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Qtec
02-22-2011, 07:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Independent.co.uk
Gaddafi defies revolt with tanks and planes
Reuters
Tuesday, 22 February 2011

Libya's Muammar Gaddafi used tanks, helicopters and warplanes to fight a growing revolt, witnesses said today, as the veteran leader scoffed at reports he was fleeing after four decades in power.

Warplanes bombed portions of the capital Tripoli in new attacks in the Mediterranean coastal city, and mercenaries fired on civilians, Al Jazeera reported.

In the eastern town of Al Bayda, resident Marai Al Mahry told Reuters by telephone that 26 people including his brother Ahmed had been shot dead overnight by Gaddafi loyalists.

"They shoot you just for walking on the street," he said, sobbing uncontrollably as he appealed for help.

Protesters were being attacked with tanks and warplanes, he said </div></div>

Update. Finally Obama shows some spunk.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> " We must stand up for Democracy.

I will not stand by while ordinary citizens who stand up who for their rights, be shot down in cold blood by the dictator Qaddafi by fighter planes that we have sold to him.

I now declare a no fly zone over Libya and any fighter plane in the sky will be shot down.</div></div>

Q...good news......yeah..............

LWW
02-22-2011, 07:18 AM
Link?

What's that?

LWW

Sev
02-22-2011, 07:46 AM
Obama shows some spunk???

BAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHHA!!!!

If that entire area goes up in flames and Muslim fundamentalist's gain control Obama will be known as the president that lost Northern Africa and Western Asia.

Gayle in MD
02-22-2011, 08:20 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Independent.co.uk
Gaddafi defies revolt with tanks and planes
Reuters
Tuesday, 22 February 2011

Libya's Muammar Gaddafi used tanks, helicopters and warplanes to fight a growing revolt, witnesses said today, as the veteran leader scoffed at reports he was fleeing after four decades in power.

Warplanes bombed portions of the capital Tripoli in new attacks in the Mediterranean coastal city, and mercenaries fired on civilians, Al Jazeera reported.

In the eastern town of Al Bayda, resident Marai Al Mahry told Reuters by telephone that 26 people including his brother Ahmed had been shot dead overnight by Gaddafi loyalists.

"They shoot you just for walking on the street," he said, sobbing uncontrollably as he appealed for help.

Protesters were being attacked with tanks and warplanes, he said </div></div>

Update. Finally Obama shows some spunk.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> " We must stand up for Democracy.

I will not stand by while ordinary citizens who stand up who for their rights, be shot down in cold blood by the dictator Qaddafi by fighter planes that we have sold to him.

I now declare a no fly zone over Libya and any fighter plane in the sky will be shot down.</div></div>

Q...good news......yeah.............. </div></div>

Bravo!

And, several pilots left the country in their planes, refusing to attack their fellow citizens, and sought asylum, and the army, has turned against Gadaffi, now protecting protestors, and the Lybia U.N. Rep, is calling for him to step down!

Wonderful news!

G.

Chopstick
02-22-2011, 09:35 AM
Another socialist democrat shows their true colors.

LWW
02-22-2011, 04:54 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama shows some spunk???

BAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAHAHHA!!!!

If that entire area goes up in flames and Muslim fundamentalist's gain control Obama will be known as the president that lost Northern Africa and Western Asia.

</div></div>

And the Obamatrons will blame Bush.

LWW

LWW
02-22-2011, 04:54 PM
It really doesn't take much to fool you, does it?

BTW ... where is Lybia?

LWW

JohnnyD
02-22-2011, 11:31 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It really doesn't take much to fool you, does it?

BTW ... where is Lybia?

LWW </div></div>Excellent post

cushioncrawler
02-23-2011, 01:50 AM
Libby??? I heard he scooted.
mac.

Gayle in MD
02-23-2011, 09:51 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chopstick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Another socialist democrat shows their true colors. </div></div>


Liberal Guide to Debating Conservatives


Liberals have long since learned that debating Conservatives can be a challenging endeavor, since Conservatives are generally misinformed, and twist the truth beyond recognition. Present them with proven facts, after which you can expect to be personally attacked.

