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LWW
02-18-2011, 06:19 AM
Planned Parenthood was founded by Margaret Sanger for the express purpose "that we want to exterminate the Negro population."

OH MY! (http://www.blackinformant.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/quotes.pdf)

LWW

LWW
02-18-2011, 06:20 AM
Some on the left will scoff at this since it was said 72 years ago. They are in full denial that Planned Parenthood is still accepting donations to be set aside fopr the express purpose of aborting only black babies.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tapes of the calls to New Mexico and Oklahoma Planned Parenthood branches were released on Wednesday. Lila Rose, a UCLA undergraduate who ran the study, told FOX News that tapes for the final three states will be released within the next few weeks.

Rose claimed that Planned Parenthood development officials in all seven states that her group contacted gave similar responses and were encouraging donations that were limited to funding only abortions for black women.

A spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood wrote FOX News that the group questioned the “authenticity of elements of these edited tapes” and added that Planned Parenthood had expanded its employee training program so that employees understand that “our organization helps all individuals — regardless of gender, race, or sexual orientation.”

Rose denied that the tapes were edited and asked, “Why are they apologizing for what is on the tapes when they are simultaneously telling the media not to cover this issue because they say that the tapes were edited?” Planned Parenthood did not respond to questions about how it knew the tapes were edited.

Rose said that the study was done both because of the controversal views of Planned Parenthood's founder, Margaret Sanger, and Rose’s belief that the group was still following those founding principles. Sanger advocated using birth control, sterilization, and abortion to weed out "the problem of the dependent, delinquent and defective elements in modern society."

Rose also noted that she was concerned that “80 percent of Planned Parenthood clinics are in minority neighborhoods.”</div></div>

OH DEAR! (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,348649,00.html)

LWW

LWW
02-18-2011, 06:25 AM
Due to public funding, the genocide of abortion continues. Planned Parenthood's original goal of eliminating minorities and "defective" poor whites continues.

Sadly, due to the fact that this industry is one of the largest funders of the democrook party ... the rank and file leftist continues to support this without knowledge of the truth.

http://www.abort73.com/images/race-graph-2011.gif

LWW

Soflasnapper
02-18-2011, 12:59 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Planned Parenthood was founded by Margaret Sanger for the express purpose "that we want to exterminate the Negro population."

OH MY! (http://www.blackinformant.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/quotes.pdf)

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This is a hideous lie, or perhaps a total fail at reading comprehension. I understand from experience that if there is any nuance to some language, LWW may not understand it, or may pretend not to understand it. That appears to the case here.

Sanger wrote that she didn't want word to get out on the street that they were trying to exterminate the Negro population, not because that was what they were really doing, but because they were not doing that (but it had already been alleged by Marcus Garvey and others).

The Truth about Margaret Sanger (http://www.plannedparenthoodnj.org/library/topic/contraception/margaret_sanger) is a lengthy discussion about the good, the bad, and the ugly, of her record, which see for a more complete view including the 'rest of the story.'

The rest of the story includes this:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sanger's Outreach to the African-American Community

In 1930, Sanger opened a family planning clinic in Harlem that sought to enlist support for contraceptive use and to bring the benefits of family planning to women who were denied access to their city's health and social services. Staffed by a black physician and black social worker, the clinic was endorsed by The Amsterdam News (the powerful local newspaper), the Abyssinian Baptist Church, the Urban League, and the black community's elder statesman, W.E.B. DuBois.

Beginning in 1939, DuBois also served on the advisory council for Sanger's "Negro Project," which was a "unique experiment in race-building and humanitarian service to a race subjected to discrimination, hardship, and segregation” (Chesler, 1992). The Negro Project served African-Americans in the rural South. Other leaders of the African-American community who were involved in the project included Mary McLeod Bethune, founder of the National Council of Negro Women, and Adam Clayton Powell Jr., pastor of the Abyssinian Baptist Church in Harlem. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> A passionate opponent of racism, Sanger predicted in 1942 that the "Negro question" would be foremost on the country's domestic agenda after World War II. Her accomplishments on behalf of the African-American community were unchallengeable during her lifetime and remain so today. In 1966, the year Sanger died, the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. said:

There is a striking kinship between our movement and Margaret Sanger's early efforts. . . . Our sure beginning in the struggle for equality by nonviolent direct action may not have been so resolute without the tradition established by Margaret Sanger and people like her.

