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Gayle in MD
04-02-2011, 05:46 AM
01 April 2011 1:30 pm by Taylor Marsh
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Many cops and firefighters have thrown their allegiance to the GOP for years — union members who frequently stray from labor’s longtime support for Democrats. A host of new Republican governors is changing all that. [...] Chuck Canterbury, the national president of the Fraternal Order of Police, said his members are “shocked” by the turn of events. “Who are these evil teachers who teach your children, these evil policemen who protect them, these evil firemen who pull them from burning buildings? When did we all become evil?” said Canterbury, whose union endorsed Bush in 2000 and 2004 and John McCain in 2008. – Politico



The midterm elections were a rout. But voters weren’t giving a mandate to Republicans to come after collective bargaining rights or to weaken the unions that protect cops and firefighters. A massive overreach on their mandate is threatening Republicans for 2012 even more than their lousy presidential candidates.

Gallup also finds that people back unions over the marauding governors, 48% to 39%.

This is not rocket science. When you attack the main vein of how the middle class stays the middle class this was very predictable, especially when you have CEO pay exploding. From USA Today:

The heads of the nation’s top companies got the biggest raises in recent memory last year after taking a hiatus during the recession. At a time most employees can barely remember their last substantial raise, median CEO pay jumped 27% in 2010 as the executives’ compensation started working its way back to prerecession levels…

Add to this Donald Trump’s birther front man show and you’ve got a real circus on the Right.

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http://www.taylormarsh.com/2011/04/01/union-busting-backfires-cops-firefighters-turning-on-gop/

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">UPDATE: LiberalJoe makes an excellent point in the comments that Politico forgot, which I hadn’t considered either:

Many Police officers/Law Enforcement, Firefighters/EMT’s, and building trades folks are married to, or have relatives who are, teachers, nurses, and other unions under attack by the GOP. The GOP in all their studidity, and desire to crush unions and the Dems forgot that simple truth. The GOP was attacking spouses, brothers /sisters. parents, relatives, and probably neighbors. When you start doing that to loved ones , family differences in political leanings are thrown out the window. You protect and fight for your own.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By ROBERT KUTTNER | 4/1/11 4:46 AM EDT
An unexpected effect of the war on unions by several Republican governors has been a sympathy backlash among voters.

By ratios of about two to one, respondents told pollsters that public-sector workers should not lose their rights to unionize. A slightly smaller majority didn’t want government employees to suffer cuts in wages or benefits, according to both Gallup/USA Today and New York Times/CBS polls.


Seldom heard words, such as “collective bargaining,” began showing up on network newscasts. People who hadn’t thought much about unions, or didn’t think about them at all, evidently liked what they heard.

All this reflects the emergence of a long-simmering issue: the anxiety of the middle class.

With neither party offering a believable story of what caused the economy to crash or a plan to rebuild the security of the middle class, the labor movement is one of the few sources of a coherent opposition story and compelling program of reinvestment and restored wages.

Meanwhile, in the Washington echo chamber, both Democrats and Republicans are behaving as though the biggest economic issue is the budget deficit. But out in America, people are more worried about losing their jobs. New York Times/CBS polls show that 43 percent of respondents put jobs as the top concern, compared with only 14 percent who cited deficits. Citizens know better than elites that austerity won’t bring recovery.

In Wisconsin, the GOP script called for regular people to be outraged that nurses, teachers, firefighters and cops still had decent pensions and jobs — when other citizens were losing theirs. But voters identified more with their neighbors who happened to work for the government than with the GOP governors. Indeed, Republican Govs. Scott Walker in Wisconsin, John Kasich in Ohio and Mitch Daniels in Indiana have all suffered in the polls.

Somehow, in the aftermath of an economic collapse created on Wall Street, it strained credulity to believe that the budget crises were mainly the fault of ordinary workers. People know that huge paydays have returned for investment bankers, while Main Street remains in the doldrums.

This assault on unions has tapped into the latent politics of class in America.


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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The secure middle class of the postwar era was built by activist government. It was government that sponsored social insurance, devised regulations to keep Wall Street from crashing the economy, provided educational opportunities to the nonrich and facilitated collective bargaining.