Not to worry. The following are several other tips Liberals can use right away to begin defeating Conservatives in every debate, every time.

Lib Tip # 1: Point out the fact that a Black face at a Conservative Convention is almost unheard of. Then point to the history of Southern White Racists, and link those racist attitudes with the many currently serving conservatives on Capital Hill, who applaud the racist signs used by their constituents. At last, remind them that Michael Steele, when exposed for his expensive spending of contributors money, pulled the race card. After pointing to this fact, you can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 2: It is best to end a debate before it starts when a conservative begins to assert facts which have already been proven to be lies. Since they only watch Fox News, and listen to irrational zealots like Beck and Limpballs, don't expect anything rational to come from their opinions. End the debate, and then expect to be personally attacked, non stop into infinity.


Lib Tip # 3: Remember that morals have been a thing of the past for Conservatives for many years. Point to the many pedophiles, closeted gays who stay in the closet, while purporting "Family Values" and vote against gay rights, then add to that all of the convicted felons and marital falanderers from the "Family Values" Christian Conservatives. Point out the pedophilia of the Catholic Church, and the child abuse at Christian Bible School Camps, After which, You can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 4: Exploit the Weakest Link: Define your opponent by his weakest link. If 10,000 Tea Partiers hold a rally, amid racist signs which were displayed in front of Republican Leaders who applauded them right in front of the cameras, on the capital steps, your point can be proven just by providing the link to the many videos which prove your point.

Additionally, you can provide the links to the racist, angry mobs that began way back during the campaign. If they still persist, and call you a liar, which is their habit when proven wrong, you might consider referring them to the Southern Poverty Law Center, where reams of factual information is provided and which includes links to sources such as the FBI, and the Homeland Security Department, also warning of the dangers currently being displayed by the many numerous threats of violence, multiple radical groups of militias, and growing threats, within the conservative Tea Parties, and from the likes of Sara Palin,l Glen Backistan, and Rush Limpballs.

This will also likely bring on another personal attack.


Lib Tip # 5: Be alert for their right-wing talking points. That is all that they have, so expect them to use them frequently. Remember, these people voted twice for George Bush, the worst president in history, who said that the Constitution was just a piece of paper, during his tenure, while he broke the Geneva Conventions, was slapped down three times by the Supreme Court for unconstitutional behavior, illegally spied on Americans, breaking the FISA laws, fomented torture in secret, and lied the country into a war. Don't expect Conservatives who applaud duntzes like Sara Palin, and George Bush, to have any appreciation for the REAL news of the day. Their goal is to avoid reality, so be careful to illiminate them early on, from any attempt at real debate.

Expect continued personal attacks, even years after you have ended any interaction.

Lib Tip # 6: Remember, these people hate their government, as they were brainwashed to do many years ago, by an actor who pretended to have a brain, so don't expect any real patriotism, or empathy for their fellow Americans. They may call themselves Christians, but in fact, they are greedy, cannot stand to think that any of their tax dollars might help another American, and only approve of seeing their taxes be used to kill people on the other side of the world, or fill the pockets of the walthy. So remember, they are truly not Christians, at all.

Expect to be personally attacked when you point out their hisotrical documented lack of appreciation for any humanitarian endeavors.

Lib Tip # 7: Define America by itís sucesses, not its errors: This is what they cannot abide, since they hate their government.

Expect to be personally attacked regardless, since attack mode is their only debating skill.

Taking a cue from Lib Tip # 4, It is important to characterize America by itís current goals and issues, since their ability to grasp the true historical information is unheard of. It is critical that you completely overlook all the bad moves America has made, and the manner in which Republicans supported and propped up one dictatorship after another. In fact, you must go to some lengths to divert people from the notion that because of Republican policies, particularly those of both Bush administrations, and Reagan's administration, the world is a far more dangerous, more hostile, and a far poorer and sad place. It is pointless to address these facts, since conservatives cannot grasp them.

