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Gayle in MD
04-11-2011, 10:37 AM
By Michael Isikoff National investigative correspondent
NBC News NBC News
updated 1 hour 25 minutes ago 2011-04-11T14:59:35
The Hawaiian state health official who personally reviewed Barack Obama's original birth certificate has affirmed again that the document is "real" and denounced "conspiracy theorists" in the so-called "birther" movement for continuing to spread bogus claims about the issue.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>"It’s kind of ludicrous at this point," Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the former director of Hawaii's Department of Health, said in a rare telephone interview with NBC.

Fukino, sounding both exasperated and amused, spoke to a reporter in the aftermath of Donald Trump's statements on the NBC Today show last week questioning whether Obama has a legitimate birth certificate.

Trump, who says he is considering a run for president, repeated his claims on CNN's "State of the Union" Sunday, saying that "nobody has any information" about the president's birth and that "if he wasn't born in this country, he shouldn't be president of the United States."

No matter what state officials release on the issue, the "birthers" are going to question it, said Fukino. "They’re going to question the ink on which it was written or say it was fabricated," said Fukino. "The whole thing is silly."</span>

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>As the top Hawaiian official in charge of state health records in 2008, when the issue of Obama's birth first arose, Fukino said she thought she had put the matter to rest. Contacted by NBC, Fukino expanded on previous public statements and made two key points when asked about Trump's recent comments.

The first is that the original so-called "long form" birth certificate — described by Hawaiian officials as a "record of live birth" — absolutely exists, located in a bound volume in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health. Fukimo said she has personally inspected it — twice. The first time was in late October 2008, during the closing days of the presidential campaign, when the communications director for the state's then Republican governor, Linda Lingle (who appointed Fukino) asked if she could make a public statement in response to claims then circulating on the Internet that Obama was actually born in Kenya.

Before she would do so, Fukino said, she wanted to inspect the files — and did so, taking with her the state official in charge of vital records. She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files. She then put out a public statement asserting to the document's validity. She later put out another public statement in July 2009 — after reviewing the original birth record a second time.

"It is real, and no amount of saying it is not, is going to change that," Fukino said. Moreover, she added, her boss at the timeLingle — who was backing John McCain for president — would presumably have to be in on any cover up since Fukino made her public comment at the governor's office's request. "Why would a Republican governor — who was stumping for the other guy — hold out on a big secret?" she asked.

Her second point — one she made repeatedly in the interview — is that the shorter, computer generated "certification of live birth" that was obtained by the Obama campaign in 2007 and has since been publicly released is the standard document that anybody requesting their birth certificate from the state of Hawaii would receive from the health department.

The document was distributed to the Obama campaign in 2007 after Obama, at the request of a campaign official, personally signed a Hawaii birth certificate request form downloaded on the Internet, according to a former campaign official who asked for anonymity. (Obama was "testy" when asked to sign the form but did so anyway to put the issue to rest, the former campaign official said. The White House has dismissed all questions about the president's birth as "fictional nonsense.")

The certification that the campaign received back —which shows that Obama was born in Honolulu at 7:24 p.m. on Aug. 4, 1961 — was based on the content of the original document in state files, Fukino said.

"What he got, everybody got," said Fukino. "He put out exactly what everybody gets when they ask for a birth certificate."

Hawaiian officials say that the certification is, in fact, only one piece of abundant evidence of Obama's birth in Hawaii. Joshua Wisch, a spokesman for the Hawaii attorney general's office, noted that a public index of vital records, available for inspection in a bound volume at the Health Department's Office of Health Status Monitoring, lists a male child named "Obama II, Barack Hussein" as having been born in the state.

In addition, as Factcheck.org and other media organizations have repeatedly pointed out, both of Honolulu's newspapers, the Honolulu Advertiser on Aug. 13, 1961, and the Honolulu Star Bulletin, on Aug. 14, 1961, both ran birth announcements listing Obama's birth on Aug. 4 of that year.

Even Fukino accepts that her comments are not likely to end the matter for the die-hard birthers. Trump and other skeptics have questioned why the original birth certificate has not been released.

But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general's office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of "vital records," including an original "record of live birth" — even to the individual whose birth it records.

"It's a Department of Health record and it can't be released to anybody," he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.

But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer generated "certification of live birth" form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago. </span>
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/today-today_news/


<span style="color: #660000">Sort of reminds one of how they deny the facts, when the CBO tells us that The Affordable Health Care Act will save billions upon billions of dollars, and tell us that Ryan's plan costs money, and doesn't save anything, and he is laughed at by the majority of economists, at large, for his outlandish statements about his policies potential unemployment numbers, among other things, yet the right, still doesn't get it, same way they just don't get it about the President's citizenship. Same way the love to deny that George W. Bush destroyed the US economy, with his policies, his tax cuts, his warring, and his incompetence, his "Ownership Society" annd his unspoken message to banks, oil, pharma, we're not watching!!!! Do as you like!

