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Qtec
02-21-2011, 07:23 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>Republicans attack unions to hurt Democrats</span>

MADISON, Wisconsin — Republican attempts to disband public workers unions in Wisconsin and other key states are part of a broad strategy to undermine US President Barak Obama and his Democrats at the ballot box, analysts said.

<u>Unions have been the biggest sources of financial and grass roots, get-out-the-vote organizational support for Democrats and have long been a target of business-backed Republicans.
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<span style='font-size: 14pt'>But they've seen their power and membership rolls shrink as the manufacturing sector declined and shifted to anti-union southern states, and now represent <u>just 12 percent of US workers.</u></span>

Public workers account for more than half of union rolls, even though a dozen states prohibit state and local government workers from forming unions.

And now Republican governors in Wisconsin, Ohio, Indiana and Iowa are looking to curtail or even eliminate collective bargaining rights for state and local government employees.

The move to bust public unions is part of a broader attempt "to bring us closer to a more permanent Republican majority," said Marjorie Hershey, a political science professor at Indiana University.

Republicans won a major victory last year when the Supreme Court overturned a ban on corporate spending in elections.

The flood of new money -- $190 million by conservative groups compared with $94 million from liberals -- helped propel Republicans to win back the House of Representatives and make major gains at the state level in November's mid-term election.

The state-level gains will have far-reaching implications as legislators undertake the once-a-decade task of redrawing political maps in accordance with new census figures, a highly partisan process.

In the winner-take-all, essentially two-party US political system, creating a district where just 55 percent of voters support one party is usually all it takes to guarantee a win.

So politicians seek to pack the support base of opponents in as few constituencies as possible or break it up so that they are in the minority in several districts.

Republicans have total control over the legislature and governor's mansions in 20 states while Democrats control just 11.

Curtailing collective bargaining rights for public workers unions will essentially cut them off at the knees and that will have significant consequences for Democrats, said John Brehm, a political science professor at the University of Chicago.

Unions were the only liberal groups to make the top 10 list of groups spending money on the 2010 election outside of the more regulated political party system, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>"If the unions are now out of the game, it shifts over heavily for the Republican interests for 2012,"</span> Brehm told AFP.

Unions are also extremely successful at getting voters to the polls -- a key factor in the United States where turnout reached just 41.6 percent of eligible voters in the 2010 mid-term election and 62.2 percent in the hotly-contested 2008 presidential election.

The mobilization power of unions was vividly apparent this week as tens of thousands of people flooded Wisconsin's state capitol to protest a bill aimed at busting public service workers unions.

Newly-elected Republican Governor Scott Walker was unbowed by the days of mass protests and insists that the only way to get his state's finances "on track" is to eliminate collective bargaining rights so public workers can't fight pay and benefit cuts.

Fighting unions is "almost an article of faith" for Republicans who see them as "a block in the path of capitalism," said Ken Janda, emeritus professor of political science at Northwestern University.

And the current budget crisis facing state and local governments gives them political cover and support from anxious taxpayers at <span style='font-size: 14pt'>a time when nine percent of Americans are unemployed <span style='font-size: 20pt'>and private sector workers have seen wages fall and benefits slashed. </span></span></div></div>


link (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/19/republicans-attack-unions-to-hurt-democrats-analysts/print/)

Q

Sev
02-21-2011, 09:25 PM
Actually its closer to 20% under and unemployment.

Great numbers.

You forget that until recently unions in the federal government were Illegal due to national security concerns.
It would seem that they should have been illegal for state security concerns as well.

LWW
02-22-2011, 03:38 AM
That is utter and complete nonsense ... which explains why you embrace it.

LWW

Qtec
02-22-2011, 04:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is utter and complete nonsense ... which explains why you embrace it.

LWW </div></div>

Should be easy to disprove then.

Q

Gayle in MD
02-22-2011, 06:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Republicans attack unions to hurt Democrats</span></div></div>

They won't be happy until they bring back sweat shops.

Too bad the right insists on voting against their own best interests, and the best interests of Middle Class American Workers, but then, the ONLY thing Republicans care about is gaininig power, regardless of the devastating impact over the long haul.

G.

Qtec
02-22-2011, 06:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They won't be happy until they bring back sweat shops. </div></div>

The plan is to reduce USA wages to 3rd world standards. That way they will be no more influx from Mexico. If they [ the GOP ] have their way, conditions for the average worker in The USA will be so bad, the illegals will flood back to Mexico in order to be paid a decent wage.

