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Qtec
03-13-2011, 04:27 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One of the problems with everything going haywire at once is the possibility of letting a really, really important thing go unnoticed. While we've all been looking at Wisconsin, Michigan could actually be facing worse, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>and more draconian measures intended not only to break unions, but the public schools, municipal governments and much, much more.</span>

The Michigan Martial Law Act of 2011 is fast-tracking right onto Governor Rick Snyder's desk just in time to take center stage after the fact. Despite large protests in Lansing, it's getting very little press while the Wisconsin conflict continues.

Michigan Messenger:

According to the law, which has already been approved in the House, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>the governor will be able to declare “financial emergency” in towns or school districts and appoint someone<span style='font-size: 17pt'> <span style='font-size: 26pt'>to fire local elected officials,</span></span> break contracts, seize and sell assets, and eliminate services.</span>

<span style="color: #3333FF"> Get that? Your vote doesn't count!</span>

Under the law <span style='font-size: 14pt'>whole cities or school districts could be eliminated without any public participation or oversight, <u>and amendments designed to provide minimal safeguards and public involvement were voted down.</u></span>

<span style="color: #990000">An amendment to require Emergency Managers to hold monthly public meetings to let people know how they are governing was rejected by Senate Republicans, along with proposals to cap Emergency Manager compensation and require that those appointed to run school districts have some background in education. </span></div></div>

Now THAT"S what I call a Govt takeover.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This law will give this Republican administration in Michigan the right to overturn the will of the people by tossing their elected officials out and moving the "backboned ones" in.

..The coordinated efforts across these many states makes me wonder if they're violating RICO statutes. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>If ever there was an example of racketeering, it's what the US Chamber, Koch Industries, the Republican Governors' Association and corporate interests are doing in these states. While they railroad people everywhere, the stench of their arrogance rises like the odor of dead fish on the beach. </span></div></div>

Watch the video. Rachel explains how your town could end up being run bu a company or a corporation. link (http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/michigans-governor-may-be-worse-walker)

Q...I'm sure the 'less govt intrusion' people will be up in arms about this.

Gayle in MD
03-13-2011, 05:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One of the problems with everything going haywire at once is the possibility of letting a really, really important thing go unnoticed. While we've all been looking at Wisconsin, Michigan could actually be facing worse, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>and more draconian measures intended not only to break unions, but the public schools, municipal governments and much, much more.</span>

The Michigan Martial Law Act of 2011 is fast-tracking right onto Governor Rick Snyder's desk just in time to take center stage after the fact. Despite large protests in Lansing, it's getting very little press while the Wisconsin conflict continues.

Michigan Messenger:

According to the law, which has already been approved in the House, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>the governor will be able to declare “financial emergency” in towns or school districts and appoint someone<span style='font-size: 17pt'> <span style='font-size: 26pt'>to fire local elected officials,</span></span> break contracts, seize and sell assets, and eliminate services.</span>

<span style="color: #3333FF"> Get that? Your vote doesn't count!</span>

Under the law <span style='font-size: 14pt'>whole cities or school districts could be eliminated without any public participation or oversight, <u>and amendments designed to provide minimal safeguards and public involvement were voted down.</u></span>

<span style="color: #990000">An amendment to require Emergency Managers to hold monthly public meetings to let people know how they are governing was rejected by Senate Republicans, along with proposals to cap Emergency Manager compensation and require that those appointed to run school districts have some background in education. </span></div></div>

Now THAT"S what I call a Govt takeover.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This law will give this Republican administration in Michigan the right to overturn the will of the people by tossing their elected officials out and moving the "backboned ones" in.

..The coordinated efforts across these many states makes me wonder if they're violating RICO statutes. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>If ever there was an example of racketeering, it's what the US Chamber, Koch Industries, the Republican Governors' Association and corporate interests are doing in these states. While they railroad people everywhere, the stench of their arrogance rises like the odor of dead fish on the beach. </span></div></div>

Watch the video. Rachel explains how your town could end up being run bu a company or a corporation. link (http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/michigans-governor-may-be-worse-walker)

Q...I'm sure the 'less govt intrusion' people will be up in arms about this.

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I thought that Walker had much these same intrusions of power overreach, as well. No doubt, these Governors will only hurt their states. They are showing how short sighted they are, and how inept they are as regards building their respective state economies, instead, they are tearing them down, and dn't care. Their ONLY clients, are the dirty oil pullutors, who will be buying their seats, and votes, for the next election.