And they did, as the Wall St. SEC employee stated, we didn't do anything about it (the Wall St. corruption)because it would have gone against the president's policies.

No wonder, so many Repiglican operatives, pundants, and older party-liners, are worried about how many Americans think Repiglicanns are stupid, just by their being connected to the Tea Party nutjobs.

LOL...funny.

The more ridiculous and absurd the story, the faster they jump on board.</span> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Gayle in MD
04-11-2011, 12:28 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 11pt'> TRUMP AND PALIN TWO MILLION BIRTHER LIE
by: Justin Elliot


One of the latest claims made by Donald Trump -- now joined by Sarah Palin -- is that President Obama has spent $2 million in legal fees to keep his birth certificate secret. Predictably, this figure is based on shoddy reporting by a discredited Birther website and lacks any evidence to back it up.

On CNN on Sunday, Trump rolled out the "$2 million" figure as one piece of evidence that Obama was not born in the U.S.

"I just say very simply why doesn't he show his birth certificate?" Trump asked. "Why has he spent over $2 million in legal fees to keep this quiet and to keep this silent?" Sarah Palin used a similar formulation on Fox on Saturday, applauding Trump for investigating "why President Obama would've spent $2 million to not show his birth certificate."

Here's the backstory on this particular piece of Birther mythology.

While the $2 million figure has now been invoked thousands of times around the Web, it appears to have originated on WorldNetDaily, a right-wing news website that conducts original (and often unreliable) reporting on a variety of conspiracy theories.

I asked Orly Taitz, the leading California-based Birther attorney and dentist, where the $2 million figure comes from. "There was an article in WorldNetDaily a while ago," she said. "I believe Trump is correct."

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Bill Keller, a Florida evangelical pastor who starred in the first Birther infomercial, has also invoked the $2 million figure. I asked Keller his source for the number. "WorldNetDaily has done tons of reporting on this issue," he wrote in an email.

Specifically, WND's Chelsea Schilling wrote a series of articles on the legal bills in 2009. See here, here, and here. According to the WND articles, the Obama campaign paid $1.7 million in fees to the law firm Perkins Coie between October 2008 and October 2009.

Perkins Coie's Bob Bauer, who is now White House counsel, represented Obama in at least one Birther lawsuit that WND has also written about. In 2009, Bauer fired off a brief letter to an attorney who brought a case questioning Obama's eligibility to be president. Bauer warned the attorney that the case was frivolous and asked him to stop pursuing it. (The case is called Hollister v. Soetoro -- with Soetoro referring to the name President Obama supposedly used as a child in Indonesia. It was recently appealed to the Supreme Court, which turned it down.)

The implication of the WND stories -- though not explicitly stated -- is that because Perkins Coie worked on a Birther suit, and because the Obama campaign paid Perkins Coie $1.7 million, therefore the campaign paid $1.7 million fighting Birther suits. That's an obvious logical fallacy.

Indeed, just last month Roll Call published a look at the Obama campaign's post-election legal spending -- now totaling $2.8 million, most of it to Perkins Coie. DNC National Press Secretary Hari Sevugan told the paper: "The campaign has incurred ordinary legal expenses related to the wind-down of its operations and other legal services which all campaigns incur and which are proportional to the unprecedented size of this campaign." Roll Call continued:


Legal costs for presidential campaigns can balloon following Election Day as these organizations face compliance issues and sometimes court cases stemming from the campaign season.

Sevugan said some legal fees were needed to defend the campaign against “unmeritorious” suits, including one challenging Obama’s citizenship.


So, yes, it's clear that the Obama campaign has spent some money fighting so-called eligibility lawsuits. But the $2 million figure is baseless.

Inquires seeking comment from Trump and Palin have gone unanswered. But this story shows the fundamental problem with letting Trump on TV again and again to go on his Birther rants: even if you're trying to fact-check him, there are too many layers of falsehoods to do so effectively.



http://www.salon.com/news/politics/birth...million_birther (http://www.salon.com/news/politics/birthers/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/04/11/trump_palin_two_million_birther)

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http://www.salon.com/news/politics/birth...million_birther (http://www.salon.com/news/politics/birthers/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/04/11/trump_palin_two_million_birther)

wolfdancer
04-11-2011, 12:51 PM
Again, a good, if not great, post.
Bringing up the "birther" issue here,( here,like it would really matter?),and at this late date, is patently ridiculous....it does no good to lock the stable, after the horse has already fled.
If the leaders of the Republican party could not prove such a charge before the election....then it's a pretty moot issue right now. I would think that part of that $2 mil, did go towards defending the President to be, from those unfounded charges.
Sarah may have been born in a stable, and garbed in swaddling clothes....but I guess it ain't like a Western....the "good guys" (sic) don't always win.

pooltchr
04-11-2011, 01:25 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">but I guess it ain't like a Western....the "good guys" (sic) don't always win. </div></div>

You got that right! Look at who is in the White House!

