View Full Version : Gitmo Greatly Improved, Under President Obama

Gayle in MD
03-29-2011, 07:49 AM
<span style="color: #660000"><span style='font-size: 14pt'>President Obama manages to make progress, and bring about better treatment, in spite of relentless obstructionism by Republicans!!! </span></span>

Barack Obama lifts ban on Guantánamo Bay trials
President Barack Obama on Monday announced the resumption of military trials at Guantánamo Bay, after being forced to admit defeat in his bid to close the controversial prison and move inmates to the United States mainland.

By Alex Spillius, Washington 9:30PM GMT 07 Mar 2011
The long-expected announcement was an acknowledgement that the detention facility for terror suspects will remain open for the foreseeable future after unsuccessful efforts to try high profile inmates on the United States mainland.

The president reserved the right to try some suspects from Guantánamo in federal prisons, <span style='font-size: 14pt'>but such moves have been repeatedly blocked by members of Congress and are likely to be obstructed again. </span>

It is now probable that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the self-confessed September 11 ringleader, and four other accused plotters, will face a fresh set of charges and a new trial at Guantánamo, after plans to put them on trial in New York met with stiff opposition.

“We remain fully committed to bringing the alleged 9/11 conspirators to justice, drawing on the options we have,” said a senior administration official, though he declined to provide further details.

Mr Obama insisted that military commissions would “ensure that our security and our values are strengthened”.

“The American system of justice is a key part of our arsenal in the war against al-Qaeda and its affiliates,” he said in a statement.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>The White House said key reforms such as a ban on the use of statements taken under “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment”, and a new system for handling classified information would ensure fairer hearings for the three dozen prisoners awaiting prosecution. Under George W Bush commissions were dogged by legal disputes and brought only a handful of convictions. </span>

The decision to lift the two-year ban on new military trials means fresh prosecutions could begin within weeks. The first suspect to be prosecuted from scratch is likely to be Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, the alleged mastermind of the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole.

Al-Nashiri, a Saudi of Yemeni descent, has been imprisoned at Guantánamo since 2006.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Mr Obama came into office in January 2009 promising to shut the prison on the US naval base on Cuba within a year, viewing its secrecy and judicial system as a stain on America’s reputation and a “recruiting tool” for terrorism.

His administration has succeeded in relocating about 60 prisoners overseas. There are 172 detainees left at the prison, which opened in early 2002 and once housed 800 men. </span>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Mr Obama also ruled that detainees would be entitled to a periodic review of the reasons for their continued incarceration. The US authorities have deemed that about 40 inmates are too dangerous to release but cannot be tried for lack of evidence. </span>

About 90 men, the majority from Yemen, have been cleared for return to their home countries, but have been held up by concerns that they will face harm or torture, or that they would join terror groups.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Since 2005, conditions have improved at the prison, though human rights groups have maintained their criticism of the legal apparatus. </span>

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...Bay-trials.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8367294/Barack-Obama-lifts-ban-on-Guantanamo-Bay-trials.html)

<span style='font-size: 11pt'> This from a representative of the World Organization of Human rights, a Litigation Directro, no less. </span>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Interview with Allison Lefrak, Litigation Director for the World Organization for Human Rights.</span>

Recently the Berliner Zeitung reported that Guantanamo prisoners were subject to medical experiments citing a former prisoner’s name Murat Kurnaz. Have you heard anything about this? How could this actually have happened?
I have heard about this, and I am familiar with Murat Kurnaz’ case. I personally have represented three detainees and none of them described any type of medical experimentations, they definitely described insufficient medical treatment; so based on my clients, I do not have any further details on that.

<span style="color: #660000">What is the latest on the situation in Guantanamo? Have there been any improvements?</span>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>I was just down there visiting last remaining client, who is the last Russian in Guantanamo. The conditions where he is being held in Guantanamo have improved dramatically since we first started to represent him 5 years ago, specifically he is now in a camp where there are more opportunities for communicating with other detainees, and there is access to TV at certain times, and radio; in that sense conditions for him have improved dramatically. Definitely they have improved since Obama is in office. </span>

<span style="color: #990000">Does Guantanamo conform to general US prison standards, does it lapse in some way, and if so, please elaborate on in which way?</span>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>I do think they are making efforts to conform to present standards here in the United States. I think there are still many ways in which it is inefficient; phone calls home are rare and sporadic. The fact that they are actually allowed to talk with their families on phone is a recent development as well.</span>
<span style="color: #660000">To what extent is the situation in Guantanamo currently open to be monitored by human rights organizations, by lawyers, by relatives of detainees?</span>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>The Red Cross is permitted in and has done inspections. There was also a very good way for detainees to talk about conditions, and they are able to try to get improvements where needed. </span>

http://www.pashtunforums.com/political-t...eriments-14772/ (http://www.pashtunforums.com/political-talk-11/guantanamo-prisoners-were-subject-medical-experiments-14772/)

03-29-2011, 07:56 AM
Do you really not understand the legal system at all?

If we were to bring terrorists to trial in federal courts in the us, the rules of evidence would restrict the ability to make a case. If the poor terrorists weren't read Miranda on the battle field, or if our soldiers were required to get a search warrent before raiding a terrorist compound, we would effectively be tying the hands of the prosecuters.

Why would you even consider supporting something like that?


03-29-2011, 07:57 AM
Isn't it astounding that Gee expects people to believe she never reads my posts ... yet incessantly starts shadow thread, supported by moonbat crazy leftist babble, right behind me?

03-29-2011, 07:58 AM
I knew you still cared dear heart.