Charges of racism against Sanger are most often made by anti-choice activists who are unfamiliar with the history of the African-American community or with Margaret Sanger's collegial relationship with that community's leaders. The tangled fabric of lies and manipulation woven by anti-choice activists around the issues of class, race, and family planning continues to be embroidered today, more than three-quarters of a century after the family planning movement began.</div></div>

Soflasnapper
02-18-2011, 01:05 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Due to public funding, the genocide of abortion continues. Planned Parenthood's original goal of eliminating minorities and "defective" poor whites continues.

Sadly, due to the fact that this industry is one of the largest funders of the democrook party ... the rank and file leftist continues to support this without knowledge of the truth.

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The Hyde Amendment makes your first comment rather unlikely, even taking out the hyperbolic claim of 'genocide' that is nowhere to be seen. Abortion at whatever levels it's occuring in is not achieving any kind of genocide. If you think it is, name the racial cohort or any cohort which is declining in numbers at all, let alone to levels that threaten extinction of that cohort.

Your second claim, that the abortion industry is one of the largest funders of the Democrats, is entirely untrue so far as I know. What is your claimed titanic amount of donations from them that make them which rank of donor, in your unlikely claim here?

pooltchr
02-18-2011, 02:14 PM
It may not matter. The house voted today to defund Planned Parenthood.

Oh yeah, I "love" the editorial headline the ACLU used in reporting this little tidbit!!

http://www.aclu.org/reproductive-freedom/house-passes-misguided-amendment-defund-planned-parenthood

Steve

Sev
02-18-2011, 03:37 PM
Ahh dam Steve you beat me to it.

Soflasnapper
02-18-2011, 05:25 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It may not matter. The house voted today to defund Planned Parenthood.

Oh yeah, I "love" the editorial headline the ACLU used in reporting this little tidbit!!

http://www.aclu.org/reproductive-freedom/house-passes-misguided-amendment-defund-planned-parenthood

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If what happens in the House determines what happens in the Senate, we'd have cap and trade as a law right now. I imagine you know that didn't happen, right?

Since the GOP is having trouble delivering on their promised levels of cuts, angering their TP caucus and the TP people, they are going to the culture wars playbook.

Unfortunately for the people, and against the advice of some Republicans who have said the culture wars are a side issue distraction from jobs and the economy, this has nothing to do with pressing issues, and everything to do with pandering to that crowd.

LWW
02-18-2011, 05:52 PM
Then put these in the proper context:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with
social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most
successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal.
We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro
population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if
it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race." </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"The third group [of society] are those irresponsible and reckless
ones having little regard for the consequences of their acts, or whose
religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers.
Many of this group are diseased, feeble-minded, and are of the pauper
element dependent upon the normal and fit members of society for their
support. There is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the
procreation of this group should be stopped." </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Give dysgenic groups [people with 'bad genes'] in our population
their choice of segregation or [compulsory] sterilization." </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"As an advocate of birth control I wish ... to point out that the
unbalance between the birth rate of the 'unfit' and the 'fit,' admittedly
the greatest present menace to civilization, can never be rectified by the
inauguration of a cradle competition between these two classes. In this
matter, the example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feeble-
minded, the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken classes, should not be
held up for emulation.

On the contrary, the most urgent problem today is how to limit and
discourage the over-fertility of the mentally and physically defective." </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"I think you must agree ... that the campaign for birth control is not
merely of eugenic value, but is practically identical with the final aims
of eugenics ... Birth control propaganda is thus the entering wedge for the
eugenic educator." </div></div>

What nuance have I missed?

Edify us.

LWW

Soflasnapper
02-18-2011, 06:22 PM
Right there in the first quote block.

I already described what was meant there. That the FALSE idea that they were trying to exterminate blacks, as some in that community said when they tried to provide bc services, was to be stopped, using the method she described.

If you review the link I provided, it is clear that Sanger did not support exterminating blacks or any particular race, because all races had those worthy and unworthy of procreation, in her view. She also opposed killing them instead of preventing their procreating.

So, genocide? Extermination? Not at all, and not even close.

Qtec
02-18-2011, 06:50 PM
The Left loves genocide. That's why they love dictators and tyrants.

That's why they fund RW terrorists around the world.

That's why they sell arms to to countries deemed terrorist countries.

That's why they support oppressive regimes who can do what they want to the population as long as they are friendly to Israel.


..or is that the Republicans...MMMMMMMMM.

The Shah of Iran.
Saddam in Iraq.
Mubarak in Egypt.

How did that work out then?????????


If the USA had supported<u> the people</u> of these countries [ instead of the Dictators ] and helped them choose their own Govt, the world would be a safer place.