Steve

Gayle in MD
04-11-2011, 01:36 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again, a good, if not great, post.
Bringing up the "birther" issue here,( here,like it would really matter?),and at this late date, is patently ridiculous....it does no good to lock the stable, after the horse has already fled.
If the leaders of the Republican party could not prove such a charge before the election....then it's a pretty moot issue right now. I would think that part of that $2 mil, did go towards defending the President to be, from those unfounded charges.
Sarah may have been born in a stable, and garbed in swaddling clothes....but I guess it ain't like a Western....the "good guys" (sic) don't always win. </div></div>

ONLY the right, would continue to spread around something that has been proven, over and over again, beyond a shadow of a doubt, to be a total fabrication.

Like I always say, politics is a dirty business, but when it comes to Repiglicans, it's a filthy dirty business!

Sara is irrelevant. Even Repiglicans, are not stupid enough to back her, or the equally nutty Bachmann, neither has a chance in hell of getting into the Oval Office.

In fact, Reppiglicans don't have a single candidate with any real appeal, to the general public.

Their recent displays, and proof of their lies, upon lies, upon lies, about "Death Panels" and The Birther's insanity, and lies to protect the polluting pigs, who are desrtoying the environment, put them apart, from most Americans, who believe in equal rights, under the law, gay rights, women's rights, the right to buy and use birth control, etc, etc., etc.,

Their plan to privatize Medicare, and destroy Social Security, and medicaid, while giving away more more more to the wealthy, proves they represent ONLY the wealthy, top one percent, and the multi multi million dollar billionaires and millionaires, many of whom, are the very same corporate fascists thieves, who Bush gave billions in socialized losses, and privatized profits, and they, with Greenspan's and Bush's help, destroyed the economy.

G.

eg8r
04-11-2011, 02:39 PM
Thread titles like this are perfect examples of why you are treated the way you are. You don't want peace. What you want is to be able to say whatever you want without any repercussions and you want to limit what others are allowed to say to you.

eg8r

pooltchr
04-11-2011, 02:45 PM
As woofie puts it....it's nothing but promoting hatred for the opposing party. She is not different from Beck or Limbaugh...she's just on the other side of the aisle.

Steve

llotter
04-11-2011, 03:33 PM
I have been following this issue from the beginning and this is the first I've heard that photocopies can't be made available, even if The Moron requested it. Within the voluminous literature on the subject, I have seen a copy of the 'long form birth certificate' of someone born on that same date, though I am not sure when or how it was obtained, or even if it was authentic. However, in the final analysis, it makes no sense that if some 'official' of HI can see it and if it is a requirement of being president, it shouldn't boil down to having to take her word for it's legitimacy.

ugotda7
04-11-2011, 03:38 PM
Fux who......................?

llotter
04-11-2011, 08:44 PM
I thought I would add this link for anyone that's interested:

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=285921

LWW
04-12-2011, 03:04 AM
Well ... that answers why O-cultists like looking stupid.

LWW
04-12-2011, 03:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I thought I would add this link for anyone that's interested:

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=285921 </div></div>

Isn't it amazing how many people have posted these long form Hawaii BC's that are impossible to get!

Isn't it astounding how the cited Hawaii law disputes what Gee's O-cultist author's article claims!

LWW
04-12-2011, 03:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.</div></div>

OH DEAR! (http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401)

llotter
04-12-2011, 12:05 PM
My guess is that The Moron was not born in this country but the grandparents completed the proper form as though he was born at home, like myself. This application only needs one person swear to it and it would be filed as the 'long form birth certificate' and used to generate the 'certerfication of live birth' in the future. Also this same form is used to generate the birth announcement to the local newspapers. If he were born at home in HI, he would likely let that be known but what I suspect is that the application has enough verifiable info on it to show that he in fact was not born at home, therefore not in the state. The address listed in the announcement was purportedly that of the grandparents.

Gayle in MD
04-17-2011, 09:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My guess is that The Moron was not born in this country but the grandparents completed the proper form as though he was born at home, like myself. This application only needs one person swear to it and it would be filed as the 'long form birth certificate' and used to generate the 'certerfication of live birth' in the future. Also this same form is used to generate the birth announcement to the local newspapers. If he were born at home in HI, he would likely let that be known but what I suspect is that the application has enough verifiable info on it to show that he in fact was not born at home, therefore not in the state. The address listed in the announcement was purportedly that of the grandparents. </div></div>


<span style='font-size: 14pt'> <span style="color: #990000">For your own sake, drop it.

Anyone who believes that this president was not born here in this country, and in Hawaii, also proves that they are a raging, ignorant radical RW idiot, who denies reality.

Even the REPUBLICAN Goveronor of Hawaii, long ago, stated that President Obama's birth certificate is the official document, their standard birth certificate.

You righties on here prove your own petty sore loser mentality, and ignorance, over and over. Palin, Limpballs, Beck, O'Reilly, Trump and Bachman, Boehner McConnell, Ryan, are enough idiots for one country.

