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LWW
03-26-2011, 05:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Under fire for an operation that allowed smuggling of U.S. weapons across the nation’s border with Mexico, President Obama said in an interview that neither he nor Attorney General Eric Holder authorized the controversial “Operation Fast and Furious.” </div></div>

This is where the cabal, who insisted that <span style='font-size: 11pt'>B-B-B-BOOOOSH!!!!</span> was personally responsible if someone received an overcooked hot dog at Yosemite, explains that nobody in the regime could possibly be expected to know about a federally ran operation.

Either these were rogues operating alone, which the data so far suggests isn't true, or the regime is covering their collectivist arses with a lie.

OH DEAR! (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/texas-on-the-potomac/2011/03/obama-says-he-didnt-inform-mexico-of-u-s-gun-smuggling-operation-because-he-didnt-know-about-it/)

pooltchr
03-26-2011, 06:50 AM
Wasn't it Truman who said, and rightly so, "The buck stops here"?

Steve

Soflasnapper
03-26-2011, 03:01 PM
Which is why there is now an Inspector General looking into the details.

It is possible that every covert operation or sting operation done by federal officials, from the BATF, the SS or other Treasury agents, the FBI, the US Marshalls, the DEA, the military police, TSA, etc., are all briefed all the way up the chain of command through to the top of the executive branch to the AG and the POTUS, and actually require their personal authorizations after requests for their approval are briefed to them.

However, I think it's rather unlikely, and in any case, it isn't the AG who is in charge of ATF, it's the SecTreasury.

So show me some reason to think the speculative possibility of the first paragraph above is true, or if you'll agree that there is no general rule that this occurs, and may often not occur, and probably mainly does not occur, that nonetheless it was true in this particular case.

I doubt that's the case, and there is no evidence at this time that either the strong version of the claim in the first paragraph, or the weaker version of the immediately prior paragraph, that either of them are true.

LWW
03-26-2011, 03:16 PM
I guess this is "it depends on what your definition of 'IS' is" all over again.

Soflasnapper
03-26-2011, 06:26 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I guess this is "it depends on what your definition of 'IS' is" all over again. </div></div>

No it isn't, although that was an entirely reasonable point when it was stated.

It's a factual question of who was told what when. We have the clear on-the-record statement of the POTUS with regard to his claim of no knowledge let alone authorization, and his same statement with regard to AG Holder. This is either true or not, and the IG will report on his findings in this regard.

Sev
03-26-2011, 06:28 PM
<span style="color: #000000">http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obam...s-into-mexico/

Gun shop owners and whistle-blowing agents with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) recently announced their concerns with a controversial government program which allows the smuggling of U.S. weapons across the nation’s southern border. In response, the Obama administration is now denying having any knowledge of the operation.

Dubbed “Project Gunrunner,” the ATF says the mission is designed to “deny firearms, the ‘tools of the trade,’ to criminal organizations in Mexico and along the border.” But the operation‘s critics say it’s doing exactly the opposite, allegedly facilitating the delivery of thousands of guns into criminal hands.

CBS News broke the initial story last month.

In late 2009, ATF was alerted to suspicious buys at seven gun shops in the Phoenix area. Suspicious because the buyers paid cash, sometimes brought in paper bags. And they purchased classic “weapons of choice” used by Mexican drug traffickers – semi-automatic versions of military type rifles and pistols. Sources tell CBS News several gun shops wanted to stop the questionable sales, but ATF encouraged them to continue.

So-called “suspicious buyers” purchasing huge quantities of weapons for “personal use” were logged into an ATF suspect database over the following year. Most all of the weapons were allowed to “walk” so ATF could gather intelligence and see where the guns eventually ended up. Unfortunately for many, the guns often ended up at crime scenes along with dead bodies.

One agent called the strategy “insane.” Another said: “We were fully aware the guns would probably be moved across the border to drug cartels where they could be used to kill.”

On the phone, one Project Gunrunner source (who didn’t want to be identified) told us just how many guns flooded the black market under ATF’s watchful eye. “The numbers are over 2,500 on that case by the way. That’s how many guns were sold – including some 50-calibers they let walk.”