Even pointing out the bad treatment of Indians and Slaves, will be denied by Conservatives, since they still think the White Man deserves to have slaves, and actually have Governors on the scene, currently, who praise the Confederacy, without a mention of slavery at all. Expect to be personally attacked after you do this...and don't bother mentioning how many Americans have been killed by the same Weapons of Mass Destruction which Conservatives have spread around the world for cahs in their pockets, for decades.

Lib Tip # 8: Blame talk radio and FOX news for fanning hate and racism: Because they are in fact the Conservative's main source of unAmerican rheotric and lies. Avoid at all costs the fact that both talk radio and FOX news would not be able to spread around all their propaganda, if their King Communist/fascist,law breaking, senile but affable, Ronald Reagan, hadn't removed all semblence of journalistic integrity, and standards. Pointing out that Fox's wide audience is linked to the same radical element, and growing irrational RW radical threat which our law enforcement is so concerned about, or the fact that some of the Fox Propagandists, and irrational RW pundits, have actually been linked to murders, will only bring about an example of that very irrational thinking and in some cases, threats of violence, from the Conservative with whom you have attempted to reason. Above all, NEVER try rational reasoning with a propagandized Conservative. They are beyond hope. Expect to be personally attacked, if you dare to maintain your own opinion.

Lib Tip # 9: Government is Good: Insist that appropriate government intervention is a good thing, and is included in the Founder's intentions.

Assert that it is our patriotic duty to pay taxes in spite of the fact that their beloved wealthy corporate fascist pigs, don't pay them. Nothing makes a Conservative more angry than when you point out that the wealthy do not pay their fair share of taxes, since they still believe in the already proven ridiculous theory of Trickle Down Economics.

Also, when debating with a conservative, don't expect any knowledge of economics in general, since they have been known to disregard even the most basic principles and think that gross debt growth under Republcian control, is not a concern, at all. They have been known to defend this absurdity even in the face of complete economic collapse. Expect to be personally attacked when you point this out.


Lib Tip # 10: Send them to this web address http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/tab/article/

which will prove all their ridiculous asssertions about Reagan's economic achievements to be just another of their fantasies. Bill Clinton created the best economy in recent history. Created more jobs than Both Bush's and REagan, combined, and most Republicans, only represent the Wealthy, which leads back to the totla failure of the Freidman.Reagan/Bush/Bush, FAILED VOODOO Trickle down theory. Tell them that Jimmy Carter produced more jobs than either W. or his father, combinedAND cut oil imports, in half. Expect to be attacked, personally, when you point out this fact.



And at last, and this is probably the best advice of all, Don't bother debating with Conservatives, at all. They are generally nasty people which you would be far better off avoiding entirely. Who want's to argue needlessly with brick headed idiots who think that Sara Palin is a genius, or that a man can live inside of a whale.

sack316
02-23-2011, 11:50 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...brick headed idiots who think that Sara Palin is a genius, or that a man can live inside of a whale.
</div></div>

So whoever wrote this believes Christians, Jews, and Muslims are brick headed idiots (Jonah & the big fish is in both the Bible and a Qur'an)... and yet I'm sure the author will claim to be from the "tolerant" side of ideology. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Sack

pooltchr
02-23-2011, 12:20 PM
I love it!

Lib tim#1...always try to play the race card whenever possible!

Lib tip #2. Don't try to match wits with a conservative. It's a losing proposition

Lib tip #3. Point out their failures so nobody will see your own.

Lib tip #4. Find one personal member of the opposition and attack relentlessly



Just a quick easy summary of the first four. I stopped reading after that. Much of this is nothing more than a rewording of Alinsky's rules for radicals.

Blah blah blah

Steve

sack316
02-23-2011, 12:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I love it!

Lib tim#1...always try to play the race card whenever possible!

Lib tip #2. Don't try to match wits with a conservative. It's a losing proposition

Lib tip #3. Point out their failures so nobody will see your own.

Lib tip #4. Find one personal member of the opposition and attack relentlessly



Just a quick easy summary of the first four. I stopped reading after that. Much of this is nothing more than a rewording of Alinsky's rules for radicals.