Repiglicans just proved this week, they can't add! Thirty-eight billion, turns into 350 million, overnight, LMAO!

You righties should be hiding in your holes of misinformation, red faced, and embarrassed, after this last week of Repiglican bravado, foolishness and lies.

G. </span> </span>

Sid_Vicious
04-17-2011, 09:25 AM
I think it is pathetically funny myself. You don't think that McCain's camp would have missed that if he'd really not been a US citizen ;-) Leave these little boys to play with themselves Gayle. This nonsense will bite them in the 2012 election. Reps will only be viewed as more pathetic in their desperation. I think it's a hoot. You can see how much this is bothering Obama. sid

Gayle in MD
04-17-2011, 09:35 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sid_Vicious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think it is pathetically funny myself. You don't think that McCain's camp would have missed that if he'd really not been a US citizen ;-) Leave these little boys to play with themselves Gayle. This nonsense will bite them in the 2012 election. Reps will only be viewed as more pathetic in their desperation. I think it's a hoot. You can see how much this is bothering Obama. sid </div></div>


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The Repigs always end up showing their arses don't they?

Yet, they present themselves as Christians! LMAO!!!

Whatever happened to Love Thy Neighbor, as thyself???

Was that just a commercial, lol.

sack316
04-17-2011, 10:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sid_Vicious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... You don't think that McCain's camp would have missed that if he'd really not been a US citizen ;-)... </div></div>

Well that's just making way too much sense there Sid. Stop it! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Sack

Gayle in MD
04-17-2011, 10:29 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sid_Vicious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">... You don't think that McCain's camp would have missed that if he'd really not been a US citizen ;-)... </div></div>

Well that's just making way too much sense there Sid. Stop it! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

Sack </div></div>

Yeah, and how about the whole, Clinton Political Machine, the Repubs were always yapping about? Does anyone think Hillary and Bill would have missed it, if president Obama, hadn't been a US citizen?

Honestly, anyone who jumps onto this "Birther" BS, really is showing how truly uninformed, they are.
But then, some of them believe in Trickle Down VOODOO, and think that Saddam had WMD, and that Valarie Plame, was just a secretary! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif
G.

sack316
04-17-2011, 10:37 AM
The fact he has a US passport, and if I'm not mistaken had one long before he was anybody of any kind of power or clout, should answer the question anyway.

Sack

Gayle in MD
04-17-2011, 10:39 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The fact he has a US passport, and if I'm not mistaken had one long before he was anybody of any kind of power or clout, should answer the question anyway.

Sack </div></div>

Tap, tap, tap!

LWW
04-18-2011, 02:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah, and how about the whole, Clinton Political Machine, the Repubs were always yapping about? Does anyone think Hillary and Bill would have missed it, if president Obama, hadn't been a US citizen?
G. </div></div>

It was the Hillary campaign that started it.

McCain, much to his detriment, decided to run a "NO ATTACK" campaign against then democrook slime machine.

LWW
04-18-2011, 02:48 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The fact he has a US passport, and if I'm not mistaken had one long before he was anybody of any kind of power or clout, should answer the question anyway.

Sack </div></div>

Why?

sack316
04-18-2011, 11:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The fact he has a US passport, and if I'm not mistaken had one long before he was anybody of any kind of power or clout, should answer the question anyway.

Sack </div></div>

Why? </div></div>

Because I had to present documentation such as the one in question when I got my passport. I'd guess I wasn't singled out in having to do so.

Sack

wolfdancer
04-18-2011, 12:07 PM
that's your opinion, of course, and you know what they say about opinions. I didn't like GWB, but the country survived his rule (with just a couple of major "hiccups")
I'm quite sure we'll survive President Barack Obama's term of office. (I'm hoping that he also survives....)

LWW
04-18-2011, 03:49 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The fact he has a US passport, and if I'm not mistaken had one long before he was anybody of any kind of power or clout, should answer the question anyway.

Sack </div></div>

Why? </div></div>

Because I had to present documentation such as the one in question when I got my passport. I'd guess I wasn't singled out in having to do so.

Sack </div></div>

And this would answer the question how?

I know several US citizens, naturalized, that have a US passport.

Gayle in MD
04-19-2011, 11:12 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have been following this issue from the beginning and this is the first I've heard that photocopies can't be made available, even if The Moron requested it. Within the voluminous literature on the subject, I have seen a copy of the 'long form birth certificate' of someone born on that same date, though I am not sure when or how it was obtained, or even if it was authentic. However, in the final analysis, it makes no sense that if some 'official' of HI can see it and if it is a requirement of being president, it shouldn't boil down to having to take her word for it's legitimacy.

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The Republican Governor, at the time of the 08 election, or shortly after, has confirmed the birth certificate.

Do you think that the former Republican Governor, is just some 'official'?

