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Sev
04-08-2011, 01:06 PM
Not such a big referendum on Walker after all.
Guess that means the unions are going to lose in the state supreme court after all.

I cant help but notice the media blackout on the event. They apparently have been spanked and spanked hard.
If would funny if it were deliberate just to embarrass the libs and the media. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

As Nancy Pelosi once said. Poor baby. Poor baby.


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Apr 8, 1:30 PM EDT

By SCOTT BAUER and CARRIE ANTLFINGER
Associated Press


WAUKESHA, Wis. (AP) -- A stunning discovery of votes in Wisconsin could give the state's hotly contested Supreme Court race to the conservative incumbent in an election largely seen as a referendum on Republican Gov. Scott Walker's explosive union rights law.

Adding another twist, the county clerk who said she incorrectly entered vote totals in the race has faced criticism before for her handling of elections and previously worked for a state GOP caucus when it was controlled by the candidate who stands to benefit from Thursday's revelation.

The corrected totals gave Justice David Prosser a 7,500-vote lead over little-known liberal assistant state attorney general JoAnne Kloppenburg, according to unofficial tallies. Before the announcement, it was assumed the race was headed for a recount. The difference between the two had fluctuated throughout the day Thursday as counties began verifying votes, but at one point was as close as 11.

Opponents of the law that takes away nearly all public employee collective bargaining rights had hoped a Kloppenburg victory would set the stage for the high court to strike it down.

Kloppenburg's campaign manager, Melissa Mulliken, demanded a full explanation of how the error occurred and said an open records request for all relevant documents would be filed. She also said Friday that the campaign has started raising money for a recount.

Prosser told Fox News on Thursday night that the race should not be considered a referendum on Walker or any legislation that may end up at the court. He said they are waiting out the process.

"I'm not conceding, and I'm not congratulating. And I'm not claiming victory," he said.

Waukesha County Clerk Kathy Nickolaus said it was "human error" that resulted in more than 14,000 votes from her predominantly GOP county not being reported to The Associated Press on Tuesday. She said the most significant error occurred when she entered but did not save totals from the city of Brookfield, a suburb of Milwaukee.

"This is not a case of extra votes or extra ballots being found," Nickolaus said. "This is human error, which I apologize for."

Ramona Kitzinger, the vice chair of Waukesha County Democratic party who observed the canvass, said she is satisfied the numbers are now correct.

"We went over everything and made sure all the numbers jibed up and they did," she said.

Nickolaus worked for 13 years for a Republican caucus that was controlled by Prosser when he was Assembly speaker in 1995 and 1996. She was given immunity from prosecution in a 2002 criminal investigation into illegal activity by members of the caucus where she worked as a data analyst and computer specialist.

The corruption probe took down five legislative leaders, all of whom reached plea deals. Nickolaus resigned from her state job in 2002 just before launching her county clerk campaign.

Nickolaus also has been criticized by the Waukesha County Board for her handling of past elections and lack of oversight in her operations.

An audit of Nickolaus' handling of the 2010 election found she needed to take steps to improve security and backup procedures, including not sharing passwords. The audit was requested after the county's director of administration said Nickolaus had been uncooperative with attempts to have county experts review her systems and confirm backups were in place.

The surprise discovery of votes that could give Prosser the win had liberal groups crying foul.

"There is a history of secrecy and partisanship surrounding the Waukesha County Clerk and there remain unanswered questions," Scot Ross, director of the liberal group One Wisconsin Now, said in a statement.

Rep. Peter Barca, Democratic Assembly minority leader, said the mistake raises significant suspicion that could warrant an investigation.

"It doesn't instill confidence in her competence or integrity," Barca said.

Prosser issued a statement saying he was encouraged by various reports from counties as they began verifying the votes. He did not specifically mention the Waukesha County change.

"Our confidence is high, and we will continue to monitor with optimism, and believe that the positive results will hold. We've always maintained faith in the voters and trust the election officials involved in the canvasing will reaffirm the lead we've taken."

The race was so close, despite 1.5 million votes being cast, that the lead flipped back and forth repeatedly on Election Day and in the days after as preliminary totals were checked and updated.