Blah blah blah

Steve </div></div>

The best part is... except for the last little bit this came from http://www.thepersistentconservative.com/ From the bio of the gentleman who did this:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hello. My name is Scot Cerullo and I am a recovering Liberal (The conservatives gathered say, in unison, ďWelcome ScotĒ). It has been 25 years since my last Liberal Lapse...

...Oh, and for you democrats, liberals and folks on the fence, you are certainly welcomed as well. I was once very liberal and I appreciate anyone who argues from their heart. However, when I began arguing from my brain, it cast the theater of politics in a whole new light, because when I discovered conservitism, I realized I had been home all along.</div></div>

Another example of satire and joking being taken seriously!

Sack

Gayle in MD
02-23-2011, 01:38 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...brick headed idiots who think that Sara Palin is a genius, or that a man can live inside of a whale.
</div></div>

So whoever wrote this believes Christians, Jews, and Muslims are brick headed idiots (Jonah & the big fish is in both the Bible and a Qur'an)... and yet I'm sure the author will claim to be from the "tolerant" side of ideology. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Sack </div></div>

If they, or anyone, thinks that a man can live inside of a whale, or think that the earth is only six thousand years old, yep, that qualifies as not very bright, to say the least.

But then, my piece was really meant to be somewhat comedic, and not aimed at anyone, specific, other than Radical RWers, who also think that Bush/Rumsfled/Rice/Cheney, didn't cherry pick and lie about Saddam's supposed WMD, or that they didn't break all of the laws, that we know they broke, or that they didn't intentionally out a coverty agent, or commit war crimes, among other law breaking activities.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MInHphR4zBg&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx8IJoRL6cE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGfCvEhYzQg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ9AnEnQLio&feature=related
G.

pooltchr
02-23-2011, 02:39 PM
I find it truely amazing that someone can actually think that Clinton, Pelosi, Reid, et al, were telling the truth when they said SH was a thread because of his production of WMD, but the next administration must have been lying when they said the same thing.

In Gee's world, the truth is only the truth when someone wearing her chosen team's jersey says it.

I believe she would walk off the edge of a cliff if Obama said it was safe!

Steve

sack316
02-23-2011, 04:16 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If they, or anyone, thinks that a man can live inside of a whale, or think that the earth is only six thousand years old, yep, that qualifies as not very bright, to say the least.
</div></div>

I wish you wouldn't speak in such generalities... for example, this would include Secretary of State Clinton (United Methodist). I know you don't think that of her. It would also include me (sans the 6000 years part... but that's another discussion entirely) ministry; United Life Church, and I know you don't think that of me.

Sack

Gayle in MD
02-23-2011, 06:38 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If they, or anyone, thinks that a man can live inside of a whale, or thinks that the earth is only six thousand years old, yep, that qualifies as not very bright, to say the least.
</div></div>

I wish you wouldn't speak in such generalities... for example, this would include Secretary of State Clinton (United Methodist). I know you don't think that of her. It would also include me (sans the 6000 years part... but that's another discussion entirely) ministry; United Life Church, and I know you don't think that of me.

Sack </div></div>

I don't believe that either of you think that a man can live inside of a whale.

In fact, tell you the truth, I don't really believe that most politicians have a choice about what they SAY they believe, as regards religion, they just say what they think they have to say.

I think you're very intelligent, Sack, as you know.

If you DO think that a man can live inside of a whale....please, don't tell me that you do. I don't want to know it.

Love,
Gayle

BTW, that old post of mine, was from a long time ago, an answer to the opposing one, posed by one of our radical RW Nutjobs........accusing Liberals....

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

cushioncrawler
02-23-2011, 06:48 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So whoever wrote this believes Christians, Jews, and Muslims are brick headed idiots (Jonah & the big fish is in both the Bible and a Qur'an)... and yet I'm sure the author will claim to be from the "tolerant" side of ideology. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif Sack</div></div>Brick headed idiots kan at times be loveable. Unlike sicko Godists, who are a pox on the whole earth.
mac.

