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Sev
02-25-2011, 03:43 PM
WTF???
He can do this yet claims a scheduling conflict prevented him from addressing Libya in a timely manner??

This guys a joke.


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/02/obama-algeria-libya-motown-.html#more


<span style="color: #000000">Obama takes a day off from diplomatic warnings, praises Algeria, then celebrates the Motown Sound
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February 24, 2011 | 7:00 pm


President Obama has been issuing a number of international warnings in recent days -- to Egypt, to Hosni Mubarak, to Bahrain, to Libya. (Scroll down for a longer list of his warnings.)

Today, instead of warning another country, he praised Algeria for lifting its state of emergency decree that's been in effect since Obama was in law school somewhere.

The Illinois Democrat has been chided recently for becoming something of a tardy diplomatic scold, warning many countries and foreign leaders but leaving Iran-bashing to underlings. So, Obama took the occasion Thursday to make a considerably longer statement celebrating the Motown Sound and Black History Month at another star-studded White House music party. (See complete texts of both statements b</span>elow.)

pooltchr
02-25-2011, 05:21 PM
Good to see he is getting his priorities straight.

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Steve

Soflasnapper
02-25-2011, 07:37 PM
Complete cheap shot. Every president is doing THIS, when they could be doing THAT (and in this case, it isn't clear that he should be doing whatever anyone suggests is a better use of his time. 'Condemning' yet another country takes about 15 minutes of time. 'Condemning Gadhafi by name' was foolish and most unwise until we secured the transport out of the country of the thousand Americans there.)

If Obama had called a council of Arab nations together and left the country to lead a peace conference, there would be talk of 'of course, he's an Arab himself,' and complaints about the expense of his security.

And you all talk about haters? Please, hate is all you have with regard to Obama, together with wholly mistaken, howlingly off-target talking points.

pooltchr
02-25-2011, 07:58 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Complete cheap shot. Every president is doing THIS, when they could be doing THAT </div></div>

So, for example if the President were say, oh, flying over a disaster scene rather than visiting it on the ground, it could quite possibly be a better use of his time?

Glad to hear you say that. Some of your leftist friends don't comprehend that idea at all.

Steve

Soflasnapper
02-25-2011, 08:19 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Complete cheap shot. Every president is doing THIS, when they could be doing THAT </div></div>

So, for example if the President were say, oh, flying over a disaster scene rather than visiting it on the ground, it could quite possibly be a better use of his time?

Glad to hear you say that. Some of your leftist friends don't comprehend that idea at all.

Steve </div></div>

It's not as if O didn't get a boatload of rightie criticism when he didn't get to the Gulf quick enough for their taste.

I think there is a difference when the demand is for window-dressing, instead of action. However, when there is no action, and instead dithering, when American lives are being lost, then the criticism is more valid.

In the case of Bush, he was oblivious and out of touch while vacationing, according to his own people. He set an angry tone, and people were afraid to tell him what was going on. Rather than somebody volunteer to face his wrath, the plan they used was to burn the television coverage to a dvd and hand that over for him to see what he didn't know was going on. Then, his fly-over was criticized for the catchup window-dressing it was, and fairly, in my view, because during his out of touch time, many hundreds died because of FEMA inaction, and the 30,000 foot flyover was way too little, too late.

Sev
02-25-2011, 09:18 PM
Apparently the barge Obama rented to get the 146 Americans out was to so small.

Genius. Shear genius.

The last thing Ghadafi was going to do was cause a hostage situation with US citizens. The last thing he wants is US boots on the ground. He may be a loon. However he well aware of how such a situation would turn out.

Now with with the citizens of the US off Libyan soil the US is in no position to stage an attack or an invasion. If Obama uses the War Powers Act to put boots on the ground now he becomes Bush.

As of tonight Obama has not even come out and endorsed the Rebels.

He is triangulating.

pooltchr
02-25-2011, 10:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I think there is a difference when the demand is for window-dressing, instead of action. </div></div>

Oh come on! It's all window dressing, and you know it! What was GW going to do on the ground in Lousiana? Shake hands? Take pictures with homeless people? Go sit on someone's roof with them?

What was Obama doing in the gulf? Picking up a few tar balls off a beach? Go out and wash oil off a turtle?

Physically being on the scene actually adds to the problems in those situations. They are nothing but a distraction, taking people away from their jobs, to be part of the parade that accompanies a president.

Now in this case, Obama was in Washington, so it's only a question of what was he doing. Was he dealing with important world issues, or celebrating black history month with a little R&B music? It's the perception, and it seems he has once again failed to even be in touch with what is important.

He just seems to keep coming up short when it comes to projecting any sort of leadership.

Look, I don't like his policies...you do. That's ok. But anyone with a grain of sense has to admit that he has done very little to instill any confidence with the public with his leadership ability.

He is a great campaigner, and can get a crowd fired up. But when the rubber meets the road, the term "empty suit" seems appropriate.

Steve

Sev
02-26-2011, 07:42 AM
The man is in over his head.
Notice how much he has aged in 2 years.

The stress just might end up killing him. For his own health he should just resign.

Soflasnapper
02-26-2011, 12:22 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Apparently the barge Obama rented to get the 146 Americans out was to so small.

Genius. Shear genius.

The last thing Ghadafi was going to do was cause a hostage situation with US citizens. The last thing he wants is US boots on the ground. He may be a loon. However he well aware of how such a situation would turn out.

Now with with the citizens of the US off Libyan soil the US is in no position to stage an attack or an invasion. If Obama uses the War Powers Act to put boots on the ground now he becomes Bush.

As of tonight Obama has not even come out and endorsed the Rebels.

He is triangulating. </div></div>

Obama did not rent any barge (or ferry, which it actually was). Do you think he googled the local market for ferries himself, and made this decision? Who supposedly knows that some ferries are too small, and the WAVES (???) in the Mediterranean Sea (???) so large at times, that some of these ferries cannot be safely launched? And that the weather conditions there were just right to cause this situation?

To take Qadhafi to be a rational actor is a risk that no president could take when American lives are at stake.

Sev
02-26-2011, 12:39 PM
You would think somebody would have done the research.

Soflasnapper
02-27-2011, 03:18 PM
Maybe it was an avoidable screwup, maybe not.

But whoever did it was not the president, nor any senior US official. To say it was Obama is not close to correct.

LWW
02-27-2011, 03:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe it was an avoidable screwup, maybe not.

But whoever did it was not the president, nor any senior US official. To say it was Obama is not close to correct. </div></div>

Technically you are correct.

That being said we have went from watching the far left personally blame Bush when someone got a stale hot dog bun at the Yosemite concession stand to excusing incompetence at every level of the regime's chain of command.

LWW

JohnnyD
02-27-2011, 05:32 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe it was an avoidable screwup, maybe not.

But whoever did it was not the president, nor any senior US official. To say it was Obama is not close to correct. </div></div>

Technically you are correct.

That being said we have went from watching the far left personally blame Bush when someone got a stale hot dog bun at the Yosemite concession stand to excusing incompetence at every level of the regime's chain of command.

LWW </div></div>Once again the myth slayer slays another one.How does he do it?

LWW
02-28-2011, 02:15 AM
I simply view the issue through the prism of verifiable fact, and I weight each source according to their historical accuracy.

What I wish was the truth often isn't the actual truth and I have to accept that.

I wish others would do the same.

If they did, sources such as MEDIAMATTERS.COM and RUMORMILLNEWS.COM would be out of business.

LWW