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Qtec
02-23-2011, 01:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'><u>Conservatives love to write off progressive populism as “the politics of envy,” saying we envy the rich </u>instead of recognizing them for being the hardworking entrepreneurs they are.
<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Given that, the current conservative exercise of attacking public employees for getting pensions, decent health care coverage, and occasional salary increases is irony on a scale rarely seen.</span>

<span style="color: #000099">Republicans and conservatives’<u> basic argument </u>is that since private-sector workers have been so thoroughly screwed on wages, health care, and retirement plans in recent decades, those same workers should be mad that teachers and cops and social workers have gotten a little more economic security than they have.<span style="color: #990000"> If that ain’t the politics of envy, I don’t know what is.</span></span></span> </div></div>

link (http://crooksandliars.com/mike-lux/politics-envy)

Q

cushioncrawler
02-23-2011, 01:54 AM
Getting layed for being paid. A sort of prostitution.
mac.

LWW
02-23-2011, 03:54 AM
You are aware that your source admits to being "CROOKS & LIARS" aren't you?

LWW

Qtec
02-23-2011, 04:08 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are aware that your source admits to being "CROOKS & LIARS" aren't you?

LWW </div></div>

There you go again, attacking the messenger.

The site does not admit to being crooks and liars. Anyone with basic reading comprehension can understand that.

What they do is <u>expose the crooks and liars and in this case republican hypocrisy.</u>

Another non-post from the great myth slayer......LOL

Q

LWW
02-23-2011, 04:19 AM
I attacked nobody, I simply stated the truth.

If I watch "FOX NEWS" I expect to see Fox News ... if I by a box of "CHEERIOS" I expect to get Cheerios ... if I watch something called "CROOKS & LIARS" then I expect to see crooks and liars.

It's you have issues with the idea od truth and lie being interchangeable based on what agenda the regime is pimping today.

Have you ever considered posting while sober?

LWW

Qtec
02-23-2011, 04:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I attacked nobody, I simply stated the truth.

If I watch "FOX NEWS" I expect to see Fox News ... if I by a box of "CHEERIOS" I expect to get Cheerios ... if I watch something called "CROOKS & LIARS" <u>then I expect to see crooks and liars.</u>
LWW </div></div>

That's not what you said.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You are aware that <u>your source admits to being "CROOKS & LIARS"</u></div></div>

Show me where they say this or just admit you are wrong.

Q

LWW
02-23-2011, 04:50 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> You are aware that <u>your source admits to being "CROOKS & LIARS"</u></div></div>

Show me where they say this or just admit you are wrong.

Q </div></div>

Here you go:

http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/sites/all/themes/cl2/images/masthead_base.jpg

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Qtec
02-23-2011, 05:01 AM
By your childish logic, if you go to http://www.thoselyingRepublicans.com, it must be a site run by lying republicans.

Q

Gayle in MD
02-23-2011, 05:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By your childish logic, if you go to http://www.thoselyingRepublicans.com, it must be a site run by lying republicans.

Q </div></div>

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Stretch
02-23-2011, 06:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By your childish logic, if you go to http://www.thoselyingRepublicans.com, it must be a site run by lying republicans.

Q </div></div>

Von Richtofendub didn't even get off the ground on this one LMFAO! St.

Gayle in MD
02-23-2011, 06:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'><u>Conservatives love to write off progressive populism as “the politics of envy,” saying we envy the rich </u>instead of recognizing them for being the hardworking entrepreneurs they are.
<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Given that, the current conservative exercise of attacking public employees for getting pensions, decent health care coverage, and occasional salary increases is irony on a scale rarely seen.</span>

<span style="color: #000099">Republicans and conservatives’<u> basic argument </u>is that since private-sector workers have been so thoroughly screwed on wages, health care, and retirement plans in recent decades, those same workers should be mad that teachers and cops and social workers have gotten a little more economic security than they have.<span style="color: #990000"> If that ain’t the politics of envy, I don’t know what is.</span></span></span> </div></div>

link (http://crooksandliars.com/mike-lux/politics-envy)

Q </div></div>

Same old, same old, Repiglilcan "Divide and Conquer" Freidnman Voodoo economic tactics.

They have built the very same economic inequality which led to the Great Depression, and the Repiglican voters are too stupid to see through their tactics.

Too much treasure in too few hands.

The economics of Fascism.

G.