I am so thankful we got rid of Erlich, our former Republican Governor, who ran our state into the ground, and nearly got away with polluting it, as well...our values did not aleign, hence, he's gone!


Maryland is number one again for the third year in a row, in education, thanks to our Democratic Governor. Our Governor and General Assemply has made investments into the classrooms of our state, and into the educatonal opportunities for our kids in the State Of Maryland.

We have an education based economy, in Institutions like Johns Hopkins, the University of Maryland, National Institutes of Health, and many other Insitutions in the state, all of which have built a highly educated work force.

Maryland has the highest percentage of college graduates in the work force, and the highest percentage of post graduates in the work force, of any state, so in order to have that work force available, we knew we would have to have an educational system which drives those opportunities, which brings businesses here, hence, we have invested in that educated work force.

Yes, we get a tremendous amount of Grant money, for Institutions, as well, the Applied Physics Laboratory alone, at Johns Hopkins, in Howard Country, gets a billion dollars a year.

We get more money for NIH, than any other Institution, Hopkins and the University Of Maryland Medical Center, as well, get more, than any other Institutions in the country, as far as population is concerned, so we have a lot of grants coming here, and you need an educated work force, our Community Colleges are growing by leaps and bounds. The university of Maryland is in the top ten ranked research Institutions for public Institutions in the country.

This educational investment, ties directly into jobs, our unemployment rate is about two percent below the national average, and we continue to invest in education, knowing that education is the key to our success, going forward.

Thanks to Governor O'Malley, we did not raise tuition for four years, and this year, while other states have raised their tuition by fifteen and twenty percent, in these tough economic times, we've raised ours by only three percent, and for community colleges, as well, so we're very conscious of our educational system, and the role it plays in bringing more jobs, as we go forward.

Also, we are concerned about the environemnt, and developing clean energy, we are the stewards of the largest Free Estuary in the Western Hemisphere, and we take that role very seriously.

We have restored our oyster population, which cleanses the Chesapeake Bay, mostly through monies donated to the Chesapeake Bay Foundation, and the Chesapeake Bay Trust, and through our very high taxes, yes, they are high, we know you only get what you're willing to pay for, but we also have a huge volunteer network, as well, and also, Clean Energy, is a huge issue, here. Last years tax deductable, Check off porgram, raised about 1.2 million dollars, and about 600,000 from the trust, with part of those monies going to K through Twelve, environmental education, and into Community programs to restore our tributaries. We've raised thirty four million dollars, for Chesapeake Bay Foundation, which goes back out into the state to keep the Bay clean, and resource community efforts, to protect our environment, and through the C.B.Trust, $600,000 and our ethical performance is rated four star, by Charity navigator, an independent National Organization for rating non profits, with a ninety cents on the dollar, return directly into our programs.

We are expanding to wind energy, and solar energy, sold to businesses and homes here in Maryland, and tax breaks are part of that thrust for clean energy.

Wind turbines are going up in Western Maryland, several projects are under way, which will be sold to BG&E, and be part of the portfolio. Further discussions will be held this year about expanding wind to off shore locations, along the Delmarva Peninsula.

We currently have a very large Save The Bay Foundation, which is looking into how to prevent the invasion of Fracking, into our environment, and Marylanders are forming groups to fight that possibility, all over our State.

When I hear the plans of Republican Governors, targetting education, and public employees, as part of their attack on Middle Class employees, who keep us safe, and educate our kids, I can't help but think how foolish, how short sighted, and how damaging their policies will be to their states, going forward, in a world, in which education, and clean energy, will be the name of the game.

G.

Qtec
03-14-2011, 07:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought that Walker had much these same intrusions of power overreach, </div></div>

No doubt, but nobody really knows what's in the bill that was passed in WI. Time will tell what hidden surprises are concealed within it.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Don't you think it is amazing the total lack of response from the other side?</span>
Obama wanted to give HC to more Americans and they went loopy calling it a Govt takeover.
<u>Here we have a prime example</u> of an unconstitutional power grab - for real this time - and the silence is deafening.

Again, just in case they missed it.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>the governor will be able to declare “financial emergency” in towns or school districts and appoint someone to <span style="color: #990000">fire local elected officials, break contracts, seize and sell assets, and eliminate services.</span></span> </div></div>

They would rather abandon all their principals than admit they were wrong.

Q

Sev
03-14-2011, 07:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought that Walker had much these same intrusions of power overreach, </div></div>

No doubt, but nobody really knows what's in the bill that was passed in WI. Time will tell what hidden surprises are concealed within it.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Don't you think it is amazing the total lack of response from the other side?</span>
Obama wanted to give HC to more Americans and they went loopy calling it a Govt takeover.
<u>Here we have a prime example</u> of an unconstitutional power grab - for real this time - and the silence is deafening.

