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Sev
04-05-2011, 09:23 AM
http://www.fastcompany.com/1744123/embar...dirtiness-of-th (http://www.fastcompany.com/1744123/embargo-until-arpil-5-at-6-am-et-silicon-valley-toxics-coalition-reveals-the-dirtiness-of-th)

<span style="color: #000000">Solar energy is sustainable, sure. But what about making a solar panel? It's an oft-overlooked aspect of an industry that is given a green halo because of what it contributes to our renewable energy future. http://svtc.org/ The Silicon Valley Toxics Coalition, an organization dedicated to e-waste advocacy work, explores the dirtier side of solar in its 2011 Solar Scorecard, http://solarscorecard.com/ which rates solar providers on whether their solar panels come from sources as clean as the energy they produce.

The scorecard, http://www.fastcompany.com/1595070/silicon-valley-toxics-coalition-releases-solar-company-scorecard now in its second year, received responses from 46% of the PV industry market, most of whom score well (the scorecard gives companies a 1 to 100 rating) on factors like disclosure, supply chain monitoring, green jobs (work environments where employees aren't exposed to toxic chemicals), and recycling. An impressive 70% of respondents say they would support mandatory recycling, and major companies like First Solar (score: 87), Trina Solar (score:89), and Abound Solar (score: 87) appear to be models for the industry.

But therein lies the problem. It's easier for large companies to maintain sustainable supply chains because they have the resources to do it. The smaller companies are just struggling to turn a profit. "Smaller companies working on sustainability early need to be applauded. They are unusual in their efforts as startups," says Sheila Davis, executive director of SVTC.

Even the most sustainable companies have some work to do. Only two of the solar companies listed on the scorecard--Sunpower (score: 85) and AXITEC (score: 64)--have managed to eliminate toxic cadmium and lead from their supply chains. And there is no green supply chain standard for the industry (the electronics industry has a code of conduct, and the auto industry offers common training for its suppliers). "Companies are doing things on their own, but there are not any across the board standard that they are following in a lot of areas, especially in chemical use and supply chain management," explains Davis.

But perhaps the most troubling aspect of the industry is that we have no comprehensive way to tell how poorly the majority of solar companies are managing their supply chains. Only 46% of the solar market responded to the SVTC's scorecard request, so what are all the other companies doing? If they didn't respond, they probably don't want us to know.</span>

LWW
04-05-2011, 10:16 AM
As I've said ... the Goremons would only support solar power as long as was totally unfeasible.

Now that it is something resembling competitiveness in the market ... they are coming out of the woodwork to oppose it.

eg8r
04-05-2011, 01:30 PM
A while back there was a study on the web that showed the making of a Prius was more detrimental to the earth than driving a Hummer for 100s of thousands of miles.

eg8r

Sev
04-05-2011, 01:33 PM
Bases on all the pollutants created in making the cars thats true. Especially the batteries.

My Aunt just replace a 2,500 dollar battery in her hybrid. It was only a couple years old.

LWW
04-05-2011, 05:11 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A while back there was a study on the web that showed the making of a Prius was more detrimental to the earth than driving a Hummer for 100s of thousands of miles.

eg8r </div></div>

How true, and evidence of the danger of focusing on a single number in an equation, in this case tailpipe emissions.

Something else, no matter how bad your mileage is ... buying a new car will cause more net harm than continuing to drive an older but already built car in almost every case.

Sev
04-06-2011, 07:17 AM
One car in. One car out.

cushioncrawler
04-06-2011, 05:22 PM
I wouldnt be surprized if making a hummer woz more detrimental than driving a prius 1000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 miles.
mac.

But the whole of life thing iz the thing.
Which reminds me that power generation and the power grid iz something like 2% efficient (but this figure might be wrong).
mac.

Sev
04-06-2011, 08:44 PM
Its the batteries that are the killer. Besides Hybrids burn gas as well.

LWW
04-07-2011, 02:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its the batteries that are the killer. Besides Hybrids burn gas as well. </div></div>

Have you ever seen the South Park episode where everyone in town bought a hybrid?

Sev
04-07-2011, 07:14 AM
No.

My aunt just replaced her battery in her hybrid.
I remember posting a thread about the batteries failing in areas such as the NE because of the freezing weather.

LWW
04-07-2011, 07:31 AM
Hilarious.

To avoid legal actions, they used an obvious Prius in the cartoon and called it the "PIOUS" ... and everyone who bought one would at parties pause for a moment, stick their head between their legs and pass gas while inhaling deeply, and then explain how great they were to the heathens.