View Full Version : WI governor's bait and switch

02-27-2011, 05:49 PM
According to Bill-O:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> David Brooks, to the right of O’Reilly: Paul Krugman’s new column is very important. But first:

Consider two letters about his colleague, the fading David Brooks.

For unknown reasons, Brooks’ work has seemed weaker and weaker of late, even as his pique with Krugman’s work has seemed to grow. This morning, two letter-writers flag a groaner from his most recent column.

On Tuesday, Brooks wrote about Scott Walker; he called the governor’s critics “amusingly Orwellian.” According to Brooks, “Whatever you might say about Walker, he and the Republican majorities in Wisconsin were elected, and they are doing exactly what they told voters they would do.”

Governor Walker is doing exactly what he said! Today, two letters correct that claim. If anything, the letters are a tad too kind to Brooks:

LETTER TO THE NEW YORK TIMES (2/25/11): David Brooks repeats a claim that Gov. Scott Walker makes: As governor, he is simply doing what he said he would do.

In fact, while he said repeatedly that he would ask public employees to pay a bigger share of pensions and health care costs, Mr. Walker did not during his long campaign make clear that he would move to take away bargaining rights, essentially putting public employee unions out of business.

Given the strong reaction to his post-election surprise actions, it is not a stretch to say that if he had been honest with the voters about his plans, he might not have been elected.

Sorry, but no—whatever one thinks of Walker’s current proposal, he didn’t campaign on the promise to end collective bargaining. How far off-track has Brooks now gone? Last evening, on the Fox News Channel, Bill O’Reilly was careful to make this point, contradicting Laura Ingraham again and again.

O'REILLY (2/24/11): But according to this poll, Walker has not won the hearts and minds of his citizens in limiting collective bargaining. He has not.

INGRAHAM: Well, but he won the election campaigning on it.

O'REILLY: In everything—everything else he won, he's winning, but not in this.

INGRAHAM: Governing by polls is also quite difficult; as you said it's difficult to measure. I don't—do you know anyone who answers their home phone to even do a poll? So you know, they're, they're fascinating until—until you realize that he campaigned on this very point to restore fiscal order, and sanity to the state. You cannot do that—

O'REILLY: But he didn't campaign on limiting—no, no, no! He did not campaign on limiting collective bargaining. He did on fiscal responsibility.

INGRAHAM: Right. But Bill—

O'REILLY: And Ohio Governor John Kasich made a very good—

INGRAHAM: —in two months.

O'REILLY: —case last night. But he didn't campaign on collective bargaining. He did not.

Oof! From Mr. O, we got the straight dope. From columnist Brooks, not so much!</div></div>

02-28-2011, 02:19 AM
So ... what is the bait and switch?

What is the reason the bill cannot resume negotiations?

Are you that naive', or that partisan?


02-28-2011, 09:00 AM
The bait and switch is that as candidate for governor he said he'd have to get some money from the unions, and now as governor, without prior notice, he says that in addition to getting money, he must substantially strip collective bargaining rights.

Had he campaigned and won on that explicit action, he'd have a point that he was only doing what he said he would do, and therefore has a mandate from the people for this radical action.

Since he didn't, this is government by ambush and trick, just as we saw in the botched Assembly vote at 1 am on Saturday morning.

Considering the unions have already agreed to the money part, there is no excuse for the governor not to reopen negotiations to get that money, while leaving this new and previously unmentioned on the campaign trail part of his agenda out, as a compromise. He refuses to take 'yes' as an answer that would fully save the state all the money he says is required (even though that amount is only required because he gave the exact amount to his supporters in tax breaks).

02-28-2011, 09:07 AM
The union compromise does not address the long term issues.
Its kicking the can down the road again and will allow the status quo to continue.

02-28-2011, 09:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The union compromise does not address the long term issues.
Its kicking the can down the road again and will allow the status quo to continue. </div></div>

Bush kicked the can so far down the road Obama is still trying to find it. St.

02-28-2011, 09:54 AM
Uh huh.
Nice logic.

Actually Obama has turned the can into a drum.