Q

Q

LWW
02-19-2011, 04:03 AM
That's precious.

Isn't using Planned Parenthood as a source of "TRUTH" about PP's founder like asking the Nazi's if Hitler was really a bad guy?

But, in your defense, it was on the spoon.

LWW

LWW
02-19-2011, 04:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Left loves genocide. That's why they love dictators and tyrants.

That's why they fund RW terrorists around the world.

That's why they sell arms to to countries deemed terrorist countries.

That's why they support oppressive regimes who can do what they want to the population as long as they are friendly to Israel.


..or is that the Republicans...MMMMMMMMM.

The Shah of Iran.
Saddam in Iraq.
Mubarak in Egypt.

How did that work out then?????????


If the USA had supported<u> the people</u> of these countries [ instead of the Dictators ] and helped them choose their own Govt, the world would be a safer place.

Q

Q </div></div>

Actually, all three of those were leftists.

As were/are Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Pot, Castro, Che, and Amin.

Did you have a point?

What's that?

None at all?

Nobody thought you did.

LWW

LWW
02-19-2011, 04:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the USA had supported<u> the people</u> of these countries [ instead of the Dictators ] and helped them choose their own Govt, the world would be a safer place.

Q </div></div>

So ... you blame the US for meddling in the internal affairs of other countries because we don't meddle enough in the internal affairs of other countries.

Yes, the doublethink is strong in you.

LWW

Qtec
02-19-2011, 05:00 AM
Yeah..rrrrrrrrrright. Tree huggers the lot of them.

Q.... /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif [ LWW has been watching too much Beck ]

Qtec
02-19-2011, 05:02 AM
I blame them for supporting dictators who oppress the people.
The result is inevitable, as you are seeing right now.

Q

LWW
02-19-2011, 05:50 AM
So tell us how Khomeini improved the life of the average Iranian?

LWW

LWW
02-19-2011, 11:46 AM
So I guess I didn't actually miss any nuance?

LWW

Soflasnapper
02-20-2011, 08:30 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's precious.

Isn't using Planned Parenthood as a source of "TRUTH" about PP's founder like asking the Nazi's if Hitler was really a bad guy?

But, in your defense, it was on the spoon.

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Either PP's claimed quotes from Martin Luther King, Jr. regarding Sanger, and her connection with W.E.B. Dubois and other black leaders in Harlem and elsewhere, are true or they are false.

If you'd like to show they are false, please proceed.

If you have nothing that shows that, I understand your pitiful resort to the ad hominem fallacy of argument (as that is your go-to move, so far as I've seen).

Because NOBODY would believe that W.E.B. Dubois or MLK, Jr. would ever support the 'extermination of the black race,' yet they fulsomely supported Sanger, who you claim admitted that was her goal.

LWW
02-21-2011, 03:13 AM
Actually you haven't presented anything which supports any of that ... but I already knew that.

Now, you claimed I missed the nuance of the statements.

I asked you to show where they were inaccurate.

Where is your evidence?

What's that?

You don't have any?

Imagine that.

As an add on ... in her autobiography she talked about speaking before the women's auxiliary of the Ku Klux Klan and authored "WOMAN AND THE NEW RACE."

She also was an avowed Marxist and published several articles in "THE CALL" which was the party paper of the Socialist Party of America.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Woman_And_The_New_Race.png

OH DEAR! Did I miss any nuance there? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman_and_the_new_race)

LWW

Soflasnapper
02-21-2011, 09:55 AM
The evidence is that the two greatest leaders of two generations of blacks worked closely with her, and they would not participate in the extermination, or an attempt to exterminate, the black race. Therefore, in their opinion, that isn't what she was doing or trying to do. Unless it be thought these two giants of American history were quite stupid, these are two character witnesses that are a bulwark against your poor reading comprehension related false allegations.

LWW
02-21-2011, 05:11 PM
So my choice is should I believe a man who believes in Obregon-human hybrids and Gunther Nussbacher ... or my lying eyes?

LWW

JohnnyD
02-21-2011, 06:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So my choice is should I believe a man who believes in Obregon-human hybrids and Gunther Nussbacher ... or my lying eyes?

LWW </div></div>Excellent post.

Stretch
02-21-2011, 09:14 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JohnnyD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So my choice is should I believe a man who believes in Obregon-human hybrids and Gunther Nussbacher ... or my lying eyes?

LWW </div></div>Excellent post. </div></div>

Excellent deflection. St.

Sev
02-21-2011, 09:45 PM
She had a good sales pitch.