Sev
02-23-2011, 08:23 AM
I see Gayle has new old favorite term. Fascism.

pooltchr
02-23-2011, 10:28 AM
Considering she is the head cheerleader of the "Hate the rich and take everything from them" crowd, is's almost funny to hear her attacking someone else for promoting class envy.

Steve

JohnnyD
02-23-2011, 11:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see Gayle has new old favorite term. Fascism. </div></div>Indeed.

JohnnyD
02-23-2011, 11:08 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Considering she is the head cheerleader of the "Hate the rich and take everything from them" crowd, is's almost funny to hear her attacking someone else for promoting class envy.

Steve </div></div> This is the truth.The truth has been told.Long live Julius Ceasar.

cushioncrawler
02-23-2011, 04:32 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The economics of Fascism. G.</div></div>Fascist econimics had a lot of good going for it. It inklooded some stuff that most partys would like.
mac.

Wiki -- An inherent aspect of fascist economies was economic dirigisme,[12] meaning an economy where the government exerts strong directive influence, and effectively controls production and allocation of resources. In general, apart from the nationalizations of some industries, fascist economies were based on private property and private initiative, but these were contingent upon service to the state.[13]

Fascism operated from a Social Darwinist view of human relations. Their aim was to promote superior individuals and weed out the weak.[14] In terms of economic practice, this meant promoting the interests of successful businessmen while destroying trade unions and other organizations of the working class.[15] Historian Gaetano Salvemini argued in 1936 that fascism makes taxpayers responsible to private enterprise, because "the State pays for the blunders of private enterprise... Profit is private and individual. Loss is public and social."[16] Fascist governments encouraged the pursuit of private profit and offered many benefits to large businesses, but they demanded in return that all economic activity should serve the national interest.[17]

One significant fascist economic belief was that prosperity would naturally follow once the nation has achieved a cultural and spiritual re-awakening.[18] Often, different members of a fascist party would make completely opposite statements about the economic policies they supported.[19] Once in power, fascists usually adopted whatever economic program they believed to be most suitable for their political goals. Long-lasting fascist regimes (such as that of Benito Mussolini in Italy) made drastic changes to their economic policy from time to time. Stanley Payne argues that while fascist movements defended the principle of private property, which they held "inherent to the freedom and spontaneity of the individual personality", a common aim of all fascist movements was elimination of the autonomy or, in some cases, the existence of large-scale capitalism.[20]

The fascists opposed both international socialism and liberal capitalism, arguing that their views represented a third way. They claimed to provide a realistic economic alternative that was neither laissez-faire capitalism nor communism.[21] They favoured corporatism and class collaboration, believing that the existence of inequality and separate social classes was beneficial (contrary to the views of socialists).[22] Fascists argued that the state had a role in mediating relations between these classes (contrary to the views of liberal capitalists).[23]

In most cases, fascists discouraged or banned foreign trade; fascists believed that too much international trade would make the national economy dependent on international capital, and therefore vulnerable to international economic sanctions. Economic self-sufficiency, known as autarky, was a major goal of most fascist governments.[24]

Fascism was highly militaristic, and as such, fascists often significantly increased military spending.

Gayle in MD
02-23-2011, 07:11 PM
Mac,
I hope you will make it a point to either read the book, The Shock Doctrine or watch the feature length documentary, based on the book, also titled, The Shock Doctrine

I think you will see, that promised good results, do not materialize, and instead, the money and power, goes to the top, wealthiest, and poverty prevails for the rest, and such is what really always follows.

It's all there, fully documented, including the Freidman involvement in Chile's downfall, long ago, and the more recent, Reagan/Freidman/Thatcher, negative results, for all but the wealthy.

It clearly explains, the folly of Trickle Down Economics, the Bush Cheney lies, and the resulting Bush/cheney/Rice/Rumsfeld RUSH to war, annd the endgame, economic SHOCK which they left behind them.

Everything is in place now, just as they planned it, but Americans do not read....they just tune in daily and buy into the daily manipulations of Rush, Beck, Palin, and the rest of the "Leaders" of the sheep.

Totally clueless!

G.

cushioncrawler
02-23-2011, 09:02 PM
Yes, i did read some of that stuff on uzing shock taktiks to bring in stuff that citizens wouldnt ordinaryly stomach.
Very good insight.
mac.

JohnnyD
02-23-2011, 09:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, i did read some of that stuff on uzing shock taktiks to bring in stuff that citizens wouldnt ordinaryly stomach.
Very good insight.
mac. </div></div>Excellent post.