50-caliber weapons are fearsome. For months, ATF agents followed 50-caliber Barrett rifles and other guns believed headed for the Mexican border, but were ordered to let them go. One distraught agent was often overheard on ATF radios begging and pleading to be allowed to intercept transports. The answer: “Negative. Stand down.”

CBS News has been told at least 11 ATF agents and senior managers voiced fierce opposition to the strategy. “It got ugly…” said one. There was “screaming and yelling” says another. A third warned: “this is crazy, somebody is gonna [get] killed.”

Sources within the ATF told CBS News that dozens of tracked weapons turned up in shootouts with government agents. One unidentified agent reportedly argued with his superior over the controversial and dangerous policy asking, “Are you prepared to go to the funeral of a federal officer killed with one of these guns?” Another agent noted that every time there was a report of shooting near the border, “we would all hold our breath, hoping it wasn‘t one of ’our’ guns.”

When U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was gunned down last December, serial numbers on two assault rifles found at the scene matched weapons the ATF had allowed a “suspicious buyer” to purchase.

A Washington Post investigation last December linked 115 firearms confiscated over the past two years by Mexican authorities to Carter’s Country gun outlets. But the shops’ attorney says the sales were made at the express insistence of the ATF. As a result, a federal grand jury reportedly launched an investigation of the chain.

“Let me tell you something about Carter’s Country. They have been cooperating with ATF from the get go,” says attorney Dick Deguerin who represents Carter’s Country owner, Bill Carter. “They were told to go through with what they considered to be questionable sales. They were told to go through with sales of three or more assault rifles at the same time or five or more 9 millimeter guns at the same time or a young Hispanic male paying in cash. It’s all profiling, but they went through with it… They reported them promptly, either while the transaction was going on or soon thereafter. They did this for months and months and months. Went through with the sales because the ATF told them to go through with the sales,” he added.

According to Deguerin, the ATF asked Carter’s Country employees to follow some customers into the parking lot after completed sales to record license plate numbers. “If the ATF had used the information that Carter’s Country developed for them they could have stopped these guns from going across the border,” he insisted.

A spokesperson for ATF would neither confirm nor deny the co-operation agreement with Carter’s Country, but told the local Houston Fox affiliate, “I don’t think we would issue a blanket directive.” In the meantime, Deguerin says his client — the gun shop owners — are feeling unjustly vilified.

Now under increasing fire for the controversial operation, the Obama administration is denying having authorized the mission. During an interview with Univision this week, President Obama said neither he nor Attorney General Eric Holder knew of the operation, now called “Operation Fast and Furious.”

Responding to reports that the Mexican government has complained that it told about the U.S. operation that allowed guns to illegally cross the international border, Obama said he didn’t inform Mexican President Felipe Calderon because he — the president of the United States — wasn’t informed either.

Ditching the old presidential moniker “The Buck Stops Here,” Obama responded that the U.S. government “a pretty big government” with “a lot of moving parts”:

Although Attorney General Holder denies having authorized the controversial program, the Inspector General‘s investigation into the program began after the smuggled weapons were found at the scene of Agent Brian Terry’s murder. Since then, at least one gun smuggled from the U.S. was used to kill Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Agent Jamie Zapata, but it has not been determined if it was part of “Fast and Furious.”

“Letting guns ‘walk’ is not something that is acceptable,” Holder told a Senate Appropriations Subcommittee hearing this week. “Guns are different than drugs or money when we are trying to follow their trail. That is not acceptable.”

The death of Agent Zapata also raised questions about the safety of American agents operating south of the border. According to reports at the time, Zapata and his colleague were pinned down by known drug smugglers, but were unable to retaliate because U.S. agents are not allowed to carry firearms on Mexican soil. If the ATF is indeed allowing Americans guns to be smuggled into Mexico, shouldn’t American agents at least be armed?

Former Arizona governor and acting Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano — who has previously insisted America’s southern border is more secure than ever — has also denied prior knowledge of the “Fast and Furious” operation:

The Obama administration has previously blamed U.S. guns for Mexican drug violence and called on Congress to enact new more strict gun control measures. But with reports of ATF agents encouraging American gun retailers to be reckless with their sales, gun advocates worry politicians in Washington may be purposefully inflating the threat of cross-border gun violence to justify new gun regulations.