Of all the radical statements and opinions which permeate this site, The Tea Party, the nutty Repiglican accusers, like Bachmann, Palin, Trump, Newt, Huckabee, etc., those who line up as "Birthers" are surely the most ignorant of all.

Denail of facts, is the forte' of the right.

If you want to see the long form, go to Factcheck.org. It's been there all along, a digital photocopy, so detailed, even the state seal, is obvious.

Aain, WAKE UP!



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In 2009, Trump published a book with a very Trumpian title: “Think Like a Champion.” In that book, he praised Obama’s “amazing” and “phenomenal” accomplishments. “Barack Obama proved that determination combined with opportunity and intelligence can make things happen — and in an exceptional way,” Trump gushed.

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As you can see...my thread title hits the mark on this subject!

G.

pooltchr
04-19-2011, 11:26 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[
Of all the radical statements and opinions which permeate this site, The Tea Party, the nutty Repiglican accusers, like Bachmann, Palin, Trump, Newt, Huckabee, etc., those who line up as "Birthers" are surely the most ignorant of all.

G.
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Oh, give yourself some credit. When it comes to that topic, they can't even carry your keyboard!

By the way....what is "denail"? Is that some new form of torture?

Steve

wolfdancer
04-19-2011, 11:55 AM
years into the Obama Presidency, and this is still an issue "here"??? Somebody should tell the dogsled lady, Miss Musher 1989, to drop the issue and get on with her life. You usually get just one chance at the "brass ring" and she fell off the merry go round, trying to catch it. The only way she's going to get into the White House is to sign up for one of the tours.
A Palindrome reads the same reads the same frontwards and backwards,....and so does the Palin drone
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">drones . v.intr. To make a continuous low dull humming sound: </div></div>

Gayle in MD
04-19-2011, 02:22 PM
Well, it's just so silly, when the facts have been available all along.

George Romney wasn't born here...he was born in Mexico.

McCain, wasn't born here either, born in Panama.

Actually, Goldwater wasn't even born in an American State, it wasn't part of the Union when he was born.

Obama was born in Hawaii, the proof is readily available. Just shows how much they embrace denial in order to spread their obvious lies around.

Trump is a total fool, so, naturally, the rightie nutjobs are going for him in a big way! LMAO.

Just proves what idiots they are. Even Karl Rove is calling Trump names, and making fun of anyone who jumps on this birther BS.

But, as we well know, nothing between their ears, hence, there is always ample proof of their ignorance, craziness, and in Donald's case, just plain Bull****. He's conning the neoconned and they're too dumb to catch on. Trump, is just one step up from the Carnival Barker, all he needs is the striped jacket, the straw hat, and the carnival stick to bang on the stand.

What a jerk! Just wait until all those women come out of the woodwork, and tell about how many abortions he's paid for all these years!

Actually, this is going to be pretty funny to watch, and then signing on here, seeing how these lemmings are jumping right onto the Trump band wagon, what a riot! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

G.

pooltchr
04-19-2011, 02:56 PM
Who here has "jumped on the Trump bandwagon"? I haven't seen anyone state that they would support him in a run for office.

What else is new in fantasyland?

Steve

pooltchr
04-19-2011, 02:58 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

What a jerk! Just wait until all those women come out of the woodwork, and tell about how many abortions he's paid for all these years!



G.
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Wait a minute! Are you now saying that it's a bad thing to have, or pay for, an abortion????????????????????????????

Steve

wolfdancer
04-19-2011, 04:28 PM
I thought that when Carl Rove spoke out against the "birther" garbage....that might end it.
While "the Donald" was playing the "birther" issue as his Trump card, he should have paid attention to the lines in that old Kenny Rogers song:
kr (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn481KcjvMo&feature=player_detailpage)

wolfdancer
04-19-2011, 04:38 PM
Gayle, this was a nefarious plot, hatched by his grandparents, who were in league with the Chinese communists. The idea for this came straight out of the movie "The Manchurian Candidate", and before his term is up, he will personally surrender the country to them; although .....given our huge debt to them, they may already, in fact,..... own it?

wolfdancer
04-19-2011, 04:44 PM
Not so fast there, mister.... The Bubba brain trust here has uncovered many Democratic wrongdoings, that their party bigwigs have missed. AND,...had they let this group run the McCain campaign, we might have the lovely, vivacious,Sarah whispering <s>sweet</s> well, things anyway, in McCains ear.

LWW
04-19-2011, 05:08 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, it's just so silly, when the facts have been available all along.

George Romney wasn't born here...he was born in Mexico.

McCain, wasn't born here either, born in Panama.

Actually, Goldwater wasn't even born in an American State, it wasn't part of the Union when he was born.

Obama was born in Hawaii, the proof is readily available. Just shows how much they embrace denial in order to spread their obvious lies around.

Trump is a total fool, so, naturally, the rightie nutjobs are going for him in a big way! LMAO.

Just proves what idiots they are. Even Karl Rove is calling Trump names, and making fun of anyone who jumps on this birther BS.