Again, just in case they missed it.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>the governor will be able to declare “financial emergency” in towns or school districts and appoint someone to <span style="color: #990000">fire local elected officials, break contracts, seize and sell assets, and eliminate services.</span></span> </div></div>

They would rather abandon all their principals than admit they were wrong.

Q
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Nobody knows???
What???
Was it 3000 pages long??? Are they hiding 105 billion of annual funding in there?? Death panels perhaps???

Give me a brake Q. Gayles own state has almost the same rules as WI just passed. I dont see her wailing about the supposed injustices to public sector unions in her state.
She may want to do a bit of research on the matter concerning her home state.

Gayle in MD
03-14-2011, 07:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought that Walker had much these same intrusions of power overreach, </div></div>

No doubt but nobody really knows what's in the bill that was passed in WI. Time will tell what hidden surprises are concealed within it.

Don't you think it is amazing the total lack of response from the other side? Obama wanted to give HC to more Americans and they went loopy caling it a Govt takeover.
Here we have a prime example of a unconstitutional power grab - for real this time - and the silence is deafening.

Again, just in case they missed it.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>the governor will be able to declare “financial emergency” in towns or school districts and appoint someone to fire local elected officials, break contracts, seize and sell assets, and eliminate services.</span> </div></div>

They would rather abandon all their principals than admit they were wrong.

Q
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Well yes, that has been their problem, all along, hence, a second term for Bush, the traitor and war criminal, and through it all, they defended him, and still refuse to admit to the unprecedented damages he left in his wake, as they pretend that they were outraged over his spending, LMAO!!!

If there was ever a post of outrage, over anything Bush did, written on this site, I'm sure we'd have noticed it, don't you think so, lol. The only one who had any real class, and honor regarding that, was Seacaucus Fats, when he was posting as Fats Redux. Nice guy, actually, and the only righties here, who changed his mind about Bush's Disastrous policies, and stated it, a man of principle, as it turned out.

I actually don't think Republicans, or their followers, HAVE any principles, other than lying and denying the truth, while claiming omnipotence.

The only good thing in all of this Union business, is that 60 to 80 percent, are against it.

In fact, most people are against the Republican policies, including continuing the BUSH tax cuts for the rich, and against that, also, by a very large margin.

Most are also against tapping SS and Medicare, to balance the budget, and address the deficit, and more are for reducing the vast billions of wasted money, stolen by the Militray Industrial Complex, the war profiteering contractors.

Most want taxes raised on the wealthy, loopholes for the Oil Industry, etc., removed, and the right to Free voting in secret, among ALL American workers, for joining Unions. It seems to me, Republicans are digging their own graves, AGAIN! I've been writing all along, they misunderstood their success in the last election. there WAS no mandate for their policies, the Liberals, didn't show, because Obama, made too manny concessions to the right.

Same ol' Same ol'...Republicans are good at campaigning, running their BS, and lousy at governing. AND, they are the worst imaginable, at economics, obviously.

All hat no cattle....

They're going to pay a huge price for these attacks on our unions. Even the Right leaning polls, like "Rasmucous" /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif lol, show that current Republican policies, are not what the country wants.

G.

Qtec
03-14-2011, 07:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Current law also requires the employer to pay all of the employer required contributions, but permits the employer to also pay all or part of the employee required contributions </div></div>

Is there any change to this in the repair bill? If so, what was it?


Haven't seen this in the MSM or FOX..

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This bill authorizes a state agency to discharge any state employee who fails to report to work as scheduled for any three unexcused working days during a state of emergency <span style='font-size: 17pt'>or who participates in a strike, work stoppage, sit−down, stay−in, slowdown, or other concerted activities to interrupt the of operations or services of state government, including specifically purported mass resignations or sick calls. Under the bill, engaging in any of these actions constitutes just cause for discharge. </span> </div></div>

The right to protest <span style='font-size: 20pt'>has just been abolished</span>.


Scott thinks that you are all too dumb to make your own decisions. He will do that for you.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>The RW bleats and claps its flippers, while at the same time it slams Obama from trying to give them affordable HC and saving the country from economic disaster at the same time.</span>

Q

Gayle in MD
03-14-2011, 08:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Current law also requires the employer to pay all of the employer required contributions, but permits the employer to also pay all or part of the employee required contributions </div></div>

Is there any change to this in the repair bill? If so, what was it?