On Friday, NRA president Wayne LaPierre called into the Glenn Beck radio program to voice his organization’s concerns with the “Fast and Furious” operation and its potential impact on Americans’ right to bear arms:

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/vid...451373/1230933

In contrast, the George Soros-funded Center for American Progress (CAP) is claiming the NRA is using the “Fast and Furious” operation to discredit the ATF:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60QLl...layer_embedded

Congressional calls for investigation into “gun-runner“ operations like ”Fast and Furious” have gone unanswered by the Obama administration.

Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, initiated an investigation into the operations with a letter to the ATF dated Jan. 27, 2011. In it, Grassley notes his concerns about potential “careless” negligence in implementing the strategy.

Grassley then addressed a follow-up letter to Attorney General Holder dated March 3. Despite the DOJ’s insistence that ATF would never “knowingly allow weapons to fall into the hands of criminals, or let firearms ‘walk’ in an operation,” Grassley said mounting evidence supported whistleblower allegations.

In addition, Grassley’s letter stated that ATF agents had been threatened and warned against speaking out against the policy. “If you don’t think this is fun, you’re in the wrong line of work– period!” one ATF supervisor’s email read. “This is the pinnacle of domestic U.S. law enforcement techniques. After this the toolbox is empty. Maybe the Maricopa County Jail is hiring detention officers and you can get paid $30,000 (instead of $100,000) to serve lunch to inmates all day.”

Two weeks later, the same supervisor wrote to senior Justice officials, reiterating his support for the controversial strategy, but noting that increasing levels of violence demanded more urgent action:

Our subjects purchased 359 firearms during the month of March alone, to include numerous Barrett .50 caliber rifles. I believe we are righteous in our plan to dismantle this entire organization and to rush in to arrest any one person without taking in to [sic] account the entire scope of the conspiracy would be ill advised to the overall good of the mission.

“Dismantling the Mexican drug cartels is a worthy goal. However, asking cooperating gun dealers to arm cartels and bandits without control of the weapons or knowledge of their whereabouts is an extremely risky strategy,” Grassley wrote. “These documents establish that ATF allowed illegal firearm purchases by suspected traffickers in hopes of making a larger case against the cartels. ATF was not alone. The U.S. Attorney”s office appears to have been fully aware and engaged in endorsing the same strategy. Congress needs to get to the bottom of this.”

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., is also reportedly pursuing answers and has assembled his own investigatory team. In a letter addressed to Kenneth Melson, acting director of the ATF, Issa urged decisive action to “assuage the public’s deep suspicions.”

“Recent media reports have raised grave questions about your department’s handling of operations involving gun trafficking in Mexico,” the letter begins. “In the aftermath of the tragic killing of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agent Jamie Zapata, it is imperative that you act decisively to assuage the public’s deep suspicions that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has a policy permitting – and even encouraging – the movement of guns into Mexico by straw purchasers.”

Keep your head down and admire the shot.

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Qtec
03-27-2011, 03:04 AM
LWW seems to think that Obama <u>IS the Messiah</u>! Surely the Dear Leader/ Dem-God should know <u>everything that's going on everywhere in the USA.</u>

Q..........Bush <u>clearly</u> wasn't the Messiah. He didn't have a clue what was happening <u>anywhere.</u>

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:36 AM
It appears that the left is entering the depression phase of realizing that dear leader might not actually be the messiah.

Past evidence:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3008/2619205229_cc2d84e9c6.jpg

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:36 AM
Past evidence:

http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/Obama/godofallthings.jpg

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:38 AM
Past evidence:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WkA8USJcfPw/SRfcD0D9EEI/AAAAAAAAAPk/st4bPpwdVvs/s400/Obamacampaignposter1.jpg

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:42 AM
From the New York Times:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WkA8USJcfPw/S54_pyUTPjI/AAAAAAAAAnQ/GxYX7PvyKgA/s400/14baker01-articleLarge.jpg

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Obama is, of course, greater than Jesus."

-- Politiken (Danish newspaper) </div></div>

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"We just like to say his name. We are considering taking it as a mantra."

-- Chicago Sun-Times

</div></div>

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"A Lightworker -- An Attuned Being with Powerful Luminosity and High-Vibration Integrity who will actually help usher in a New Way of Being"

-- Mark Morford </div></div>

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."