The labor movement was an anchor of this social compact. But as that model of broad prosperity came under assault, beginning in the 1970s, incomes at the top soared while those of the anxious middle class stagnated. It is hard to imagine restoring that prosperity without a stronger union movement.

Today, just 7 percent of private-sector workers belong to unions. But as the middle class becomes increasingly vulnerable, more Americans are remembering that unions “stick up for the little guy” — and gal.

Public workers are newly under attack. But there is fresh organizing among low-wage retail workers at places such as Wal-Mart and in occupations like janitor, hotel and restaurant worker and security guard, as well as middle-class occupations such as nursing.

The United Auto Workers, which was a genuine partner in the retooling of the U.S. auto industry, is launching a fresh campaign under its new president, Bob King, to organize foreign-owned U.S. auto plants. The United Steelworkers has helped domestic steel companies rebuild as a leaner and more competitive industry. The pending merger of AT&T and T-Mobile is likely to create a larger pool of unionized telephone workers. Unions have also been leaders of the effort to reregulate Wall Street.

Republicans may ultimately find that it was a strategic blunder to demonize unions. As more of the middle class feels the economic vulnerabilities of the working class, Americans are giving unions a second look.

Robert Kuttner is co-editor of The American Prospect.

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Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52323_Page2.html#ixzz1IMfLn9Gw




<span style="color: #990000"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>While Republicans on the Hill, continue their attack, against Unions, IOW, against the suffering Middle Class, for the benefit of the wealthy, like always, and the Tea Party gets a RW Media label of a "Tea Party Rally" when only several dozen show up, LMAO!


This is going to be good! Fun to watch, and great for the country, and the Democratic Party.</span> </span>

cushioncrawler
04-02-2011, 05:04 PM
If unions die i will be happy. And the dems will be very happy, koz the dems will bekum the union, then the dems will rule for ever.
This iz az it shood be, worker's and their workplaces are too important to be looked after by krummy unions.
mac.

ugotda7
04-02-2011, 05:22 PM
PO...............?

JohnnyD
04-02-2011, 06:39 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If unions die i will be happy. And the dems will be very happy, koz the dems will bekum the union, then the dems will rule for ever.
This iz az it shood be, worker's and their workplaces are too important to be looked after by krummy unions.
mac. </div></div>
If that happens maybe they can bring the wooden paddlewheeler back.

JohnnyD
04-02-2011, 06:47 PM
gail why are you nutz?

SHALOM.

Gayle in MD
04-03-2011, 07:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If unions die i will be happy. And the dems will be very happy, koz the dems will bekum the union, then the dems will rule for ever.
This iz az it shood be, worker's and their workplaces are too important to be looked after by krummy unions.
mac. </div></div>


Mac,
If Americans lose the right to form workers unions, there will be no workers rights, at all.

Republicans are trying to destroy Unions, so that the American Workers, won't have any power at all, against the corporations which put their workers at risk, drive down their wages, and to destroy the only appreciable representation in elections, of those workers, who vote Democratic.

Given the fascist RW, activist Supreme Court's decision, giving multinational Unions the right to spend as much of their multi billions without any check, or daylight, in order to buy all of the corrupt republicans they wish to buy, those whom they have in their back pockets, this country becomes a fascist nation, operated by the collusion between government, and corporate power. Not only does that give the right the power to turn American workers into slaves, with no recourse, but it destroys the rights, of American workers, to have any say in their treatment, or the devastating pollution, which corporations are spreading around the world, poisons, in our air, water, food, and medicine.

G.

Under
04-04-2011, 03:51 PM
Your statement is too inclusive. Is it that way in the talking points? Or are they from your favorite reader of the news?

Conservatives are trying to limit Government Employee Unions out of control benefits. Certainly there are more unions than Government Employee unions. As I pay for government employee unions and have an option not to pay a private for profit employee union, there is a difference. One I pay without a say, the second I only pay if I choose to utilize the private company product. So to use an inclusive term implying that the GOP is out to terminate all unions is simply a fallacy and fabrication.