JohnnyD
02-23-2011, 06:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So whoever wrote this believes Christians, Jews, and Muslims are brick headed idiots (Jonah & the big fish is in both the Bible and a Qur'an)... and yet I'm sure the author will claim to be from the "tolerant" side of ideology. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif Sack</div></div>Brick headed idiots kan at times be loveable. Unlike sicko Godists, who are a pox on the whole earth.
mac. </div></div>Excellent post.

pooltchr
02-23-2011, 08:13 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If they, or anyone, thinks that a man can live inside of a whale, or think that the earth is only six thousand years old, yep, that qualifies as not very bright, to say the least.
</div></div>

I wish you wouldn't speak in such generalities... for example, this would include Secretary of State Clinton (United Methodist). I know you don't think that of her. It would also include me (sans the 6000 years part... but that's another discussion entirely) ministry; United Life Church, and I know you don't think that of me.

Sack </div></div>

I would be willing to bet that if you asked Jimmy Carter if he believes the Bible is true, the answer would be affirmative.

How could that possibly be???

Steve

JohnnyD
02-23-2011, 08:23 PM
The truth will set them free.

Sev
02-23-2011, 09:19 PM
Cant wait to see the sock puppet screw up the response to Ghadafi.

We should grab that guy and through him in GITMO.

Preferably before he blows his oil fields.

JohnnyD
02-23-2011, 09:54 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cant wait to see the sock puppet screw up the response to Ghadafi.

We should grab that guy and through him in GITMO.

Preferably before he blows his oil fields. </div></div>
Ohh my!

sack316
02-24-2011, 02:02 AM
Gayle, though I know you said you don't want to hear it...unfortunately (or fortunately) I must stand by my faith.

Do I believe scientifically a man can live inside a whale? No. Logically and by all we know as people, that cannot be true by scientific standards.

Do I believe that through God all things (and hence, anything) are possible? You better believe it!

Just as I know it is impossible (scientifically) for man to rise from the dead, fully able bodied and capable days later... yet I believe when the bible says it's true, that it is true.

I am not ashamed of this, that is just what I believe. If I question one part as truth, then I must ask where does truth in it begin? I must either take it as it is, as whole... or not at all.

Now, the 6000 year thing... I can fully question... as the bible itself gives no credence to this claim... that is simply man posing his own hypothesis. It could quite possibly be millions... even billions of years of creation... truth is we don't know. I believe enough in science, and know enough about carbon dating, to know the Earth is older than 6000 years.

I also know that by all rights and standards I should have been dead long ago. From the moment of my birth when I was strangled on my own umbilical cord... to my mid 20's when I was a drunk ass getting in insanely bad car wrecks... I somehow am living for some purpose and it damn sure ain't through my own doing. We can call it luck or coincidence all we want to... but I know statistics enough to realize I am at worst an anomaly, yet most likely a miracle of some sorts.

If that's stupid then so be it.

But you won't find me judging you or thinking lesser of you if you choose not to believe the way I do. And if you are truly tolerant and understanding, then you will feel the same about people that do choose to think the way I (or any "religious nutjob") does.

We differ greatly in our religious, spiritual, and political views. Yet I think you are a bright, thoughtful, caring, intelligent, and passionate person. I would love for you to think/feel as I do... but I don't think any less of you because you don't see things how I do. I respect your views, even in disagreement. All I ask is that you don't generalize in such a way as you did here. I don't mean this to sound hateful... but generalizing in such a way is as intolerant and offensive as the very things you rally against. I know you are better than that... and I know you probably honestly didn't mean it to be offensive... but it is. I am a man of faith... and I am not brick-headed because I am.

Sack

Qtec
02-24-2011, 02:27 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lib tim#1...always try to play the race card whenever possible! </div></div>

You have made some ludicrous comments but this one gets you the cigar.



Beck hosts Tea Party (http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/001172/)

This is the same guy.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This morning on Fox and Friends, Fox host Glenn <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Beck accused President Obama of being "a racist."</span>

The group was discussing the recent Gates controversy, and <span style='font-size: 20pt'>Beck exclaimed that Obama has "over and over again" exposed himself as "a guy who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture.</span> I don't know what it is..."