The Government Accountability Board, which is in charge of overseeing Wisconsin's elections, will review Waukesha County's numbers to verify the totals, said agency director Kevin Kennedy.

Kennedy said it was unfortunate the clerk didn't double-check the data before releasing it to the media. Kennedy also said such mistakes are known to happen but that "we just don't see them of this magnitude."

Nickolaus said she didn't notice an absence of votes because her figures showed a 42 percent voter turnout, which exceeded the 30 percent turnout the county typically sees in spring elections.

"That was an amazing amount of votes," she said. "So I had no reason to believe I was missing anything."

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bobroberts
04-08-2011, 01:49 PM
Just goes to show you how stupid she is.She will believe anything she is spoon fed.The left is dying and she can't abandon the ship even though it will go down.Amazing when wrong what people will do to deny the truth.

Poor Poor Gayle.

wolfdancer
04-08-2011, 03:13 PM
Wow, I guess this is a major victory for you, and your corresponding big celebration over it, has you believing this is the death knell for Unionism in America? If companies can pay min wages...why would they pay you the big bucks...you have some special, irreplaceable talent?
Organized labor has been under attack since the days of RR, whose motto was "let them eat cake". or was that Marie A. ?
It may very well be, as big business is outsourcing jobs to 3rd world nations, and unions have lost their bargaining power.
Since these same replaced workers now lose their buying power as well.....do you feel that bodes well for the economy?

eg8r
04-08-2011, 04:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, I guess this is a major victory for you, and your corresponding big celebration over it, has you believing this is the death knell for Unionism in America? </div></div>Why get pissy. I took the post as a response to gayle's in which she referred to this as a major victory for the Dems before sticking around to see the actual outcome.

eg8r

pooltchr
04-08-2011, 05:04 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[]Why get pissy.

eg8r </div></div>

It's just the way he is.

Steve

Sev
04-08-2011, 06:18 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, I guess this is a major victory for you, and your corresponding big celebration over it, has you believing this is the death knell for Unionism in America? If companies can pay min wages...why would they pay you the big bucks...you have some special, irreplaceable talent?
Organized labor has been under attack since the days of RR, whose motto was "let them eat cake". or was that Marie A. ?
It may very well be, as big business is outsourcing jobs to 3rd world nations, and unions have lost their bargaining power.
Since these same replaced workers now lose their buying power as well.....do you feel that bodes well for the economy?
</div></div>

I just have talent and work both residential and commercial.

I have not had to worry about a boss in over a decade.

pooltchr
04-08-2011, 06:34 PM
I think most reasonable people, faced with the choice of doing their job for less pay, or losing their job and having no paycheck at all, would opt for a pay cut.

And the pay cut would be better for the economy than having those people on unemployment. Neither option is great, but one is absolutely better than the other.

Steve

wolfdancer
04-08-2011, 06:55 PM
that's great for you, but for most folks, they depend on working, and earning a paycheck from an employer.
I've always admired the Jewish tradition of going into business for oneself, usually with some initial help from one's family. I have also read that one had better have a good business plan as they they get one bite at the apple, and won't get a second chance using family money....failure is not an option
Another pretty good idea, if that is also true.

Sev
04-08-2011, 07:26 PM
Currently with the economy being what it is I am starving and selling my possessions. However I will overcome.

Did it on my own.
Also paid for my education out of my own pocket.
What few family members are left have been there if and when I needed them and the reverse is true as well.

I dont fit the common stereotype of Jews.

wolfdancer
04-08-2011, 07:38 PM
Don't get me wrong...I think it to be an admirable tradition, and one I wish the Irish had adopted.
It was illegal to sell alcohol to an American Indian until 1953, they should have had the same laws for us Irish, but kept them on the books

LWW
04-09-2011, 01:46 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, I guess this is a major victory for you, and your corresponding big celebration over it, has you believing this is the death knell for Unionism in America? </div></div>Why get pissy. I took the post as a response to gayle's in which she referred to this as a major victory for the Dems before sticking around to see the actual outcome.

eg8r </div></div>

The cabal loves election fraud ... and gets very testy when such fraud is uncovered.

Qtec
04-09-2011, 01:57 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The cabal loves election fraud ... and gets very testy when such fraud is uncovered. </div></div>

I think the point here is that if she made such a simple mistake, how many other <u>mistakes</u> are there?

