understanding this weekend the Tea Party is moving to do a counter demonstration.

We will see what the union thug behavior is like then.

Qtec
02-19-2011, 03:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, the people said they wanted smaller,<span style="color: #990000">No they didn't.</span> less intrusive government, <span style="color: #990000">No they didn't.</span>lower taxes,<span style="color: #990000">No they didn't.</span> and reduced government spending.<span style="color: #990000">Yes they did but it wasn't the main issue.</span> </div></div>

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2011/01/20/image7265950.gif

It was <u>all about jobs</u> and what does newly elected Republican Gov. Scott Walker do?
Answer, put more people out of work.


Also.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The key to winning the battle in Wisconsin is how much endurance the protestors will have in remaining vigilant and how much pressure they can force the business community to bring to bear on Governor Walker. It remains unclear whether people are willing to skip work and other important things for the weeks that it might take to win this fight. Every day, the Wisconsin GOP has dismissed the protests saying they won’t last another day, but each day the protests get bigger by estimates of about ten thousand people each day. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>These protests have been successful in gaining a great deal of public support. A new statewide poll shows that 65 percent of Wisconsin residents think that Walker has gone too far in his attack on public employees. </span></div></div>

Is he listening?

Q

LWW
02-19-2011, 05:36 AM
That isn't "THE PEOPLE" ... that is gubmint employees which make up a small portion of the population.

LWW

LWW
02-19-2011, 05:37 AM
Exactly what position in congress do you believe Scott Walker holds Q?

LWW

eg8r
02-19-2011, 05:02 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Another brainless post from the egg.
</div></div>LOL, with you being a mile down the totem pole you sure are not giving yourself much credit.

eg8r

Sev
02-19-2011, 10:13 PM
Looked like a nice counter demonstration today.

Sev
02-20-2011, 07:52 AM
HAHHAAHA!!

Apparently there was a table set up at the demonstration where fake doctors excuses were being handed out to teachers.

Apparently it is all on video.

Now that is mature.

Fire all of them I say!!!

LWW
02-20-2011, 08:35 AM
My vote is to give them three hots and a cot.

This has trespassed into criminal behavior ... and oddly coincides with the "OAF" storm troopers arrival.

LWW

Soflasnapper
02-20-2011, 07:25 PM
What crimes do you see taking place here?

LWW
02-21-2011, 02:03 AM
1 - Striking in violation of their contract.

2 - Falsifying medical records to be paid for days they take off and are not sick.

3 - Promoting juvenile delinquency.

Hows that for a start?

LWW

Soflasnapper
02-21-2011, 02:32 AM
Were they true, these are not crimes of the unions; two are false on their face (1,3).

LWW
02-21-2011, 03:27 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Were they true, these are not crimes of the unions; two are false on their face (1,3). </div></div>

Actually #1 is right:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Madison Metropolitan School District said its closing all schools to students Wednesday due to “substantial concerns of excessive staff absences.”

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>The move comes after the head of the Madison teachers union called Madison Metropolitan School District Superintendent Dan Nerad to recommend that he close schools Wednesday, saying few staff members represented by the union will be present.</span>

Teachers in the Madison Metropolitan School District are planning a district-wide absence Wednesday to protest against Republican Gov. Scott Walker’s proposal to take away collective bargaining rights.

More than 10,000 people, including many teachers, came to the Capitol on Tuesday to protest against Walker’s proposal and testify at a public hearing on the measure.

John Matthews, the leader of Madison Teachers Inc., said Tuesday that it’s the first coordinated absence in 16 years. He urged Nerad to cancel classes as union representatives contacted 4,500 members to call in sick.
…The district said that as of late Tuesday night, 40 percent of the 2,600 members of the teacher bargaining unit called in sick, and it was expected that the number would continue to increase through Wednesday morning.
District officials said that despite a substantial number of substitute teachers, there are not enough available teachers to come close to filling the need for Wednesday.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>The district said that all Madison Metropolitan School District staff members will be expected to report to school Wednesday to meet their contractual obligations.</span>

The superintendent said he is requiring teacher absences be verified by a doctor’s note or some other means for the rest of the week. Nerad didn’t say what would happen if a “sick” teacher turned up on the Capitol steps.
“So let’s take this a step at a time, be sure our children continue to be educated, and we’ll make whatever judgments we need to at a later time,” Nerad said. </div></div>

But, you already knew that. (http://www.wisn.com/news/26880312/detail.html)

LWW

LWW
02-21-2011, 03:29 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Were they true, these are not crimes of the unions; two are false on their face (1,3). </div></div>

Actually, #3 is correct also:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Teachers and students in Wisconsin are protesting Governor Scott Walker's budget bill. But it's not a mark of democracy: instead, teachers have been taking kids out of school to march on the Capitol in Madison. It's being called a "sickout" -- and it's illegal.