But, as we well know, nothing between their ears, hence, there is always ample proof of their ignorance, craziness, and in Donald's case, just plain Bull****. He's conning the neoconned and they're too dumb to catch on. Trump, is just one step up from the Carnival Barker, all he needs is the striped jacket, the straw hat, and the carnival stick to bang on the stand.

What a jerk! Just wait until all those women come out of the woodwork, and tell about how many abortions he's paid for all these years!

Actually, this is going to be pretty funny to watch, and then signing on here, seeing how these lemmings are jumping right onto the Trump band wagon, what a riot! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

G.
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This post only shows how little you actually know.

Although Romney/McCain weren't "BORN HERE" they are both "NATURAL BORN CITIZENS" of the USA because both parents were citizens.

In spite of the democrooks being "BIRTHERS" for well over a century, this is the firsy actual case of a major candidate who wasn't the offspring of two US citizens.

You may now proceed with your regularly scheduled delusion.

Gayle in MD
04-19-2011, 07:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not so fast there, mister.... The Bubba brain trust here has uncovered many Democratic wrongdoings, that their party bigwigs have missed. AND,...had they let this group run the McCain campaign, we might have the lovely, vivacious,Sarah whispering <s>sweet</s> well, things anyway, in McCains ear. </div></div>

OMG! Just imagine Palin as VP!

The fact remains, the Birth certificate is valid. The President is an American citizen. The proof of ignorance, blatant among the right, is clear in polls which show the vast numbers of Repiglicans who think the president wasn't born in Hawaii.

Stunning ignorance. The same sort of stunning ignorance, which kept Bush in office after he was proven to be a treasonist and a liar.

If you are born in this country, you are an American. Obama was born in Hawaii. Even the Republican governor, stated that he had seen the President's original birth certificate, which IS on file, in Hawaii, and certified it's authenticity.

Birthers are the dumbest of the dumb.

G.

wolfdancer
04-19-2011, 09:09 PM
At least the Governor of Arizona acted according to her conscience, and vetoed a couple of birther bills.
You will not be required in Arizona to show written proof of being circumcised to run for President:
"I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for president of the greatest and most powerful nation on earth to submit their 'early baptism or circumcision certificates' ... This is a bridge too <s>fores</s> er, far," she said..

sack316
04-20-2011, 02:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The fact he has a US passport, and if I'm not mistaken had one long before he was anybody of any kind of power or clout, should answer the question anyway.

Sack </div></div>

Why? </div></div>

Because I had to present documentation such as the one in question when I got my passport. I'd guess I wasn't singled out in having to do so.

Sack </div></div>

And this would answer the question how?

I know several US citizens, naturalized, that have a US passport. </div></div>

Yes, and you in your knowledge of these persons know they are naturalized citizens... free and easy info, either from personal conversation or even just some slight digging to find out with no financial consequence to speak of.

Now think of the millions Clinton had behind her, on top of the millions McCain had behind him.... wouldn't you think somewhere along the line, were he a naturalized citizen, SOMEONE would know???

I'm sorry my friend, there are plenty of things we will agree on in regards to him... but I'm nowhere near the so called "birther" bandwagon.

Now... do I think he should just ante up and present to hush all the nonsense? I surely do. But whether he does or not, I put full faith in the process as well as his former opponents to have brought ANY AND ALL indiscretion to light.

There's plenty to complain about, but sorry I just don't agree his birthplace is one of those things.

Sack

Qtec
04-20-2011, 02:38 AM
The guy has been POTUS for 2 years now! You can't be POTUS if you are not a NBC. The issue is a 2 year old non issue. The only point of this 'Obama is a socialist Kenyan' crap, is to feed the simple minded and the bigoted with negative images of Obama.

eg,

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2009/Feb/Week3/15225711.jpg

http://static.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/obama-chimp-photo_485x341.jpg

Q

LWW
04-20-2011, 03:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[Now think of the millions Clinton had behind her, on top of the millions McCain had behind him.... wouldn't you think somewhere along the line, were he a naturalized citizen, SOMEONE would know???

Sack </div></div>

Nobody, to my knowledge, has ever suggested that Obama is a naturalized citizen.

What he is known to be for sure is the child of a single US citizen, and a non US citizen.

That makes him a US citizen and hence no need to apply for citizenship. What it does not make him is a naturalized citizen ... that would require, in this instance, birth on US soil.

Now, IMHO Obama was in fact born in the US. He is also a dual citizen of the UK from his father, as well as possibly a dual citizen of Indonesia from his stepfather Soetero.

If the birth records contain info that Obama ever requested the long form BC for either a Indonesian or UK passport then that would be tantamount to renouncing his US citizenship as the US does not recognize dual citizenship the way that the UK and Indonesia do.

There are many other possibilities that the file might reveal, not being born on US soil is only one of them.

If that were the sole issue, I wouldn't be so bothered by it.