Considering this.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'><span style="color: #990000">Nickolaus worked for 13 years for a Republican caucus that was controlled by Prosser </span>when he was Assembly speaker in 1995 and 1996. She was given immunity from prosecution in a 2002 criminal investigation into illegal activity by members of the caucus where she worked as a data analyst and computer specialist.

<span style="color: #990000">The corruption probe</span> took down five legislative leaders, all of whom reached plea deals. Nickolaus resigned from her state job in 2002 just before launching her county clerk campaign.</span>

<u>Nickolaus also has been criticized by the Waukesha County Board for her handling of past elections and lack of oversight in her operations.</u>

An audit of Nickolaus' handling of the 2010 election found she needed to take steps to improve security and backup procedures, including not sharing passwords. The audit was requested after the county's director of administration said Nickolaus had been uncooperative with attempts to have county experts review her systems and confirm backups were in place.

The surprise discovery of votes that could give Prosser the win had liberal groups crying foul.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>"There is a history of secrecy and partisanship surrounding the Waukesha County Clerk and there remain unanswered questions,"</span> Scot Ross, director of the liberal group One Wisconsin Now, said in a statement.</div></div>

Give me one reason anybody should believe a word she says?

Q

LWW
04-09-2011, 02:08 AM
I agree.

She says it was all a mistake.

It's quite a leap of faith to believe that.

Furthermore, thanks for pointing out that the democrooks obviously recruited someone who had a history of election fraud.

I am always amazed at how you can consistently get it without ever getting it.

Qtec
04-09-2011, 03:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> thanks for pointing out that the democrooks obviously recruited someone who had a history of election fraud.</div></div>

How many times do I have to tell you that when you make such a claim, you should back it up with some facts.
<u> If you don't</u>, I automatically dismiss it, as should everyone else, as a figment of your imagination.

I really can't imagine why Democrats would willingly vote for this person - with a very dubious history- to have sole authority over who wins an election. Especially someone who would favour the other side!

Q

Q

LWW
04-09-2011, 04:08 AM
Dude ... the evidence was in your link.

If you didn't read it when you posted it why would I think you would read it when I posted it?

wolfdancer
04-09-2011, 11:11 AM
so, you got yours,.... and screw the rest of American labor?...

Sev
04-09-2011, 11:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so, you got yours,.... and screw the rest of American labor?... </div></div>

Perhaps the rest of American labor should show a bit more initiative.

I got tired of being a slave to anothers business.
I made it my business to invest in tools and equipment while working for others. I dedicated part of any proceeds from side jobs to the purchase of new tools as well.
In the end I was fully equipped and run any job my last boss chose without using any of his equipment.

Its about investing in ones self.

With all this comes risk. With the turn in the economy I am also paying the price of such risk.

So. At the moment I am getting mine. While other people still have steady income, I have virtually none.

So yes. Screw them and the rest of the whiners out there that are not brave enough to strike out on their own.

wolfdancer
04-09-2011, 12:36 PM
As I remember?...over 50% of businesses fail in the first year. Most people would lose everything, if they struck out, while striking out on their own.
For every success story like yours, there are probably dozens of stories of others failing. Most people with families and the associated financial obligations, need a guaranteed income source.
Unless...they have Howard Hughes, or J. Paul Getty's gift of making $$$$.
Well, continued success in your business ventures....it doesn't quite fit here, but:
"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is King"

Sev
04-09-2011, 03:32 PM
Thank you for the encouragement. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

The only success I seek is to be my own man. So far I have been. Wealth isnt everything. I am am about as far from being wealthy as one can get.

