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Gayle in MD
04-06-2011, 11:47 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/06/polls-public-wants-compro_n_845398.html

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Speaker John Boehner is warning his Republican colleagues that Democrats would “win” a government shutdown and the GOP would suffer a political catastrophe if the federal government runs out of money at the end of this week.

“The Democrats think they benefit from a government shutdown. I agree,” Boehner said during a closed-door, 90-minute meeting on House Republicans on Monday night, according to several lawmakers who attended the session.</span>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Boehner’s opinion was quickly backed up GOP lawmakers who were serving in Congress during 1995, when former Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) squared off with then-President Bill Clinton by shutting down the government twice. Reps. Don Young (Alaska), Dana Rohrabacher (Calif.) and Buck McKeon (Calif.) — a close ally — supported Boehner’s position. Dozens of other Republicans rallied to support Boehner as well, in a moment that one GOP insider called a “turning point” for House Republicans.

“My view is that a government shutdown doesn’t benefit anyone necessarily, but if one party or the other is going to get an edge, it’s probably the Democrats. I agree with the speaker there,” Rep. Steve LaTourette (R-Ohio) told POLITICO. “If you look at the government shutdown of 1995, it guaranteed President Clinton’s reelection. And that’s what this would do. If you want to cede the presidential race in 2012, you shut down the government.”

But while Boehner may have backing from the old veterans in his camp, he’s run headlong into the tea-party group of House Republicans who believe that Obama and Senate Democrats would come off the worse if a shutdown actually takes place.

These hard-line Republicans, not all of whom are freshmen, have forced Boehner to play hardball with the Democrats or face a potential threat to his own survival as speaker. This hard-core faction is insisting on no less than the $61 billion spending cut package passed by the House in February, and they’ve refused to back to any proposal that includes smaller reductions. Reid and Senate Democrats have pushed a much smaller reduction of $33 billion. As of Tuesday afternoon, the potential of a shutdown was growing, but could be headed off by a Boehner offer of $40 billion in cuts plus certain policy riders favored by GOP lawmakers.</span>


<span style='font-size: 14pt'>The split among Republicans breaks somewhat along generational lines, but even more clearly between those who have served in government — .... </span>

pooltchr
04-06-2011, 12:31 PM
Odd that none of the polls sited offered the option of blaming the Dems in congress. Most rational people know that the president can't pass a budget, so if the only choices are the President, the Reps in congress, or both, that really limits the options, and forces the results.

And yes, much of the public will blame Republicans, because the MSM is telling them the Reps are to blame.

Steve

pooltchr
04-06-2011, 01:20 PM
Of course those of us who pay attention to such things know that it was the Democrat controlled congress last year who FAILED in their duty to pass a budget last year. Had they had the intestinal fortitude to pass the budget they wanted when they were supposed to do so, and live with the consequences of their actions, this wouldn't even be an issue today.

Steve

LWW
04-06-2011, 06:14 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Odd that none of the polls sited offered the option of blaming the Dems in congress.

Steve </div></div>

Imagine that.

pooltchr
04-06-2011, 06:30 PM
I guess they thought that offering that option might skew the results they were hoping to get.

Steve

sack316
04-06-2011, 11:41 PM
a shutdown is bad for republicans. Everyone knows that... even they have said that. Why would they be trying for that then?

Sack

Qtec
04-07-2011, 01:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everyone knows that... </div></div>

Really? Ask the righties about that. I don't think they agree with you.

Q

Qtec
04-07-2011, 01:10 AM
What does the budget have to do with raising the debt ceiling?

Nothing.

Q

LWW
04-07-2011, 02:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a shutdown is bad for republicans. Everyone knows that... even they have said that. Why would they be trying for that then?

Sack </div></div>

I think the media has convinced them of that.

I don't think a shutdown hurts them at all.

Yes, it will get the moonbat crazies in front of the cameras bleating incessantly, but that is the mainstream news everyday anyway so the only thing the shutdown really changes is the topic about which they are bleating.

LWW
04-07-2011, 02:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What does the budget have to do with raising the debt ceiling?

Nothing.

Q </div></div>

Have you ever considered educating yourself before posting?

LWW
04-07-2011, 03:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a shutdown is bad for republicans. Everyone knows that... even they have said that. Why would they be trying for that then?

Sack </div></div>

Now, to be more specific ... the shutdown will hurt statists.

Currently the dems are essentially 100% statists while the reps are down to maybe 50% to 60% statists.

A statists worst nightmare is for the people to realize that life is largely unchanged if a shutdown occurs.

Gayle in MD
04-07-2011, 03:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a shutdown is bad for republicans. Everyone knows that... even they have said that. Why would they be trying for that then?

Sack </div></div>

It's the Tea Party Reps, who are pushing for the shut down. The Party leaders, know Republicans will be blamed. Democratics have compromised, they agreed to Boehner's original request, then, as usual, Republians raised the bar, again, and now, they're demanding more cuts, and adding more dictatorial efforts to promote their "Social" agenda to dictate, including such things as cuts to programs, that they know will hurt those who vote Democratic, such as Planned Parenthood, which is truly an attack against poor women, who depend on the affordable programs offered by Planned Parenthood, such as affordable breast cancer examinations, uterine cancer, pap, and affordable birth control.

President Clinton made an excellent statement, about this most illogical effort, by Republicans,..... why are they trying to cut off birth control for poor women, if their issue is anti-abortion? Some have estimated, abortions would double, if funding for Planned Parenthood, is cut. Planned Parenhood, is one of the most effective, efficient organizations ever. Just another attack, by Repubs, nit picking a budget that they can brag about to the Fly over, Christian coalition, which thinks it has the right to dictate to all others, according to their religious views.

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Qtec
04-07-2011, 03:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a shutdown is bad for republicans. Everyone knows that... even they have said that. Why would they be trying for that then?

Sack </div></div>

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>I think the media has convinced them of that.</span>

I don't think a shutdown hurts them at all.

Yes, it will get the moonbat crazies in front of the cameras bleating incessantly, but that is the mainstream news everyday anyway so the only thing the shutdown really changes is the topic about which they are bleating. </div></div>

LMAO. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>Its a CONSPIRACY................LOL /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif </span>

get your tin foil hats on guys. The MS is in the bag for the Dems. ???

Q

LWW
04-07-2011, 04:06 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a shutdown is bad for republicans. Everyone knows that... even they have said that. Why would they be trying for that then?

Sack </div></div>

It's the Tea Party Reps, who are pushing for the shut down.

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When did Snoopy and Obama join the TPM?