But, in combo with his refusal to release any HS of college transcripts ... passport records ... health records as required by law ... passport travel records ... and that Obama has used multiple SSN's over the years can bring a sane person only to the conclusion that the public has no real idea who/what the current POTUS is?

LWW
04-20-2011, 03:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Now... do I think he should just ante up and present to hush all the nonsense? I surely do. But whether he does or not, I put full faith in the process as well as his former opponents to have brought ANY AND ALL indiscretion to light.

Sack </div></div>

By bring ing this to light, haven't they done that?

And, FWIW, the whole "BIRTHER" thing started with the Clinton camp and has been a political attack tool of the dems for over a century.

LWW
04-20-2011, 03:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2009/Feb/Week3/15225711.jpg

http://static.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/obama-chimp-photo_485x341.jpg

Q
</div></div>

Why do you keep reposting what you yourself state to be racist pieces?

Qtec
04-20-2011, 03:51 AM
Truth hurts doesn't it?

Q

Qtec
04-20-2011, 03:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are many other possibilities that the file might reveal,<span style='font-size: 14pt'> not being born on US soil is only one of them. </span></div></div>

How come he has a BC that says he was born in Hawaii?

Q

wolfdancer
04-20-2011, 04:07 AM
only his hairdresser knows for sure.
You would think these wabid wight wingers would soon?? realize that the birther issue can not be resolved here, so why do they keep asking each other where the document is? I have a photo taken shortly after his birth in Nazareth, Pa
pop 6,000

Qtec
04-20-2011, 04:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">only his hairdresser knows for sure </div></div>

I didn't know LG did Afro!

http://lgraham.senate.gov/public/_images/header/headerimage.jpg

LOL

Q

LWW
04-20-2011, 04:27 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Truth hurts doesn't it?

Q </div></div>

So you are saying the truth is that Obama's parents were chimps?

LWW
04-20-2011, 04:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are many other possibilities that the file might reveal,<span style='font-size: 14pt'> not being born on US soil is only one of them. </span></div></div>

How come he has a BC that says he was born in Hawaii?

Q </div></div>

He does?

Why doesn't he present it?

Do you have a copy you can post?

Qtec
04-20-2011, 04:51 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Why doesn't he present it? </div></div>

He must have done! Otherwise he wouldn't have been able to be POTUS!

Q!...LOL

LWW
04-20-2011, 04:55 AM
Then show it to us.

Gayle in MD
04-20-2011, 09:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">At least the Governor of Arizona acted according to her conscience, and vetoed a couple of birther bills.
You will not be required in Arizona to show written proof of being circumcised to run for President:
"I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for president of the greatest and most powerful nation on earth to submit their 'early baptism or circumcision certificates' ... This is a bridge too <s>fores</s> er, far," she said.. </div></div>

Heard about that, but her program to discriminate against people of color, is still under the court's scritiny, I believe.

The bottom line is that the president was born in Hawaii, is an American citizen, and shouldn't have to do anything that other President's have not been asked to do, jusgt because he is half black.

He has met every lie abut him with grace and poise, while the nutty, uninformed RWers continue to prove they don't have a clue what they are talking about.

As usual, the smut and lies, appeal to dummies like the Repiglicans, who are so stupid they believe whatever they are told, without doing any research of their own.

Same ol' same ol'. They STILL don't realize that tax cuts for billionaires, don't create jobs! What can we expect from people who are that uneducated and unaware?

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G.

pooltchr
04-20-2011, 10:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
They STILL don't realize that tax cuts for billionaires, don't create jobs! What can we expect from people who are that unaware?

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

G. </div></div>

Yes, we should probably try to follow the lead of Maryland, and increase taxes on the wealthy in hopes of generating more tax revenue.

By the way...how did that work out for your state????????

Steve

wolfdancer
04-20-2011, 10:47 AM
What I can't understand is..... how they, they being the Republicans, let our dear President advance through the political ranks, without ever questioning his Masai warrior status.
I guess that the party has now turned this delicate matter over the assembled panel here, led by the noted genealogist from the high country of N.C.

Gayle in MD
04-20-2011, 10:59 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I can't understand is..... how they, they being the Republicans, let our dear President advance through the political ranks, without ever questioning his Masai warrior status.
I guess that the party has now turned this delicate matter over the assembled panel here, led by the noted genealogist from the high country of N.C. </div></div>

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Hey, if people can't get it through their thick skulls, that one isn't interested in anything they have to say, about anything, what else can we expect.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> "Why would a Republican governor — who was stumping for the other guy — hold out on a big secret?" she asked.

Her second point — one she made repeatedly in the interview — is that <span style='font-size: 26pt'>the shorter, computer generated "certification of live birth" that was obtained by the Obama campaign in 2007 and has since been publicly released is the standard document that anybody requesting their birth certificate from the state of Hawaii would receive from the health department. </span> </div></div>

As Q.says, it's a non issue. Intelligent people aren't "Birthers." We knew that long ago.