bobroberts
04-09-2011, 04:35 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As I remember?...over 50% of businesses fail in the first year. Most people would lose everything, if they struck out, while striking out on their own.
For every success story like yours, there are probably dozens of stories of others failing. Most people with families and the associated financial obligations, need a guaranteed income source.
Unless...they have Howard Hughes, or J. Paul Getty's gift of making $$$$.
Well, continued success in your business ventures....it doesn't quite fit here, but:
"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is King" </div></div>
I can't understand why you don't get the simple fact that if you work hard at something you like the rewards come with it.
You mention Hughes and Getty. 2 men who are self made.
I also went into my own business during the first Iraq war. Everyone told me i was nuts. look whose laughing now. By the way, no help from anyone. Savings and credit cards just to open the doors.
There were other risks i took along the way, like investments that paid off. Recently i invested in a movie
http://www.dorothyofoz.com/ I thought i would probably lose my money on this but i would of been really upset if it made it big.
Now a year later and it looks very promising as you can see.
This is 1 of 9 movies that Baum wrote about OZ. So there can be 8 more movies coming out in the future. If anyone is interested in investing contact me. I can still get people in, but once it previews there will be no more openings for investors.
You mention unions, they were great in the 30s but now obsolete. There are now laws to protect workers and OSHA to protect workers. We have outgrown the unions who do nothing but make people more dependent.
In this world there are 2 people. The leaders and the followers.
If you want to know which category you fall into, the next time you pull up to a toll booth see if you fall into a line behind a lot of cars or are the one who looks for the opening where there are none or hardly any cars.It's a little thing i picked up years ago studying human behavior. If you hate what you do, quit and find something you like.You will prosper, maybe not monetarily but mentally.If you say you can't do this because yo have a family, then you should of thought about it before having that family.We all have choices.

JohnnyD
04-09-2011, 05:22 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As I remember?...over 50% of businesses fail in the first year. Most people would lose everything, if they struck out, while striking out on their own.
For every success story like yours, there are probably dozens of stories of others failing. Most people with families and the associated financial obligations, need a guaranteed income source.
Unless...they have Howard Hughes, or J. Paul Getty's gift of making $$$$.
Well, continued success in your business ventures....it doesn't quite fit here, but:
"In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is King" </div></div>
All you do is think and post about the negative with everyone.Your pathetic.You and your high iq.LOL.

LWW
04-10-2011, 03:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so, you got yours,.... and screw the rest of American labor?... </div></div>

Do you realize how uneducated that statement makes you appear.

Although it's true most new businesses fail ... it's the ones which succeed that employ everyone else.

You bleat incessantly about the lack of jobs ... yet hate the only thing which create those jobs.

Sev
04-10-2011, 08:50 AM
I really dont understand the argument.

I have decided to work harder than most to maintain my personal independence. I have also decided to take far more personal risk for which I am currently paying an economic price.
I am also not using any government handouts available to me as I weather the storm.

I guess that counts for nothing in the greater scheme of things. However I am still my own man and not owned by another.

LWW
04-10-2011, 09:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I really dont understand the argument.

I have decided to work harder than most to maintain my personal independence. I have also decided to take far more personal risk for which I am currently paying an economic price.
I am also not using any government handouts available to me as I weather the storm.

I guess that counts for nothing in the greater scheme of things. However I am still my own man and not owned by another. </div></div>

That's because he has made no argument.

He is merely parroting things told to him, much as a parrot picks up words from those who feed it ... but the parrot miming what it knows will get it a treat certainly doesn't infer intellectual discourse.

eg8r
04-10-2011, 08:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think the point here is that if she made such a simple mistake, how many other mistakes are there?
</div></div>So you are in agreement that there probably are way too many democrats in office?

eg8r

Qtec
04-11-2011, 07:03 AM
She is not a Dem. She is a paid lackey of Prosser.

I don't understand how in America tally bi-partisans are in charge of elections, K Harris comes to mind.

Q

eg8r
04-11-2011, 07:45 AM
I did not say she was a Dem.

eg8r

Qtec
04-11-2011, 07:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> So you are in agreement that there probably are way too many democrats in office?

eg8r</div></div>

No.

Q

Sev
04-11-2011, 08:44 AM
Funny everything about Wisconsin has dropped off the radar.

Its like one of those fly by night carnies.

One minute they are there and come morning light nothing but a few tent pegs and scatter trash floating about.

pooltchr
04-11-2011, 09:28 AM
The lefties have put Wisconsin back on "fly over" status...until the next time they need them to promote their agenda.

Steve

eg8r
04-11-2011, 12:08 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think the point here is that if she made such a simple mistake, how many other mistakes are there?
</div></div>Sure you are. I agree with you, she made this mistake and there are bound to be more mistakes that were not caught and the Dems took the seats.

eg8r