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LWW
03-24-2011, 03:09 PM
Recently someone who arrogantly believes they have a serious grasp of our history posted this:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #990000"> FYI! Not all of our Founding Fathers, were Judeo-Christians.

Additionally, we have a policy of Separation Of Church And State, in this country.

Intelligent Design, is not a Science, and has no place, in a Science Class. </span>


to do otherwise is to deny our history</div></div>

And, now, the myth must shed it's life's blood on the sharp blade of truth:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The three major foundational documents of the United States of America are the Declaration of Independence (July 1776), the Articles of Confederation (drafted 1777, ratified 1781) and the Constitution of the United States of America (1789). There are a total of 143 signatures on these documents, representing 118 different signers. (Some individuals signed more than one document.)

There were 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence. There were 48 signers of the Articles of Confederation. All 55 delegates who participated in the Constitutional Convention of 1787 are regarded as Founding Fathers, in fact, they are often regarded as the Founding Fathers because it is this group that actually debated, drafted and signed the U.S. Constitution, which is the basis for the country's political and legal system. Only 39 delegates actually signed the document, however, meaning there were 16 non-signing delegates - individuals who were Constitutional Convention delegates but were not signers of the Constitution.

There were 95 Senators and Representatives in the First Federal Congress. If one combines the total number of signatures on the Declaration, the Articles of Confederation and the Constitution with the non-signing Constitutional Convention delegates, and then adds to that sum the number of congressmen in the First Federal Congress, one obtains a total of 238 "slots" or "positions" in these groups which one can classify as "Founding Fathers" of the United States. Because 40 individuals had multiple roles (they signed multiple documents and/or also served in the First Federal Congress),<span style='font-size: 14pt'> there are 204 unique individuals in this group of "Founding Fathers." These are the people who did one or more of the following</span>:

- signed the Declaration of Independence
- signed the Articles of Confederation
- attended the Constitutional Convention of 1787
- signed the Constitution of the United States of America
- served as Senators in the First Federal Congress (1789-1791)
- served as U.S. Representatives in the First Federal Congress

<u><span style='font-size: 14pt'>Religious Affiliationof U.S. Founding Fathers</span></u>

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Episcopalian/Anglican 88 54.7%
Presbyterian 30 18.6%
Congregationalist 27 16.8%
Quaker 7 4.3%
Dutch Reformed/
German Reformed 6 3.7%
Lutheran 5 3.1%
Catholic 3 1.9%
Huguenot 3 1.9%
Unitarian 3 1.9%
Methodist 2 1.2%
Calvinist 1 0.6%</span>
<span style='font-size: 17pt'>TOTAL 204 100.0%</span></div></div>

Anyone who believes that all of the founders weren't Judeo-Christians has no real knowledge of our founding history.

OH DEAR! (http://www.adherents.com/gov/Founding_Fathers_Religion.html)

LWW
03-24-2011, 03:18 PM
Anyone who believes the founders intended a separation of church and state as the idea is pimped today has zero knowledge of our founding ... and hasn't read Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist which has wrongly been used to push the idea.

The reality is the the founders wanted to avoid exactly what we have now ... the state meddling in religious affairs.

As for Jefferson ... he attended church in the US congress, presided over by state paid clergy.

To deny this reality is simply an act confirming one's ignorance on the topic.

pooltchr
03-24-2011, 03:32 PM
It's not that they don't know this.
They just don't care, and it's easier for their agenda to simply deny it.

Steve

Qtec
03-24-2011, 03:32 PM
Fighting windmills.

Q

wolfdancer
03-24-2011, 03:34 PM
is that anything like slaying Dragons?
XXX (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBcASC9VqzY&feature=player_detailpage)

JohnnyD
03-24-2011, 03:36 PM
It's like finding the truth.The truth will set you free.You cannot hide from the truth.

WHY LIE? WHY?

LWW
03-24-2011, 03:45 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's not that they don't know this.
They just don't care, and it's easier for their agenda to simply deny it.

Steve </div></div>

I don't think they do.

They are so enamored with their false messiah that logic has left them.

Soflasnapper
03-24-2011, 05:24 PM
None of these men were Judeo-Christians, because there is no such thing. And there is no OTHER kind of Christianity with which to contrast THIS supposed variant of Christianity.

Now, these 'myths' which are long-standing (and basically true) only exist because of Obama and his acolytes? Er, then why were they widely believed for generations before O was on the scene?

Exactly who were the Founding Fathers is a matter of some dispute. Presumably Thomas Paine should make the list despite not being in the groups claimed to represent all the Founding Fathers, and he was an open atheist (and socialist-- don't tell Beck, his head would explode).

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Lambert (2003) has examined the religious affiliations and beliefs of the Founders. Some of the 1787 delegates had no affiliation. [...] Some of the more prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical or vocal about their opposition to organized religion, such as Thomas Jefferson[12][13] (who created the "Jefferson Bible"), and Benjamin Franklin.[14] [...] Several of the Founding Fathers considered themselves to be deists or held beliefs very similar to those of deists.[15] (from Wiki)</div></div>

So, were ALL the FFs <s>Judeo-</s>Christians? No, even if most were.

wolfdancer
03-24-2011, 06:28 PM
I am replying, without bothering to read your posts, but, just from the heading......many of us are still searching for a "calling",and you seem to have found yours....congrats!!
The title did remind me somewhat of this old Jack Webb parody:
XXX (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBcASC9VqzY&feature=player_detailpage)

JohnnyD
03-24-2011, 06:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am replying, without bothering to read your posts, but, just from the heading......many of us are still searching for a "calling",and you seem to have found yours....congrats!!
The title did remind me somewhat of this old Jack Webb parody:
XXX (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBcASC9VqzY&feature=player_detailpage)
</div></div>Back to TOTAL IGNORE.