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Qtec
02-19-2011, 05:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wisconsin Budget Law Would Put Governor In Charge Of Medicaid -- So He Can Stop Health Care Law

It's pretty clear that the end game for all this is to defund state Medicaid programs and make it impossible to serve as part of the new health care safety net. What, you thought Republicans were above dirty tricks like playing with people's lives?

CHICAGO -- The 14 Democratic state senators who left Wisconsin to avoid a vote on Thursday said that they will only return when Gov. Scott Walker is ready to talk.

That’s according to Sen. Jon Erpenbach, of Middleton, one of the absent lawmakers, who is currently in Chicago. Earlier on Thursday, all 14 senators had been together at the Clock Tower Resort hotel in Rockford, Ill. The legislators were fanned out across Illinois on Friday morning.

[...] "This is an extreme piece of legislation, and this was our only option, as extreme as it was," he said.
Walker said he’s looking at legal options to bring the missing lawmakers back to the Capitol, but no Wisconsin law can compel Erpenbach and the other 13 Democrats who fled the state to return.

“(Walker’s) job is to lead responsibly; his job is to lead by consensus, if at all possible. It’s his job to sit down and talk to people about here’s where we are, how are we all going to get where we all need to be”, said Erpenbach.

[...] He’s concerned about what many protesters may not know, that the budget bill does more than strip away public workers’ collective bargaining rights and increase their contributions to their health care and pensions. It also leaves the future of the state’s health care programs up in the air.

<span style="color: #3333FF">“There are some substantial Medicaid changes in here where the governor, all of a sudden, is in charge of Medicaid,</span> which is SeniorCare, which is BadgerCare. And <span style="color: #3333FF">he has never once said what he intends to do,</span>” said Erpenbach.

For those who felt the move by the group, now dubbed the "Wisconsin 14"’, was a sign of their unwillingness to bend, Erpenbach said this:

<span style='font-size: 17pt'><span style="color: #990000">“In the end, what’s going to happen is the public employees are going to pay on their pension and pay on their health care. We all know that, they all know that. They’re OK with that.</span> <u>The one thing the public employees do not understand is why (Walker) is going after unions.</u>”</span> </div></div>

The assault on the MC continues.

Q.. with video...Dems explain. (http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/wisconsin-budget-law-would-put-govern)

http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/vfs/2011/02/1.jpg

pooltchr
02-19-2011, 08:33 AM
If you actually believe this, you are far less informed than I had ever imagined.

Steve

Gayle in MD
02-19-2011, 08:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wisconsin Budget Law Would Put Governor In Charge Of Medicaid -- So He Can Stop Health Care Law

It's pretty clear that the end game for all this is to defund state Medicaid programs and make it impossible to serve as part of the new health care safety net. What, you thought Republicans were above dirty tricks like playing with people's lives?

CHICAGO -- The 14 Democratic state senators who left Wisconsin to avoid a vote on Thursday said that they will only return when Gov. Scott Walker is ready to talk.

That’s according to Sen. Jon Erpenbach, of Middleton, one of the absent lawmakers, who is currently in Chicago. Earlier on Thursday, all 14 senators had been together at the Clock Tower Resort hotel in Rockford, Ill. The legislators were fanned out across Illinois on Friday morning.

[...] "This is an extreme piece of legislation, and this was our only option, as extreme as it was," he said.
Walker said he’s looking at legal options to bring the missing lawmakers back to the Capitol, but no Wisconsin law can compel Erpenbach and the other 13 Democrats who fled the state to return.

“(Walker’s) job is to lead responsibly; his job is to lead by consensus, if at all possible. It’s his job to sit down and talk to people about here’s where we are, how are we all going to get where we all need to be”, said Erpenbach.

[...] He’s concerned about what many protesters may not know, that the budget bill does more than strip away public workers’ collective bargaining rights and increase their contributions to their health care and pensions. It also leaves the future of the state’s health care programs up in the air.

<span style="color: #3333FF">“There are some substantial Medicaid changes in here where the governor, all of a sudden, is in charge of Medicaid,</span> which is SeniorCare, which is BadgerCare. And <span style="color: #3333FF">he has never once said what he intends to do,</span>” said Erpenbach.

For those who felt the move by the group, now dubbed the "Wisconsin 14"’, was a sign of their unwillingness to bend, Erpenbach said this:

<span style='font-size: 17pt'><span style="color: #990000">“In the end, what’s going to happen is the public employees are going to pay on their pension and pay on their health care. We all know that, they all know that. They’re OK with that.</span> <u>The one thing the public employees do not understand is why (Walker) is going after unions.</u>”</span> </div></div>

The assault on the MC continues.

Q.. with video...Dems explain. (http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/wisconsin-budget-law-would-put-govern)

http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/vfs/2011/02/1.jpg </div></div>

Wisconsin events have shined a spotlight upon Republican Fascism.

We will see far more of their underhanded, fascist plans, to destroy our democracy, by causing civil unrest, going forward.

The right is a lost cause, so dumb they are not worth our time, but Independents, will turn against the freedom blocking, RW Fascist agenda. Some Americans have not yet been fully brainwashed by Faux Noise, and the repulsive RW pundits.