When Fox's Brian Kilmeadeon pointed out that many people in Obama's administration are white, so "you can't say he doesn't like white people," Beck pressed on. <span style='font-size: 20pt'>"I'm not saying he doesn't like white people, I'm saying he has a problem," Beck said. "This guy is, I believe, a racist."</span></div></div>

Surely any decent TP member would distance themselves from this guy but no, they love him.

According to the RW,
.... Obama is a '<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Halfrican Kenian who was brought up in a Maddrassa. An uppity Magic Negro who hates white culture and hates America.</span>"...blah blah blah...etc.


Q

LWW
02-24-2011, 04:57 AM
Actually the "MAGIC NEGRO" came from thereich wing Los Angeles Times ... and th only folks on this forum that I can remember making racial slurs are you, aitch, woofie, and gee.

The only one I can remember linking to a skinhead site was aitch.

The only one I can remember admiring Hitler is Mac ... and on AZB the infamous NoBallsPaul.

Now ... of those who scream "RACISM" whenever dear leader's policies are opposed, that's the entire O-cult.

LWW

JohnnyD
02-24-2011, 05:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually the "MAGIC NEGRO" came from thereich wing Los Angeles Times ... and th only folks on this forum that I can remember making racial slurs are you, aitch, woofie, and gee.

The only one I can remember linking to a skinhead site was aitch.

The only one I can remember admiring Hitler is Mac ... and on AZB the infamous NoBallsPaul.

Now ... of those who scream "RACISM" whenever dear leader's policies are opposed, that's the entire O-cult.

LWW </div></div>Indeed let the truth be told.The truth is the truth.One cannot change the truth.The truth will set one free.

JohnnyD
02-24-2011, 05:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...brick headed idiots who think that Sara Palin is a genius, or that a man can live inside of a whale.
</div></div>

So whoever wrote this believes Christians, Jews, and Muslims are brick headed idiots (Jonah & the big fish is in both the Bible and a Qur'an)... and yet I'm sure the author will claim to be from the "tolerant" side of ideology. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Sack </div></div>The truth is being told.Everyone should comprehend the truth.Jesus loves all.

JohnnyD
02-24-2011, 05:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chopstick</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Another socialist democrat shows their true colors. </div></div>


Liberal Guide to Debating Conservatives


Liberals have long since learned that debating Conservatives can be a challenging endeavor, since Conservatives are generally misinformed, and twist the truth beyond recognition. Present them with proven facts, after which you can expect to be personally attacked.

Not to worry. The following are several other tips Liberals can use right away to begin defeating Conservatives in every debate, every time.

Lib Tip # 1: Point out the fact that a Black face at a Conservative Convention is almost unheard of. Then point to the history of Southern White Racists, and link those racist attitudes with the many currently serving conservatives on Capital Hill, who applaud the racist signs used by their constituents. At last, remind them that Michael Steele, when exposed for his expensive spending of contributors money, pulled the race card. After pointing to this fact, you can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 2: It is best to end a debate before it starts when a conservative begins to assert facts which have already been proven to be lies. Since they only watch Fox News, and listen to irrational zealots like Beck and Limpballs, don't expect anything rational to come from their opinions. End the debate, and then expect to be personally attacked, non stop into infinity.


Lib Tip # 3: Remember that morals have been a thing of the past for Conservatives for many years. Point to the many pedophiles, closeted gays who stay in the closet, while purporting "Family Values" and vote against gay rights, then add to that all of the convicted felons and marital falanderers from the "Family Values" Christian Conservatives. Point out the pedophilia of the Catholic Church, and the child abuse at Christian Bible School Camps, After which, You can expect to be personally attacked.


Lib Tip # 4: Exploit the Weakest Link: Define your opponent by his weakest link. If 10,000 Tea Partiers hold a rally, amid racist signs which were displayed in front of Republican Leaders who applauded them right in front of the cameras, on the capital steps, your point can be proven just by providing the link to the many videos which prove your point.