-- Barack Obama </div></div>

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Does it not feel as if some special hand is guiding Obama on his journey, I mean, as he has said, the utter improbability of it all?"

-- Daily Kos </div></div>

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"He communicates God-like energy..."

-- Steve Davis (Charleston, SC) </div></div>

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Not just an ordinary human being but indeed an Advanced Soul"

-- Commentator @ Chicago Sun Times </div></div>

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"I'll do whatever he says to do. I'll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear."

-- Halle Berry </div></div>

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"He is not operating on the same plane as ordinary politicians. . . . the agent of transformation in an age of revolution, as a figure uniquely qualified to open the door to the 21st century."
-- Gary Hart </div></div>

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"This is bigger than Kennedy. . . . This is the New Testament." | "I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often. No, seriously. It's a dramatic event."

-- Chris Matthews </div></div>

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"We're here to evolve to a higher plane . . . he is an evolved leader . . . [he] has an ear for eloquence and a Tongue dipped in the Unvarnished Truth."

-- Oprah Winfrey </div></div>

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:50 AM
From Reuters:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WkA8USJcfPw/SzrncHl4E4I/AAAAAAAAAh4/nRaVVfm-8zg/s320/610x.jpg

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:50 AM
From the White House:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WkA8USJcfPw/SqHZ-sq_4pI/AAAAAAAAAeg/JuA_A9EKHx0/s400/barack_halo_whitehouse.jpg

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:51 AM
I gotta lotta mo:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WkA8USJcfPw/SaOxU0BjbcI/AAAAAAAAAY0/7Rm6kFtJA0k/s400/obamamessiah.jpg

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:52 AM
I gotta a way lotta mo: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WkA8USJcfPw/SZDo3Lv8D1I/AAAAAAAAAWY/Z1zo_SzAaGs/s400/obama_halo.jpg

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Lord, we have again come to you in prayer, and you have heard our cries from heaven, and you have sent us again from the state called Illinois, a man called Barack to heal our land," </div></div>

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:54 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3078/2584808061_744705012e.jpg

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:55 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3158/2564337609_285ac8b0d4.jpg

LWW
03-27-2011, 05:57 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3092/2557329272_798ee77d9e.jpg

LWW
03-27-2011, 06:01 AM
The O-cult says "OBAMA BE THY NAME" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PDehlPWsdQ&feature=player_embedded)

LWW
03-27-2011, 06:02 AM
Yet another O-cult HYMN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heuHTGDjvqc&feature=player_embedded)

LWW
03-27-2011, 06:07 AM
And now THIS (http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/) has blown up in the face of the Obamanation like a "dolla doob" laced with gunpowder:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_k07pirzBU34/TN1SNNMXnKI/AAAAAAAAGTw/-zuC3PkEt-Q/s1600/ExplodingCigar.jpg

as they awaken to the terror that their messiah is just another politipimp.

Stretch
03-27-2011, 07:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3092/2557329272_798ee77d9e.jpg </div></div>

Great spam job! Is there anyone left alive after LWW sucks all the air out of a room? St.

pooltchr
03-27-2011, 07:49 AM
I think he makes a valid point. The media, and his campaign went overboard to create a God-like image of Obama that was going to be virtually impossible for him to live up to.
That got him elected, but also set him up to fail. People were expecting that the government was going to make their house payments, put a car in every driveway, and create a job for anyone who wanted to work, while making sure those who didn't want to work would be taken care of.
When none of that happened, many of these poor souls who bought into the Hope and Change hype became disillusioned.
I think they made a huge political mistake in not only allowing, but promoting the whole Messiah/Savior image.

Steve

LWW
03-27-2011, 08:05 AM
Don't worry about the cheap shots from the cabal.

They are regime dead enders who will refuse to see that their messiah was a fake ... much as there are people who daily stand in long lines to visit Lenin's tomb 87 years after his death. The Soviet regime spent a vast fortune re-embalming and treating the corpse to make it appear as if he were merely asleep.

Similarly, millions of the cult of Mao have visited his crystal coffin ... and Ho Chi Minh's body is kept in a cooled public mausoleum copied after Lenin's.