Haven't seen this in the MSM or FOX..

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This bill authorizes a state agency to discharge any state employee who fails to report to work as scheduled for any three unexcused working days during a state of emergency <span style='font-size: 17pt'>or who participates in a strike, work stoppage, sit−down, stay−in, slowdown, or other concerted activities to interrupt the of operations or services of state government, including specifically purported mass resignations or sick calls. Under the bill, engaging in any of these actions constitutes just cause for discharge. </span> </div></div>

The right to protest <span style='font-size: 20pt'>has just been abolished</span>.


Scott thinks that you are all too dumb to make your own decisions. He will do that for you.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>The RW bleats and claps its flippers, while at the same time it slams Obama from trying to give them affordable HC and saving the country from economic disaster at the same time.</span>

Q </div></div>

Yes, and they even demonize the First Lady's promotion of healthy eating, and excersizing, as Government Takeover, LAO!

While 80% of our health Costs, are caused by the 20% of those with chronic illness, most of it related to Obesity!

And where is obesity the most pervasive???

In the Bible Belt!

G.

JohnnyD
03-14-2011, 09:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Current law also requires the employer to pay all of the employer required contributions, but permits the employer to also pay all or part of the employee required contributions </div></div>

Is there any change to this in the repair bill? If so, what was it?


Haven't seen this in the MSM or FOX..

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This bill authorizes a state agency to discharge any state employee who fails to report to work as scheduled for any three unexcused working days during a state of emergency <span style='font-size: 17pt'>or who participates in a strike, work stoppage, sit−down, stay−in, slowdown, or other concerted activities to interrupt the of operations or services of state government, including specifically purported mass resignations or sick calls. Under the bill, engaging in any of these actions constitutes just cause for discharge. </span> </div></div>

The right to protest <span style='font-size: 20pt'>has just been abolished</span>.


Scott thinks that you are all too dumb to make your own decisions. He will do that for you.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>The RW bleats and claps its flippers, while at the same time it slams Obama from trying to give them affordable HC and saving the country from economic disaster at the same time.</span>

Q </div></div>

Yes, and they even demonize the First Lady's promotion of healthy eating, and excersizing, as Government Takeover, LAO!

While 80% of our health Costs, are caused by the 20% of those with chronic illness, most of it related to Obesity!

And where is obesity the most pervasive???

In the Bible Belt!

G. </div></div> Go on a diet then and help out!

It's that simple.
No cut and Paste needed.

Qtec
03-14-2011, 09:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go on a diet then and help out! </div></div>

Nice thing to say.

You are a phoney. You start off with your 'jesus loves you' crap and then, over time, you reveal yourself to be the nasty person you are.

The truth will set you free J, only if you accept it.

Q..............another one bites the dust.

Sev
03-14-2011, 09:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Current law also requires the employer to pay all of the employer required contributions, but permits the employer to also pay all or part of the employee required contributions </div></div>

Is there any change to this in the repair bill? If so, what was it?


Haven't seen this in the MSM or FOX..

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This bill authorizes a state agency to discharge any state employee who fails to report to work as scheduled for any three unexcused working days during a state of emergency <span style='font-size: 17pt'>or who participates in a strike, work stoppage, sit−down, stay−in, slowdown, or other concerted activities to interrupt the of operations or services of state government, including specifically purported mass resignations or sick calls. Under the bill, engaging in any of these actions constitutes just cause for discharge. </span> </div></div>

The right to protest <span style='font-size: 20pt'>has just been abolished</span>.


Scott thinks that you are all too dumb to make your own decisions. He will do that for you.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>The RW bleats and claps its flippers, while at the same time it slams Obama from trying to give them affordable HC and saving the country from economic disaster at the same time.</span>

Q </div></div>

RW bleats and claps its flippers????

HAHHAHAHHAAHAA!!!

God thats funny.

ugotda7
03-14-2011, 10:10 AM
http://blog.stixblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/dem-crying-baby-seal.jpg

JohnnyD
03-14-2011, 10:12 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> http://blog.stixblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/dem-crying-baby-seal.jpg </div></div>


LOL

HONDO

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

pooltchr
03-14-2011, 10:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The right to protest <span style='font-size: 20pt'>has just been abolished</span>.


Q </div></div>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Completely untrue. </span> The law simply requires employees to show up like they are supposed to, do their jobs like they are supposed to, and not participate in activities that disrupt the operation of their employers.

They have every right to protest....on their own time. But if they think they should be able to do it on their employer's dime, they have another thing coming.

Steve