I recommend some remedial reading on the difference, if the above is not understood.

llotter
04-04-2011, 07:21 PM
I don't think Americans favor unionism and i would question a poll that showed otherwise. It is obvious to most people that unions have caused the ruin in industry after industry, company after company. It is doubly obvious that unions are driving the public sector into bankruptcy so while there are certainly union members that are organized to protect their pay and benefits, they still only represent a small minority of the public. We should all hope the public isn't so dumb as to continue blind support of the union/commie terrorists in our midst.

Soflasnapper
04-04-2011, 08:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ugotda7</div><div class="ubbcode-body">PO...............? </div></div>

I know! 'Box'!!!

Gayle in MD
04-04-2011, 11:06 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't think Americans favor unionism and i would question a poll that showed otherwise.

<span style="color: #990000">You are quite wrong about that. All of the polls show that Americans support workers rights to organize, negotiate, and unionize.</span>

It is obvious to most people that unions have caused the ruin in industry after industry, company after company.

<span style="color: #990000"> Again, that is opinion, based on your slanted views. Not fact.</span>


It is doubly obvious that unions are driving the public sector into bankruptcy

<span style="color: #660000"> LOL, but the huge decline in tax rates, massive corporate loopholes, hidden corporate money, and resulting loss of revenue, has nothing to do with it?

The higher costs of everything, due to the energy crisis, has nothing to do with it?





The unAmerican, for profit only, corporate fascists who outsource our jobs, to slave labor overseas, has nothing to do with it?

Unsustainable health and insurance costs, and unprofessional predatory business practices, among banks, and on Wall St., nothing to do with it???

The UNIONS are bankrupting Americam huh?

BWA HA HA HA....

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so while there are certainly union members that are organized to protect their pay and benefits, they still only represent a small minority of the public.


<span style="color: #990000">So what? Are Billionaires, a small minority of the public? </span>


We should all hope the public isn't so dumb as to continue blind support of the union/commie terrorists in our midst. </div></div>

<span style="color: #660000">Nice way to talk and think about your fellow Americans and the Middle Class workers and neighbors in your community. </span>

llotter
04-05-2011, 03:42 AM
Ok, maybe the language was a little strong but there is no denying the connection between unionism and communism. My contention is that as money and power and control have gravitated to the State over many decades, greatness of capitalism and freedom have suffered. Now, in many instances, business lobbies the State to increase their profit instead working to satisfying their customers.

This process has been slowing turning us a toward the status of a third world country where a few at the top, with political pull, control the wealth and the best jobs for the 'workers' are working in the bureaucracy. Today more than half of our citizens receive a significant portion of their income from the almighty State. The dynamism that made us the most wealthy country in the world is being stifled by those who are gaming the system.

LWW
04-05-2011, 04:43 AM
Unionism was a basic principle of the Communist Manifesto.

Gayle in MD
04-05-2011, 05:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, maybe the language was a little strong but there is no denying the connection between unionism and communism. My contention is that as money and power and control have gravitated to the State over many decades, greatness of capitalism and freedom have suffered. Now, in many instances, business lobbies the State to increase their profit instead working to satisfying their customers.

This process has been slowing turning us a toward the status of a third world country where a few at the top, with political pull, control the wealth and the best jobs for the 'workers' are working in the bureaucracy. Today more than half of our citizens receive a significant portion of their income from the almighty State. The dynamism that made us the most wealthy country in the world is being stifled by those who are gaming the system. </div></div>
Thanks, you just described what the Neocons have done to this country.

There is no connection between communism, and Unions. In fact, Unions are the first thing that Communists, and Fascists do away with.

It's actually part of the Neocon, Freidman, Reagan, Thatcher, Bush, Bush fascist Shock Doctrine.


You need to watch the thoroughly documented, documentary, "the Shock Doctrine" and you'll understand where Republicans are taking this country. They've turned it into a fascist nation, owned and operated by the very Corporations, which Republicans insist on subsidizing, to the demise of the average American workers, the Middle Class, without which, no country can succeed.

You complain about the many jobless, when most of them lost their jobs under Republican policies....no oversight, and no regulations on corruption.

G.

Qtec
04-05-2011, 06:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Conservatives are trying to limit Government Employee Unions <u>out of control benefits.</u></div></div>

Explain.

Q

LWW
04-05-2011, 08:07 AM
The states are bankrupt.