Additionally, you can provide the links to the racist, angry mobs that began way back during the campaign. If they still persist, and call you a liar, which is their habit when proven wrong, you might consider referring them to the Southern Poverty Law Center, where reams of factual information is provided and which includes links to sources such as the FBI, and the Homeland Security Department, also warning of the dangers currently being displayed by the many numerous threats of violence, multiple radical groups of militias, and growing threats, within the conservative Tea Parties, and from the likes of Sara Palin,l Glen Backistan, and Rush Limpballs.

This will also likely bring on another personal attack.


Lib Tip # 5: Be alert for their right-wing talking points. That is all that they have, so expect them to use them frequently. Remember, these people voted twice for George Bush, the worst president in history, who said that the Constitution was just a piece of paper, during his tenure, while he broke the Geneva Conventions, was slapped down three times by the Supreme Court for unconstitutional behavior, illegally spied on Americans, breaking the FISA laws, fomented torture in secret, and lied the country into a war. Don't expect Conservatives who applaud duntzes like Sara Palin, and George Bush, to have any appreciation for the REAL news of the day. Their goal is to avoid reality, so be careful to illiminate them early on, from any attempt at real debate.

Expect continued personal attacks, even years after you have ended any interaction.

Lib Tip # 6: Remember, these people hate their government, as they were brainwashed to do many years ago, by an actor who pretended to have a brain, so don't expect any real patriotism, or empathy for their fellow Americans. They may call themselves Christians, but in fact, they are greedy, cannot stand to think that any of their tax dollars might help another American, and only approve of seeing their taxes be used to kill people on the other side of the world, or fill the pockets of the walthy. So remember, they are truly not Christians, at all.

Expect to be personally attacked when you point out their hisotrical documented lack of appreciation for any humanitarian endeavors.

Lib Tip # 7: Define America by itís sucesses, not its errors: This is what they cannot abide, since they hate their government.

Expect to be personally attacked regardless, since attack mode is their only debating skill.

Taking a cue from Lib Tip # 4, It is important to characterize America by itís current goals and issues, since their ability to grasp the true historical information is unheard of. It is critical that you completely overlook all the bad moves America has made, and the manner in which Republicans supported and propped up one dictatorship after another. In fact, you must go to some lengths to divert people from the notion that because of Republican policies, particularly those of both Bush administrations, and Reagan's administration, the world is a far more dangerous, more hostile, and a far poorer and sad place. It is pointless to address these facts, since conservatives cannot grasp them.

Even pointing out the bad treatment of Indians and Slaves, will be denied by Conservatives, since they still think the White Man deserves to have slaves, and actually have Governors on the scene, currently, who praise the Confederacy, without a mention of slavery at all. Expect to be personally attacked after you do this...and don't bother mentioning how many Americans have been killed by the same Weapons of Mass Destruction which Conservatives have spread around the world for cahs in their pockets, for decades.

Lib Tip # 8: Blame talk radio and FOX news for fanning hate and racism: Because they are in fact the Conservative's main source of unAmerican rheotric and lies. Avoid at all costs the fact that both talk radio and FOX news would not be able to spread around all their propaganda, if their King Communist/fascist,law breaking, senile but affable, Ronald Reagan, hadn't removed all semblence of journalistic integrity, and standards. Pointing out that Fox's wide audience is linked to the same radical element, and growing irrational RW radical threat which our law enforcement is so concerned about, or the fact that some of the Fox Propagandists, and irrational RW pundits, have actually been linked to murders, will only bring about an example of that very irrational thinking and in some cases, threats of violence, from the Conservative with whom you have attempted to reason. Above all, NEVER try rational reasoning with a propagandized Conservative. They are beyond hope. Expect to be personally attacked, if you dare to maintain your own opinion.

Lib Tip # 9: Government is Good: Insist that appropriate government intervention is a good thing, and is included in the Founder's intentions.

Assert that it is our patriotic duty to pay taxes in spite of the fact that their beloved wealthy corporate fascist pigs, don't pay them. Nothing makes a Conservative more angry than when you point out that the wealthy do not pay their fair share of taxes, since they still believe in the already proven ridiculous theory of Trickle Down Economics.