Gayle in MD
03-01-2011, 12:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The union compromise does not address the long term issues.
Its kicking the can down the road again and will allow the status quo to continue. </div></div>

Bush kicked the can so far down the road Obama is still trying to find it. St. </div></div>

LOL, Bush smashed the can flat....

Christie and Walker both refused to raise taxes on millionaires, and billionaires, in their states, Repiglicans used protecting millionaires and billionaires, and corporations, as a way to hold hostage the unemployed's benefits.

Those on the streets in Wisconsin, and New Jersey, and across this country, seem to now, have the goods on the Repiglicans, too, attacking them for protecting corporations, and subsidizing the ones who are pulling in record profits, allowing a situation where only 2/3 pay any taxes, and maintaining the Bush tax cuts for the RICH.

I am now hearing people being interviewed on the streets of Wisconsin and New Jersey, bashing Repiglicans for protecting corporations, and the millionaire and billionaire CEO's who outsource our jobs, and hide their money off shore.

Repiglicans are proving very clearly, they are ONLY for the interests of the wealthy.

Their current plan will throw 700,000 people out of work.

Repiglican Governors, are going to do the same thing. Maintain the loopholes for the rich, and throw the rest out.

Children are already dying in fires, because the roving Brown Outs,splitting work time, amoung fire houses, created a situation where the closest firehous, will not always be the one that answers the call, and hence, two little children died in a fire, already.

Repuglicans will make sure, that the wealthy CEO's are safe behind their gated enclaves, counting their hidden money, they have stashed in the Cayman Islands.

Polls in Wisconsin show that Walker, would not be elected if their was a recall.

While I hate seeing Americans workers, having to go through what I am watching in Wisconsin, it is heartening, to see the police and firemen, standing with their fellow Wisconsins, and a joy in one way, to watch the REAL silent majority, coming forward, and standing together against the Repiglican policies, finally being shown up for the true pigs which they have always been, and will always be.

Many in our country, are finally waking up! I say, bravo!


03-01-2011, 01:33 AM
politifact says FALSE (http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/22/scott-walker/wisconsin-gov-scott-walker-says-he-campaigned-his-/)


03-01-2011, 05:32 AM

Are they on your good list again?


Gayle in MD
03-01-2011, 09:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> politifact says FALSE (http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/feb/22/scott-walker/wisconsin-gov-scott-walker-says-he-campaigned-his-/)

Q </div></div>
Another proven Repiglican LIAR.

They are nothing but pawns for the wealthy. It is easy to see where the Nation's wealth goes whenever Repigs have power, and this time, part of their plan is to increase unemployment, and then blame the President for the higher unemployment rates.

The right has no idea how to run anything that involved money.

When times are bad, spending money is a must! We need to make investments, not throw those who are suffering the most, under the bus, taking away the rights of those who vote Democratic, and constibute to the Democratic party, which is their ONLY voice, and WASTING our revenues by doling out more to the same wealthy CEO's who brought the country to it's knees..in numerous ways....we all know who they are, the great gougers, energy and oil, pharma, insurance, health costs, and the industries which have outsourced our jobs, being paid in subsidies and loopholes, with the Middle Class Tax Dollars, while they steal from the country, both treasure and jobs, and spread the cancer rates through the roof!

Contracting cronies, war profiteering, at the top levels, pushing for war to line the pockets of the wealthy, for eight damned years, with money being stolen non stop...while they gave subsidies for the corrupt greedy corporations who outsource jobs, pollute the environment, make us ill, soak us at the gas pumps, the pharmacy, the doctors office and the hospitals, in the Health Care industry, raising living costs, in general, the ill are then further soaked by the Health Insurance monopoly, dumping the ill, while the bankers are raising credit costs, and pushing bad loans and refi's.

Basically, Repiglicans and corporations, since Reagan, have destroyed this country. GREED is their only mantra, GREED IS GOOD. All of the religious BS is just part of their method to bring about the SHOCK they need to arrange more power to the wealthy, to take over everything, in collusion with the fascist right.


03-01-2011, 05:20 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
They are nothing but pawns for the wealthy.


Then explain why old money and Wall Street back dear leader and the democrooks?