Immigration problem solved!

Q

LWW
02-22-2011, 07:14 AM
I see the two of you are back on the swamp water.

LWW

Gayle in MD
02-22-2011, 07:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They won't be happy until they bring back sweat shops. </div></div>

The plan is to reduce USA wages to 3rd world standards. That way they will be no more influx from Mexico. If they [ the GOP ] have their way, conditions for the average worker in The USA will be so bad, the illegals will flood back to Mexico in order to be paid a decent wage.

Immigration problem solved!

Q </div></div>

Yep, we've already seen many going back, since the deep Bush Recession began.

Think about it.

Republicans voted against equal pay for equal work, for women.

Voted against aid for our Veterans.

Are trying to do away with Plannned Parenthood, at a time when Medical Insurance calls being a woman, a pre-existing condition, and new born babies with health issues, not insurable, also called a pre-existing condition, while these nitwits who support Republicans, march AGAINST ending such unconscionable GREED, and malpractice, and women's complex health issues are far more costly than men's.

Republicans Tried to rewrite the definition of RAPE!

REfuse to enforce the laws against intimidation, violence, and harrassment at abortion clinics, so muchh so that they have virtually destroyed women's right to have control over their own bodies, by using religious RW thuggery, as they break the law, and shred the Constitution.

They seek to dictate and control what a woman does with her own body, and have fought to cheapen the value of a women's lives, preferring that they die, rather than abort, to save their own lives.

Republican Pharmacists using religious BS, to justify refusing to fill birth control pill prescriptions, in a country which was created on the idea of separation of church and state! Forget the fact that to many women, pregnancy means death!

Their ideology is archaic! I find them completely repulsive. They have sought to overturn or prevent, every Constitutional advancement for equal rights, and this RW Supreme Court is as fascist as one could imagine, ruling that corporate money, is free speech.

Republicans voteing against a woman who was raped by one of their favored War Conratctors, could not sue them after she was gang raped, and held captive!

The RW Activist Supreme Court, Ruling that the woman who was gang raped by the Bush/Cheney cronies, in Iraq, does not have the right to sue the corporation which was so incompetent, and corrupt, that they tried to cover it up, and fought against any compensation for that poor woman.

Completely disgusting and absurd. Republicans ARE the Party of corruption, and unAMerican Activities!

The only hope I see at this point, is public financed elections. Republicans have chipped away at every standard that could promote or insure democratic elections.

What they want is absolute power. That, in and of itself, proves they have no respect for Democracy.

G.

Sev
02-22-2011, 07:31 AM
Swamp water by the tankard apparently.

Qtec
02-22-2011, 07:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Swamp water by the tankard apparently. </div></div>

Tap, Tap , Tap.

What an absolutely brilliant reply.

I was most impressed how you shot her down word for word, fact for untruth, in that so eloquent repost.

Bravo.

Q

Gayle in MD
02-22-2011, 08:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Swamp water by the tankard apparently. </div></div>

Tap, Tap , Tap.

What an absolutely brilliant reply.

I was most impressed how you shot her down word for word, fact for untruth, in that so eloquent repost.

Bravo.

Q </div></div>

Check this out! Racheal Blows the lid off again!

Wisconsin governor's History Of Union Busting


Last night Rachel Maddow revealed that Governor Scott Walker (R-WI) has a reputation for using a budget crisis to bust up unions while in power. Over the last week Walker has tried to push through a bill that would not only require public employees in unions to pay more for their pensions and health plans, but also to permanently give up their collective bargaining rights. The unions have agreed to the financial parts of the plan, but refuse to give up their collective bargaining rights in the future. Walker has denied that he has any motive in breaking up the unions, but has refused to compromise on the collective bargaining rights issue. As Maddow illustrated, Walker has a past which involves using a “budget crisis” to get rid of a unions.

Before he was elected Governor last fall Walker served a Milwaukee County Executive. While in that position Walker attempted to fire union security guards and replace them with private contractors from a firm in the United Kingdom called G4S Wackenhut. The County Board then overrode Walker’s decision, but he went ahead with the move anyway under justification of a budget “emergency.”