Stretch
03-27-2011, 08:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think he makes a valid point. The media, and his campaign went overboard to create a God-like image of Obama that was going to be virtually impossible for him to live up to.
That got him elected, but also set him up to fail. People were expecting that the government was going to make their house payments, put a car in every driveway, and create a job for anyone who wanted to work, while making sure those who didn't want to work would be taken care of.
When none of that happened, many of these poor souls who bought into the Hope and Change hype became disillusioned.
I think they made a huge political mistake in not only allowing, but promoting the whole Messiah/Savior image.

Steve </div></div>

The fact is it's going to take at least 10 years to see a noticable change in anyones way of life....unless you're already rich enough to hide your wealth in off shore accounts and live in gated communities. It all depends on which side of the mountain you want to climb. In the mean time, a good start would be to completely retool the political system that breeds one usesless talking head after another. Your hate for the far side climbers is playing into the hands of the real power brokers who run the country useing puppet politicians against the people while they go about their buisness of accumulating everyones hard (and getting harder by the day)earned dollar. St.

pooltchr
03-27-2011, 09:39 AM
That's where you are wrong. I do not hate the left. I believe that their idology is damaging to our country.
I also think that some of the policies of the extreme right are not in the best interest of the country.
In fact, I believe that the Republican and Democrat parties do more damage than good. I would love to see both parties just go away, and force the public to examine and vote for individuals, rather than blindly voting for one party or the other. To my way of thinking, fanatical party support is a sign of real ignorance. Anyone who would base their voting decisions on which letter follows a candidate's name is a fool.

Steve

Sev
03-27-2011, 10:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think he makes a valid point. The media, and his campaign went overboard to create a God-like image of Obama that was going to be virtually impossible for him to live up to.
That got him elected, but also set him up to fail. People were expecting that the government was going to make their house payments, put a car in every driveway, and create a job for anyone who wanted to work, while making sure those who didn't want to work would be taken care of.
When none of that happened, many of these poor souls who bought into the Hope and Change hype became disillusioned.
I think they made a huge political mistake in not only allowing, but promoting the whole Messiah/Savior image.

Steve </div></div>

The fact is it's going to take at least 10 years to see a noticable change in anyones way of life....unless you're already rich enough to hide your wealth in off shore accounts and live in gated communities. It all depends on which side of the mountain you want to climb. In the mean time, a good start would be to completely retool the political system that breeds one usesless talking head after another. Your hate for the far side climbers is playing into the hands of the real power brokers who run the country useing puppet politicians against the people while they go about their buisness of accumulating everyones hard (and getting harder by the day)earned dollar. St. </div></div>

Not quite true.
Being in construction when the market plummeted so did my income.
Now if your saying its going to be 10 years before you see any type of real recovery then maybe you are onto something.

Qtec
03-27-2011, 08:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think he makes a valid point. The media, and his campaign went overboard to create <u>a God-like image</u> of Obama that was going to be virtually impossible for him to live up to.
That got him elected, but also set him up to fail. People were expecting that the government was going to make their house payments, put a car in every driveway, and create a job for anyone who wanted to work, while making sure those who didn't want to work would be taken care of.
When none of that happened, many of these poor souls who bought into the Hope and Change hype became disillusioned.
I think they made a huge political mistake in not only allowing, but promoting the whole Messiah/Savior image.

Steve </div></div>

That is the most delusional ill informed post you have made in a long time....well at least this week.

Q

Qtec
03-27-2011, 08:54 PM
he claims to be impartial, that he hates the republicans as much as he hates the Dems. LOL

His HATRED for Obama shines through in every post.

Q

pooltchr
03-28-2011, 06:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
That is the most delusional ill informed post you have made in a long time....well at least this week.

Q </div></div>

The opinion from the king of delusion is noted.

Steve

Soflasnapper
03-28-2011, 08:13 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think he makes a valid point. The media, and his campaign went overboard to create a God-like image of Obama that was going to be virtually impossible for him to live up to.
That got him elected, but also set him up to fail. People were expecting that the government was going to make their house payments, put a car in every driveway, and create a job for anyone who wanted to work, while making sure those who didn't want to work would be taken care of.
When none of that happened, many of these poor souls who bought into the Hope and Change hype became disillusioned.
I think they made a huge political mistake in not only allowing, but promoting the whole Messiah/Savior image.

