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Qtec
03-24-2011, 05:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>It was never about the state budget</span>


Political pundit Michael Kinsley once famously defined a gaffe as "when a politician tells the truth." State Sen. <u>Scott Fitzgerald (R-Juneau) committed such a gaffe on Fox News on March 9, admitting the real motives behind Gov. Scott Walker's union-busting law.</u>

Fitzgerald told Megyn Kelly, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>"If we win this battle, and the money is not there under the auspices of the unions, certainly what you're going to find is President Obama is going to have a much difficult, much more difficult time getting elected and winning the state of Wisconsin."</span>

That's what it's about - defunding the opposition party so that it cannot compete against the Republicans. <u>And that explains why Walker refused to compromise, even after the unions offered all the financial concessions he was demanding.</u>

It's obvious that this was never about the budget. Walker claims he had to take away most of the collective bargaining rights of public-employee unions so that local governments would have the ability to cope with the huge cuts in state aid he was about to push through. <u>But police and firefighters unions were excluded from the new law - perhaps as political payback since some supported Walker in the gubernatorial campaign,</u> perhaps as part of a "divide and conquer" strategy, probably some of both - and for many local governments, fire and police employees account for 60% to 70% of personnel costs.

Walker also justified the move on the grounds that the state is "broke." PolitiFact already has disposed of that claim, but more to the point, there is no crisis. Republican politicians from states all over the country are claiming there is one and, like Walker, using the supposed emergency to make unprecedented power grabs.

That there is no crisis is a subject for another column. The point here is that Republicans and their corporate masters (<span style='font-size: 17pt'>funny how some rave about Democratic politicians supposedly being in the unions' pockets but are silent about the corporate money that funds the GOP</span>) know that unions represent their only competition in funding election campaigns.

<span style='font-size: 20pt'><u>In the 2010 elections, of the top 10 groups making outside expenditures on campaigns, only three favored Democratic/liberal candidates, and all of those three were unions.</u> Destroy the unions, and you destroy the funding base of the Democratic Party.</span> (You can check this for yourself at OpenSecrets.org).

<span style="color: #990000">When the U.S. Supreme Court handed down its Citizens United decision,<span style='font-size: 14pt'> which removed limits on corporate spending in election campaigns,</span> liberals decried the increase in corporate influence this would bring. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>One common retort was that labor unions also would be allowed unlimited spending. But a year later, the GOP is going after the unions, not just in Wisconsin but in other states, with the apparent aim of giving Republicans a fundraising monopoly.</span></span>

This explains the intransigence, the overheated rhetoric, the Democratic flight, the Republican resort to tricky, if not illegal, parliamentary maneuvering. This is not really a fight over whether public employees should have collective bargaining rights. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>This is a battle over the continued existence of the Democratic Party as a competitive alternative to the Republican Party.

Don't let a distrust of government or a dislike of organized labor blind you to what's really happening here. We have a completely corrupt electoral system in which one of the parties believes it has found a way to kneecap the opposition and gain an effective monopoly. Even if you're a conservative, ask yourself:<span style='font-size: 17pt'> Do you really want a one-party system?</span></span>

Janice M. Eisen of Brookfield is a writer and editor. </div></div>

Q

Gayle in MD
03-24-2011, 06:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>It was never about the state budget</span>


Political pundit Michael Kinsley once famously defined a gaffe as "when a politician tells the truth." State Sen. <u>Scott Fitzgerald (R-Juneau) committed such a gaffe on Fox News on March 9, admitting the real motives behind Gov. Scott Walker's union-busting law.</u>

Fitzgerald told Megyn Kelly, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>"If we win this battle, and the money is not there under the auspices of the unions, certainly what you're going to find is President Obama is going to have a much difficult, much more difficult time getting elected and winning the state of Wisconsin."</span>

That's what it's about - defunding the opposition party so that it cannot compete against the Republicans. <u>And that explains why Walker refused to compromise, even after the unions offered all the financial concessions he was demanding.</u>

It's obvious that this was never about the budget. Walker claims he had to take away most of the collective bargaining rights of public-employee unions so that local governments would have the ability to cope with the huge cuts in state aid he was about to push through. <u>But police and firefighters unions were excluded from the new law - perhaps as political payback since some supported Walker in the gubernatorial campaign,</u> perhaps as part of a "divide and conquer" strategy, probably some of both - and for many local governments, fire and police employees account for 60% to 70% of personnel costs.

Walker also justified the move on the grounds that the state is "broke." PolitiFact already has disposed of that claim, but more to the point, there is no crisis. Republican politicians from states all over the country are claiming there is one and, like Walker, using the supposed emergency to make unprecedented power grabs.

That there is no crisis is a subject for another column. The point here is that Republicans and their corporate masters (<span style='font-size: 17pt'>funny how some rave about Democratic politicians supposedly being in the unions' pockets but are silent about the corporate money that funds the GOP</span>) know that unions represent their only competition in funding election campaigns.

<span style='font-size: 20pt'><u>In the 2010 elections, of the top 10 groups making outside expenditures on campaigns, only three favored Democratic/liberal candidates, and all of those three were unions.</u> Destroy the unions, and you destroy the funding base of the Democratic Party.</span> (You can check this for yourself at OpenSecrets.org).

