Proof the cabal's outrage was feigned ...

[LWW]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While torture under the Bush administration was horrible, at least it has stopped. Right?

Wrong. ...

The Center for Constitutional Rights released a report titled "Conditions of Confinement at Guantánamo: Still In Violation of the Law," which found that abuses continued. In fact, one Guantanamo lawyer, Ahmed Ghappour, said that his clients were reporting "a ramping up in abuse" since Obama was elected. </div></div>

And the cabal's silence is deafening. (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13672)

[LWW]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1. Barack Obama did NOT end torture.

Many people think that, upon taking office, Barack Obama ended torture. This is just not true. Under Obama, the U.S has continued to torture prisoners at Guantanamo, where more than 200 detainees are still being held without charge or trial. ...

In fact, conditions at Guantanamo have gotten even worse since Obama became president. "Certainly in my experience there have been many, many more reported incidents of abuse since the inauguration," Ahmed Ghappour, a lawyer representing several Guantanamo detainees, told Reuters in February.1

And, contrary to popular belief and to his own statements, Obama's executive orders do not ban torture either; they contain several loopholes that allow it to continue.

2. Obama's detention program is even more fascist than Bush's program.

During the campaign Obama declared habeas corpus to be "the foundation of Anglo-American law." Habeas corpus is your right to challenge your detention; it's a right that goes back almost 900 years. Its absence marks a tyranny because without it there are no restraints on a government's powers to detain and punish. In March 2008, Obama claimed that: "We ultimately provide anybody that we're detaining an opportunity through habeas corpus to answer to charges."

Obama's actions since assuming office, however, have made a mockery of his campaign rhetoric, to say the least. Even before his major speech on May 21, Obama made clear that he was continuing the fundamental aspects of the Bush Regime's detention program, including: Indefinitely detaining anybody his administration chooses to, without charge or trial; denying habeas corpus to hundreds of prisoners at the Bagram prison in Afghanistan, which is currently undergoing a $60 million expansion; denying habeas corpus to Guantanamo prisoners detained before June 2008; and reinstituting Bush's military commissions. Obama claimed to be "reforming" the military commissions by preventing the admission of evidence gained through torture, limiting hearsay evidence, and allowing detainees to choose which military lawyer would represent them.

3. Barack Obama is covering-up war crimes and crimes against humanity. ...

4. Obama is continuing rendition.

During his confirmation hearing, CIA director Leon Panetta made it clear the Obama administration will continue rendition: "Using renditions, we may very well direct individuals to third countries," Panetta said.</div></div>

Posted here before. (http://newhampshirefreepress.com/node/570)

[Qtec]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While torture under the Bush administration was horrible </div></div>

What torture?

Q

[LWW]

And Snoopy feels obliged to prove my point.

[Qtec]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And Snoopy feels obliged to prove my point. </div></div>

What torture?

Q

[LWW]

Somebody please tell him to stop piling on against his own cause.

He obviously lacks the intelligence to realize that I disbelieved these claims when they were made against Bush and I disbelieve them when made against Obama. That's AKA consistency.

OTOH ... Snoopy has himself tied in intellectual knots trying to figure out how the same sources were paragons of integrity when they accused Bush, but are not reich wing nut job liars.

[Qtec]

What torture?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Many people think that, upon taking office, Barack Obama ended torture. <span style='font-size: 26pt'>This is just not true.</span> Under Obama, <span style='font-size: 26pt'>the U.S has continued to torture prisoners</span> at Guantanamo, </div></div>

You have always claimed no torture took place.

Again, what torture are you talking about?

Don't you know torture is against the law?

What torture?

Q

[LWW]

It appears he is nearing the <span style='font-size: 11pt'>"EL DUBB DUBB'S USE OF THE TRUTH IS GOING TO MAKE MNY HEAD EXPLODE!"</span> phase.

[pooltchr]

Q.

This administration has continued the same policies of the last administration. So it's really simple. There was either torture under both administrations, or there wasn't.

You can't call it one thing one time, and then call it something else when it suits you.

If Bush was wrong for torturing prisoners, Obama is also wrong.
If Obama is handling prisoners properly, then Bush did as well.

This is an either/or proposition. There is no "all of the above" in the question.

Steve

(Note to Larry. You have to dumb it down to his level if you want him to comprehend such "complicated" ideas.)

[LWW]

Yes, I was guilty myself of assuming they cold clear a hurdle that was not already mashed into the intellectual mud for them.

For this, I apologize.