G.

pooltchr
02-19-2011, 08:55 AM
Poor Gayle. Your blind hatred has turned you into a raving lunatic on this forum.

Time for another vacation??? Or maybe check into a place that deals with problems like yours?

Just making a friendly suggestion.

Steve

LWW
02-19-2011, 11:32 AM
Perhaps another trip on her corn powered boat so she can complain about how capitalism causes global warming?

LWW

Qtec
02-20-2011, 04:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you actually believe this, you are far less informed than I had ever imagined.

Steve </div></div>

Really?


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'><u>Union leaders offer concessions</u></span>

Top leaders of two of Wisconsin's largest public employee unions announced <span style='font-size: 17pt'>they are willing to accept the financial concessions called for in Walker's plan</span>, <span style="color: #990000"> SO IT"S NOT THE MONEY </span><span style='font-size: 20pt'>but will not accept the loss of collective bargaining rights.</span>

Mary Bell, president of the Wisconsin Education Association Council, and Marty Beil, executive director of AFSCME Council 24, said in a conference call with reporters <u>that workers will do their fair share to narrow Wisconsin's budget gap.</u>

Walker's plan calls for nearly all state, local and school employees to pay half the costs of their pensions and at least 12.6 percent of their health care premiums. That would save $30 million by June 30 and $300 million over the next two years, the governor has said.

<u>The measure also would prohibit most unionized public employees,</u> <span style='font-size: 26pt'>except local police and fire fighters and the State Patrol, from bargaining on issues besides wages.</span> Wage hikes could be negotiated only if they don't exceed the consumer price index.
<span style="color: #990000"> If Unions are the problem then why is this group exempt?</span>

"We want to say loud and clear — it is not about those concessions," Bell said. <span style='font-size: 23pt'>"For my members, it's about retaining a voice in their professions."</span>

The two insisted their positions have not changed and Friday's call was intended to clarify their opposition to Walker's proposal. Bell, who represents 98,000 educators, and Beil, whose council includes 60,000 members, repeated calls for Walker to sit down with them.

<span style="color: #990000">Senate Democrats also reached out to Walker, sending him a letter urging him to remove the bargaining provisions from his bill.

But Walker repeated that he would not back down.</span> </div></div>

link (http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_a05349be-3be1-11e0-b0a1-001cc4c002e0.html)

This is not about money. This is an attack on Unions, the working class and democracy, pure and simple.

Watch this. Another part of the plan.

watch the video (http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/what-your-representatives-did-while-you-wer)


Rachel explains the whole thing for you in 9 mins, got the time to learn the truth...before its too late?

link (http://shoqvalue.com/rachel-maddow-wisconsin-is-about-the-survival-of-the-democratic-party)

Q

cushioncrawler
02-20-2011, 04:47 AM
Its kleer to me that Walker only wanted to bekum governor for purely politikal reezons.
mac.

Qtec
02-20-2011, 05:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its kleer to me that Walker only wanted to bekum governor for purely politikal reezons.
mac. </div></div>

Well spotted C. The guy is an employee of the Koch Bros. Its all part of the plan.

Q

LWW
02-20-2011, 06:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its kleer to me that Walker only wanted to bekum governor for purely politikal reezons.
mac. </div></div>

<span style='font-size: 26pt'><span style='font-family: Arial Black'>D'UH!</span></span>

LWW

LWW
02-20-2011, 06:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its kleer to me that Walker only wanted to bekum governor for purely politikal reezons.
mac. </div></div>

Well spotted C. The guy is an employee of the Koch Bros. Its all part of the plan.

Q </div></div>

And?

LWW

cushioncrawler
02-20-2011, 06:59 AM
I thort i shood say sumpin that both sides kood agree on.
mac.

LWW
02-20-2011, 07:32 AM
What are the dirty tricks you refer to?

The only ones I've seen are by the democrook unions.

In America promoting the delinquency of a minor is a crime.

In America promoting the contract the union signed by striking is grounds for dismissal.

In America promoting the fraudulent records for pay is a crime.

In America issuing false medical papers is a crime.

Why are you so happy to see criminals breaking the law with impunity?

LWW

pooltchr
02-20-2011, 08:18 AM
Q,
If that is his motivation, more power to him!
I do not believe that public employees (those who are paid by taxpayer dollars) should be unionized anyway. They are PUBLIC SERVANTS. Do you think members of the military should have union representation? Imagine the potential chaos that could cause. Air traffic controllers? We've seen the results of that disaster, and we had a leader who handled it the right way.

We've seen teachers go on strike in the past, and the only people it hurts are the students who aren't getting the education they deserve, and the citizens who pay the teachers salary, who are held hostage to the teacher union demands.

I live in a right to work state. That means I enter into an agreement with an employer to provide my service for a salary we agree upon. If things change, and I want more money, I go to my employer and state my case. If he agrees, I get a raise. If he doesn't, I don't. But, I have the option of staying at my old pay rate, or going somewhere else to sell my services. It all works very well, and I don't pay money to someone to negotiate for me. I get to make my own decisions.

Unions will tell their members how much they are going to make. Why would I want to give that authority to someone else, when I already have it myself?

Steve