<span style="color: #990000">When the U.S. Supreme Court handed down its Citizens United decision,<span style='font-size: 14pt'> which removed limits on corporate spending in election campaigns,</span> liberals decried the increase in corporate influence this would bring. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>One common retort was that labor unions also would be allowed unlimited spending. But a year later, the GOP is going after the unions, not just in Wisconsin but in other states, with the apparent aim of giving Republicans a fundraising monopoly.</span></span>

This explains the intransigence, the overheated rhetoric, the Democratic flight, the Republican resort to tricky, if not illegal, parliamentary maneuvering. This is not really a fight over whether public employees should have collective bargaining rights. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>This is a battle over the continued existence of the Democratic Party as a competitive alternative to the Republican Party.

Don't let a distrust of government or a dislike of organized labor blind you to what's really happening here. We have a completely corrupt electoral system in which one of the parties believes it has found a way to kneecap the opposition and gain an effective monopoly. Even if you're a conservative, ask yourself:<span style='font-size: 17pt'> Do you really want a one-party system?</span></span>

Janice M. Eisen of Brookfield is a writer and editor. </div></div>

Q

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The fascist, RW Activist Supreme Court, has been implanted by the Fascist Neocons. The citizens United decision, was clearly their most obvious, major effort, to insure a fascist country.

Every thing Republicans are currently "Up to" is about destroying the Constitution Of The United States Of America, including, The Separation of Church And State, and the Multi Party System, which was clearly intended by our Founding Fathers, and removing all of the Civil Rights, which we have struggled so hard to accomplish, and amended in our constitution.

"When fascism comes, it will come wrapped in the flag, waving the cross."

We're watching the fascists, take over America. They have been blowing up abortion clinics, for decades. Now they are pushing religion into our public schools, destroying Unions, destroying Public Radio, PBS, Acorn, Planned Parenthood, which saves many poor women's lives, every year, passing legislation to disenfranchise the poor, from opportunities to vote, and removing opportunities for workers to organize, and vote between themselves, on whether or not they want a Union shop.

Republicans have done not one single thing, to create jobs, since they took the majority in the Congress, and their history, now, is that their policies, which destroyed our economy, continue, and they followed up their failed policies, by insisting on more of the same, in order to keep things going as badly as possible, by doing as much as they could to destroy the recovery, all for political purposes, as they told us, their only goal was to make President Obama, a one term president... their true desire is to destroy Democracy.

At this point, I see them as proven fascists, and as I look back all the way to the Nixon/Reagan FUBAR's, McCarthy, and his unAmerican Activities, Freidman's fascist economic policies of creating shock, and poverty, and a fascist government takeover... so even before the Nixon/REagan unAmerican Activities, they had a long history of being anti-Democracy...this has been their goal, all along.

What would the Supreme Court do, if and when a case comes before them, over the recent Republican assault against the rights of our workers to organize into Unions, and how does Walker justify, leaving police and firemen's Unions, untouched, while ONLY destroying the occupational Union, which votes Democratic, in his state?

Clearly, we are seeing an unAmerican, overreach of power, and obstacle to continuing our human rights.

They are expanding the economic chasm between the unprecedented wealth, of our wealthy, and everyone else, which is proof that<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Republicans have been building a fascist state, steadily, since the corrupt McCarthy, Nixon, Reagan Eras.

An interesting note, quite coincidental, about failed Republican policies, ala Reagan, there was NO ONE in the TOWER, to direct Air Traffic, yesterday, at Reagan National....only one, and he was asleep...

Thanks, Ronnie!</span>

pooltchr
03-24-2011, 06:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Republicans have done not one single thing, to create jobs, since they got into the majority in the Congress, </div></div>

Let's see. The Republicans have held the majority in one half of Congress for two months, while the Dems still hold the Senate and the White House, and you are crying about how they haven't done anything to your liking in those two months.

Your team had total control for TWO FREAKING YEARS, and didn't get anything done, and all we heard from you was that Obama hadn't had enough time!

What a piece of work!

Steve

LWW
03-24-2011, 07:38 AM
Four years they held congress ... and, sadly, they did plenty.

LWW
03-24-2011, 08:04 AM
Oddly neither of them had any issues during the auto bailouts when the regime voided US bankruptcy law, stole franchise territories from GM/Chrysler dealers who had a history of backing R candidates and gave those territories to democrook cronies.

Soflasnapper
03-27-2011, 03:18 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oddly neither of them had any issues during the auto bailouts when the regime voided US bankruptcy law, stole franchise territories from GM/Chrysler dealers who had a history of backing R candidates and gave those territories to democrook cronies. </div></div>

I don't think either of those claims are correct.

The bondholders VOTED as to whether to swap their claims from holding bonds into shares of the company-- when they first voted NO, the company sweetened the offering, and then over half of them voted YES. Had they still voted no, the deal wouldn't have been done, and the company would have gone the normal route into bankruptcy, including how the bondholders would be treated.

The bondholders (or those holding the majority of those bond obligations) knew that even being in first place to claim company assets in bankruptcy would not make them whole, and it was their considered opinion that they'd do better with the equity swap for those bonds down the road than taking probably 10 cents on the dollar for the bonds.

As for the latter claim about dealerships, that is just false.

pooltchr
03-28-2011, 05:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
As for the latter claim about dealerships, that is just false. </div></div>

Having some friends who work(ed) in the new car business, some as dealership owners, I can tell you that it did happen. Dealership profitability was not the overall deciding factor in which dealerships stayed and which ones were gone.
Many of these people who were incredibly loyal to GM, will now not even own their products. There is a lot of bitterness over the way the whole reorganization was handled.

Steve