Later, an independent arbitrator determined that no real “emergency” existed in the country, and ordered the reinstatement of the union security guards who were fired. In addition, as Maddow points out, the hiring of G4S Wackenhut turned out to save much less money than Walker had predicted. With the ordered reinstatement, Walker’s move will end up costing the county about half-a-million dollars. Finally, and perhaps most damning, Wackenhut was subsequently involved in a scandal involving raunchy pictures taken of some of their personnel hired by the State Department in Afghanistan. In Milwaukee County Wackenhut ended up hiring a man with a criminal record as the security chief in charge of the county courthouse.

http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-i...ting-past-video (http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-national/rachel-maddow-reveals-governor-walker-r-wi-has-a-union-busting-past-video)

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pooltchr
02-22-2011, 08:07 AM
Good for him! Unions should be abolished for all government employees!

Steve

Qtec
02-22-2011, 08:09 AM
You can tell he is a Republican Conservative....every time he opens his mouth............etc

Q

Sev
02-22-2011, 08:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Swamp water by the tankard apparently. </div></div>

Tap, Tap , Tap.

What an absolutely brilliant reply.

I was most impressed how you shot her down word for word, fact for untruth, in that so eloquent repost.

Bravo.

Q </div></div>

Thanks Q.
I thought it was quite good myself.

Sev
02-22-2011, 08:12 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Swamp water by the tankard apparently. </div></div>

Tap, Tap , Tap.

What an absolutely brilliant reply.

I was most impressed how you shot her down word for word, fact for untruth, in that so eloquent repost.

Bravo.

Q </div></div>

Check this out! Racheal Blows the lid off again!

Wisconsin governor's History Of Union Busting


Last night Rachel Maddow revealed that Governor Scott Walker (R-WI) has a reputation for using a budget crisis to bust up unions while in power. Over the last week Walker has tried to push through a bill that would not only require public employees in unions to pay more for their pensions and health plans, but also to permanently give up their collective bargaining rights. The unions have agreed to the financial parts of the plan, but refuse to give up their collective bargaining rights in the future. Walker has denied that he has any motive in breaking up the unions, but has refused to compromise on the collective bargaining rights issue. As Maddow illustrated, Walker has a past which involves using a “budget crisis” to get rid of a unions.

Before he was elected Governor last fall Walker served a Milwaukee County Executive. While in that position Walker attempted to fire union security guards and replace them with private contractors from a firm in the United Kingdom called G4S Wackenhut. The County Board then overrode Walker’s decision, but he went ahead with the move anyway under justification of a budget “emergency.”

Later, an independent arbitrator determined that no real “emergency” existed in the country, and ordered the reinstatement of the union security guards who were fired. In addition, as Maddow points out, the hiring of G4S Wackenhut turned out to save much less money than Walker had predicted. With the ordered reinstatement, Walker’s move will end up costing the county about half-a-million dollars. Finally, and perhaps most damning, Wackenhut was subsequently involved in a scandal involving raunchy pictures taken of some of their personnel hired by the State Department in Afghanistan. In Milwaukee County Wackenhut ended up hiring a man with a criminal record as the security chief in charge of the county courthouse.

http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-i...ting-past-video (http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-national/rachel-maddow-reveals-governor-walker-r-wi-has-a-union-busting-past-video)

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Hey Gayle.

Do you run a union shop??

Gayle in MD
02-22-2011, 08:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can tell he is a Republican Conservative....every time he opens his mouth............etc

Q </div></div>



Another Tea Party Genius. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

Conservatives Without Conscience

Qtec
02-22-2011, 08:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought it was quite good myself </div></div>

I kinda thought you would being the brainless spoon fed echo machine for LWW that you are.


Q...no surprise there.

Gayle in MD
02-22-2011, 08:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought it was quite good myself </div></div>

I kinda thought you would being the brainless spoon fed echo machine for LWW that you are.


Q...no surprise there. </div></div>

Excellent post, Q. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

Stretch
02-22-2011, 08:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought it was quite good myself </div></div>

I kinda thought you would being the brainless spoon fed echo machine for LWW that you are.


Q...no surprise there. </div></div>

Excellent post, Q. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>

It's a travesty. Workers agree to take less money in wages than they would earn in the private sector in exchange for greater health and retirment security. When government tries to renege on it's end of the deal, in essence, they're defaulting on their debt to the workers. They are chooseing to screw the workers rather than the bondholders. That's what is really happening here.

And then in Walkers case, he just wants to strip the workers of all power to have any say in anything. St.

Gayle in MD
02-22-2011, 09:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought it was quite good myself </div></div>

I kinda thought you would being the brainless spoon fed echo machine for LWW that you are.