Also, when debating with a conservative, don't expect any knowledge of economics in general, since they have been known to disregard even the most basic principles and think that gross debt growth under Republcian control, is not a concern, at all. They have been known to defend this absurdity even in the face of complete economic collapse. Expect to be personally attacked when you point this out.


Lib Tip # 10: Send them to this web address http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/tab/article/

which will prove all their ridiculous asssertions about Reagan's economic achievements to be just another of their fantasies. Bill Clinton created the best economy in recent history. Created more jobs than Both Bush's and REagan, combined, and most Republicans, only represent the Wealthy, which leads back to the totla failure of the Freidman.Reagan/Bush/Bush, FAILED VOODOO Trickle down theory. Tell them that Jimmy Carter produced more jobs than either W. or his father, combinedAND cut oil imports, in half. Expect to be attacked, personally, when you point out this fact.



And at last, and this is probably the best advice of all, Don't bother debating with Conservatives, at all. They are generally nasty people which you would be far better off avoiding entirely. Who want's to argue needlessly with brick headed idiots who think that Sara Palin is a genius, or that a man can live inside of a whale.
</div></div>Way too much pasting.Cannot one speak from the heart and not from anothers lips!Jesus loves all.

Qtec
02-24-2011, 05:52 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Jesus loves you. </div></div>

Really?

Does he love the people in NZ who got squashed in the earthquake?
Does he love the Lybians who are being slaughtered in Lybia right now?
Does he also love all those kids that got and are getting buggered by so called Religious people around the world?

Explain because I don't get it...and don't give me the "God is Great and what happens is Gods will crap."


Q

LWW
02-24-2011, 06:04 AM
Yes.

And, there are many things you don't understand.

Here's a brief answer.

1 - A mortal life span is literally less than a blink of an eye in eternity.

2 - Man was created with free will.

3 - Free will means that we are all allowed to act in the animalistic manner which is half of our make up.

4 - Free will also means that we are all allowed to act in the divine manner which is the other half of our make up.

5 - Without an ultimate arbiter of right vs wrong, all choices become equally valid.

6 - In my system of beliefs, the child buggerer, the murderer, the thief, are all wrong ... whether they like it or not.

7 - In your belief system, right and wrong is arbitrary and open to the interpretation of the current majority. This allows things such as Nazi Germany, Mao's "CULTURAL REVOLUTION" and Cambodia's killing fields to happen under the guise of the will of the people.

LWW

eg8r
02-24-2011, 09:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does he love the people in NZ who got squashed in the earthquake?
Does he love the Lybians who are being slaughtered in Lybia right now?
Does he also love all those kids that got and are getting buggered by so called Religious people around the world?

</div></div>He absolutely loves every single one of them.

eg8r

LWW
02-24-2011, 11:28 AM
Excellent post.

LWW

Gayle in MD
02-24-2011, 12:16 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So whoever wrote this believes Christians, Jews, and Muslims are brick headed idiots (Jonah & the big fish is in both the Bible and a Qur'an)... and yet I'm sure the author will claim to be from the "tolerant" side of ideology. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif Sack</div></div>Brick headed idiots kan at times be loveable. Unlike sicko Godists, who are a pox on the whole earth.
mac. </div></div>

Mac, I think that says it all, lol.

JohnnyD
02-24-2011, 02:34 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So whoever wrote this believes Christians, Jews, and Muslims are brick headed idiots (Jonah & the big fish is in both the Bible and a Qur'an)... and yet I'm sure the author will claim to be from the "tolerant" side of ideology. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif Sack</div></div>Brick headed idiots kan at times be loveable. Unlike sicko Godists, who are a pox on the whole earth.
mac. </div></div>

Mac, I think that says it all, lol. </div></div>jesus loves all....JD

LWW
02-24-2011, 05:44 PM
Isn't it amazing that Q and Gee insult the beliefs of others ... yet neither of them can spell L-I-B-Y-A?

LWW