Steve </div></div>

The fact is it's going to take at least 10 years to see a noticable change in anyones way of life....unless you're already rich enough to hide your wealth in off shore accounts and live in gated communities. It all depends on which side of the mountain you want to climb. In the mean time, a good start would be to completely retool the political system that breeds one usesless talking head after another. Your hate for the far side climbers is playing into the hands of the real power brokers who run the country useing puppet politicians against the people while they go about their buisness of accumulating everyones hard (and getting harder by the day)earned dollar. St. </div></div>

Amen, Stretch.

This country is hosed, and will be for a long while. The issue now isn't how to fix it, but who to blame for the long recession-like slog we're in for.

Hint: it isn't the new guy. Which you knew. But it's sure handy to blame the new guy.

LWW
03-29-2011, 03:40 AM
Then who is it?

pooltchr
03-29-2011, 07:08 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[ The issue now isn't how to fix it, but who to blame for the long recession-like slog we're in for.

</div></div>

I'm sorry, but this is exactly the mentality that will slow our recovery. Pointing fingers is nothing but a political ploy. What we need to do is identify underlying problems, and find solutions to effectively address them.

As long as our politicians (and their supporters) are more worried about who did what, and not what is actually happening, then you are correct....our country <u>is</u> hosed!

Steve

LWW
03-29-2011, 07:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[ The issue now isn't how to fix it, but who to blame for the long recession-like slog we're in for.

</div></div>

I'm sorry, but this is exactly the mentality that will slow our recovery. Pointing fingers is nothing but a political ploy. What we need to do is identify underlying problems, and find solutions to effectively address them.

As long as our politicians (and their supporters) are more worried about who did what, and not what is actually happening, then you are correct....our country <u>is</u> hosed!

Steve </div></div>

What are you, some kind of heretic?

Everyone knows that in cabal logic all problems that have ever existed were the result of one or more of the following:

1 - Capitalism.

2 - Bush.

3 - US Imperialism.

4 - Cheney.

5 - Palin.

6 - Reagan.

7 - Nixon.

8 - Bachman.

9 - Gingrich.

10 - Limbaugh.

11 - Beck.

12 - Thomas.

Those are the dirty dozen.

Please limit your complaints to this list.

Qtec
03-29-2011, 07:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Pointing fingers is nothing but a political ploy.</div></div>

LMFAO.

Its all you do!

Q

Qtec
03-29-2011, 07:23 AM
12/12! Well done. LOL

Q

LWW
03-29-2011, 08:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">12/12! Well done. LOL

Q </div></div>

Don't you feel better now that you have looked in the mirror.

It is these brief moments of lucidity that keep me holding out hope for you.

Soflasnapper
03-29-2011, 04:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[ The issue now isn't how to fix it, but who to blame for the long recession-like slog we're in for.

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I'm sorry, but this is exactly the mentality that will slow our recovery. Pointing fingers is nothing but a political ploy. What we need to do is identify underlying problems, and find solutions to effectively address them.

As long as our politicians (and their supporters) are more worried about who did what, and not what is actually happening, then you are correct....our country <u>is</u> hosed!

Steve </div></div>

I agree with you here, and I want to make sure you understood my meaning.

It's my view that the GOP has offered not even the beginning of any solution to the economy, and has instead wanted to trip up and sabotage O and the Dems, in order to have them be blamed by the people for this (although all the GOP is doing is making it worse).

pooltchr
03-30-2011, 12:09 PM
Please tell me you aren't suggesting that the Dems haven't been guilty of the same thing.
The Dem's plan to fix the economy seems to have been to spend nearly a trillion dollars in "stimulus" that didn't stimulate anything. Oh yeah, they also took over GM, and passed a bill to take over the healthcare insurance industry.
And don't forget they managed to bail out the giant banks that they have been blaming the entire recession on in the first place.

And how much better off is the economy now than it was 3 years ago?

This partisan crap is the source of the blame game. Neither party is innocent, and both parties use the same strategy for their own political preservation. That is all they are concerned about.

Steve

Qtec
03-31-2011, 07:33 AM
Confess.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_k07pirzBU34/TN1SNNMXnKI/AAAAAAAAGTw/-zuC3PkEt-Q/s1600/ExplodingCigar.jpg


This is a self portrait, isn't it.

Q