"Teachers are joining protests planned today at the State Capitol," one witness to the protest said. "Yesterday, more than half of the student body of Madison East High School walked out with the support and assistance of their teachers."

Here's footage of the students in action (courtesy of the MacIver Institute):

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And I suspect you already knew this also. (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wisconsin-teachers-take-students-class-protest_550230.html)

LWW

Chopstick
02-21-2011, 05:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Fire all of them I say!!! </div></div>

At this point I agree. This isn't about the teachers anymore. It is about the union. They are the only ones who have anything substantial to lose.

My question is, what is the procedure for firing those representatives who have clearly failed to show up for work?

Of course, it is none of my business because I do not live in that state. Do you hear me Mr President?

LWW
02-21-2011, 06:11 AM
What we need is a Reagan moment.

A good start would be that all teachers who cannot show that a physician/hospital/medical clinic filed a claim against the state employee's insurance plan for services rendered on the date in question be terminated immediately.

A second step would be that all teachers who took minor students to the protests be fired immediately.

A third step would be that any physician who issued false medical excuses be banned from participating in the state employees insurance plan and be reviewed for possible license suspension.

Further, teachers who took sick pay fraudulently should be given three business days to reimburse the state of face prosecution.

LWW

JohnnyD
02-21-2011, 12:11 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">HAHHAAHA!!

Apparently there was a table set up at the demonstration where fake doctors excuses were being handed out to teachers.

Apparently it is all on video.

Now that is mature.

Fire all of them I say!!! </div></div>Excellent post

Sev
02-22-2011, 11:58 AM
With all the wailing going on. It seems to have escaped notice that the state of Virginia does not allow collective bargaining and they have a surplus.

Coincidence???

Sev
02-22-2011, 05:41 PM
WOW.

A whopping 34% of 8th graders are proficient at reading in Wisconsin.

Based on that type of performance I would say the unions have negotiated for a fantastic rate of failure.

Great job!!!

LWW
02-23-2011, 03:37 AM
Perhaps we just haven't invested enough?

LWW

Qtec
02-23-2011, 03:59 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to the same report quoted in the article, Wisconsin is slightly better than the national average.

For 4th graders:
The nation scored 34% below basic reading, 34% basic reading, and 31% proficient or above.

Wisconsin scored 33% below basic reading, 35% basic reading, and 31% proficient or above.

For 8th graders:
The nation scored 26% below basic reading, 43% basic reading, and 30% proficient or above.

Wisconsin scored 22% below basic reading, 44% basic reading, and 34% proficient or above.

Q </div></div>

Qtec
02-23-2011, 04:01 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What we need is a Reagan moment. </div></div>

Triple the Nat Debt?
Fund the deficit by selling arms to Al Q?

Q

LWW
02-23-2011, 04:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Fund the deficit by selling arms to Al Q?

Q </div></div>

That would be a Clinton moment.

LWW

Sev
02-23-2011, 08:54 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to the same report quoted in the article, Wisconsin is slightly better than the national average.

For 4th graders:
The nation scored 34% below basic reading, 34% basic reading, and 31% proficient or above.

Wisconsin scored 33% below basic reading, 35% basic reading, and 31% proficient or above.

For 8th graders:
The nation scored 26% below basic reading, 43% basic reading, and 30% proficient or above.

Wisconsin scored 22% below basic reading, 44% basic reading, and 34% proficient or above.

Q </div></div> </div></div>

Its still failure no matter how you slice it.

Qtec
02-23-2011, 09:01 AM
Its still above the national average.

Q

Sev
02-23-2011, 09:05 AM
And an above average failing grade is acceptable??? As opposed a below average failing grade????

Sev
02-28-2011, 11:36 AM
Fleeing Democrats facing recall.

Soflasnapper
02-28-2011, 12:49 PM
They were elected from Democratic areas. Democrats support their actions. I don't see how any recall effort won't fail under that set of facts. Not that a sure loss would prevent the efforts, of course.

Sev
02-28-2011, 01:52 PM
Seems that their running out on the state is being frowned upon more and more.

Non budgetary bills are being voted on and passed without the dems representing their constituents.
Not all democrats are concerned solely with the unions as opposed to the union bosses.

Sev
03-09-2011, 06:14 PM
Walker pulling the trigger on the Nuclear option!!!!

The unions are going down!!!