Q...no surprise there. </div></div>

Excellent post, Q. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>

It's a travesty. Workers agree to take less money in wages than they would earn in the private sector in exchange for greater health and retirment security. When government tries to renege on it's end of the deal, in essence, they're defaulting on their debt to the workers. They are chooseing to screw the workers rather than the bondholders. That's what is really happening here.

And then in Walkers case, he just wants to strip the workers of all power to have any say in anything. St. </div></div>

Right you are, friend.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And then in Walkers case, he just wants to strip the workers of all power to have any say in anything. St. </div></div>


And in the case of the Republican Party, their want to strip all Americans, of any personal power in their own lives, and dictate to EVERYONE, about EVERYTHING!

A bunch of cowardly, sicko wannabe Hitlers, afraid to go out without packing their assault weapons, and suffering from incurable delusions.

G.

Stretch
02-22-2011, 09:29 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought it was quite good myself </div></div>

I kinda thought you would being the brainless spoon fed echo machine for LWW that you are.


Q...no surprise there. </div></div>

Excellent post, Q. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>

It's a travesty. Workers agree to take less money in wages than they would earn in the private sector in exchange for greater health and retirment security. When government tries to renege on it's end of the deal, in essence, they're defaulting on their debt to the workers. They are chooseing to screw the workers rather than the bondholders. That's what is really happening here.

And then in Walkers case, he just wants to strip the workers of all power to have any say in anything. St. </div></div>

Right you are, friend.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And then in Walkers case, he just wants to strip the workers of all power to have any say in anything. St. </div></div>


And in the case of the Republican Party, their want to strip all Americans, of any personal power in their own lives, and dictate to EVERYONE, about EVERYTHING!

A bunch of cowardly, sicko wannabe Hitlers, afraid to go out without packing their assault weapons, and suffering from incurable delusions.

G. </div></div>

In their world fetuses get health care but babies and children are left behind. A working person voting Republican is like a chicken voting for Colonal Sanders. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif St.

Gayle in MD
02-22-2011, 09:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought it was quite good myself </div></div>

I kinda thought you would being the brainless spoon fed echo machine for LWW that you are.


Q...no surprise there. </div></div>

Excellent post, Q. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif </div></div>

It's a travesty. Workers agree to take less money in wages than they would earn in the private sector in exchange for greater health and retirment security. When government tries to renege on it's end of the deal, in essence, they're defaulting on their debt to the workers. They are chooseing to screw the workers rather than the bondholders. That's what is really happening here.

And then in Walkers case, he just wants to strip the workers of all power to have any say in anything. St. </div></div>






<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And then in Walkers case, he just wants to strip the workers of all power to have any say in anything. St. </div></div>


That's the definition of the Republican Party, they want to strip all Americans, of any personal power in their own lives, and dictate to EVERYONE, about EVERYTHING!

A bunch of cowardly, sicko wannabe Hitlers, afraid to go out without packing their assault weapons, and suffering from incurable delusions.

G. </div></div>

In their world fetuses get health care but babies and children are left behind. A working person voting Republican is like a chicken voting for Colonal Sanders. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif St. </div></div>


All workers should have the right to collective bargaining.

We know how the Republicans LOVE a slave nation, hence, the Amnesty!

We Know that the racist Dems of decades past, all joined the Republican Party!

Collective Bargaining is about negotiating, and we know, Republicans are about dictating.


There can be no intellectual reasoning when dealing with religious fundamentalists, their very thought processes, and automatic emotional responses, fly in the face of reason, and critical thinking skills must be suspended, in order to fit their radically religious POV.

Same reason why one cannot reason with radical Islamists.

The Republican Party, is now nothing BUT Radical.

It has been completely taken over by emotionally unstable, ignorant, greedy people, without conscience.


Just look at who they voted in to be their speaker!!!

Imagine, if he were a Democratic woman, bawling like a baby, at the drop of a hat, known for drinking, and affairs and she refused to answer a question about her notorious Affairs, with men! But, didn't a Republican Woman do just that! Two of them, in fact!

The man is an emotional cripple, who is so full of himself, the only thing that moves him is when he is reminicing about his OWN SELF, and while maneuvering for MONEY, to bail out RW crooks, whining and crying on the Senate Floor!!!!

But when is comes to throwing people out of work, his response is, so what! No crying about that!

Disgusting human being. It is dangerous that he is third in line for the presidency, if anything should go wrong. It's every bit as bad as Palin being in that position. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif

G.