The fact that so many Repiglicans buy into, or pretend to buy into, this concocted lie, is proof of their inability, or refusal, to grasp reality, and most of all, proof of their racism, as well.

But, as I say, they ARE Koch heads, after all, LMAO!
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wolfdancer
04-20-2011, 11:22 AM
I wonder if this is the last site on the vast world wide web, where the "birther" issue has not been laid to rest?
They have even settled the issue on Sesame Street, so I'm told.

pooltchr
04-20-2011, 11:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I guess that the party has now turned this delicate matter over the assembled panel here, led by the noted genealogist from the high country of N.C. </div></div>

I understand that you have an uncontrolled need to take cheap shots at me whenever you think you have the opportunity. I also understand that you either can't comprehend what you read, or just choose to be selectively ignorant when it suits you. But try to get this through your thick little head.
I am not a birther. I don't have any firsthand knowledge of where Obama was born, but I suspect that if he was born outside the US, someone would have produced some evidence to that effect.

I do, however, think that Obama has gone to great lengths to keep much of his personal background and history away from the public. I wonder what his reasoning for this is. Why would he go to such lengths to keep his college records closed? Why would he have multiple social security numbers? Why would he not just produce an actual birth certificate, rather than the short form? That would put an end to the entire discussion.

Is it possible that there are political reasons that he has allowed this to continue?

I think you are having problems at your advanced age keeping what people say what things. It's quite normal for the elderly, so you may want to keep an eye on your problem. I would hate to see your mug on the evening news as one of those missing, and wandering aimlessly around the streets, news stories.

Steve

wolfdancer
04-20-2011, 11:52 AM
see if this doesn't answer part of your questions:
Google.........FERPA

And...posing the question on Snopes.com ...brought up some interesting info on the birth and records thereof.
From that site:
CLAIM: the live birth certificate is a forgery
Snopes reply...."FALSE"
I doubt that it will allay the "conspiracy/Manchurian Candidate" fears of anybody still holding onto such a theory, such as yourself.
I'm thinking that if you were to say, question my birth records....you would discover some anomalies in there(and I had a hard time originally, getting a copy myself....due to a name change) Maybe I was born in Kenya?

JohnnyD
04-20-2011, 04:36 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Then show it to us. </div></div>
He can't as it isn't real.He is double-thinking.

JohnnyD
04-20-2011, 04:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> see if this doesn't answer part of your questions:
Google.........FERPA

And...posing the question on Snopes.com ...brought up some interesting info on the birth and records thereof.
From that site:
CLAIM: the live birth certificate is a forgery
Snopes reply...."FALSE"
I doubt that it will allay the "conspiracy/Manchurian Candidate" fears of anybody still holding onto such a theory, such as yourself.
I'm thinking that if you were to say, question my birth records....you would discover some anomalies in there(and I had a hard time originally, getting a copy myself....due to a name change) Maybe I was born in Kenya? </div></div>
Doesn't matter where you were born no one wants to claim you.

JohnnyD
04-20-2011, 04:42 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I can't understand is..... how they, they being the Republicans, let our dear President advance through the political ranks, without ever questioning his Masai warrior status.
I guess that the party has now turned this delicate matter over the assembled panel here, led by the noted genealogist from the high country of N.C. </div></div>
With your high iq you can't figure it out!May not be the genious you think you are.

wolfdancer
04-20-2011, 05:05 PM
I looked up "troll" in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, and saw your picture. I still think and believe you are someone's alternate web alias.....but who really sweats the small stuff?

JohnnyD
04-20-2011, 05:06 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I looked up "troll" in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary, and saw your picture. I still think and believe you are someone's alternate web alias.....but who really sweats the small stuff?

</div></div>Who cares about your high iq!lol.

wolfdancer
04-20-2011, 05:14 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who cares about your high iq </div></div>
Evidently....you do, ....very much, since you bring it up all the time. I really appreciate the honor, of course...just wish it had been from someone not seemingly, in the early stages of dementia.

JohnnyD
04-20-2011, 05:16 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who cares about your high iq </div></div>
Evidently....you do, ....very much, since you bring it up all the time. I really appreciate the honor, of course...just wish it had been from someone not seemingly, in the early stages of dementia. </div></div>
No one cares about you so don't pretend otherwise.

TROLL

NIT

LWW
04-21-2011, 02:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Then show it to us. </div></div>

Sooooo ... I guess you nknew it never existed the whole time Snoopy?

Gayle in MD
04-21-2011, 04:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder if this is the last site on the vast world wide web, where the "birther" issue has not been laid to rest?
They have even settled the issue on Sesame Street, so I'm told. </div></div>

Interesting how the right didn't mind it a bit, when W. refused to answer the question about using cocaine in college, and lied about his MIA, while in the Reserves, and lied about his DUI, flat out lied, and admitted it.

Didn't bother them when Bush one, refused to answer questions about his mistress.

Didn't bother them when L. Graham, refused to answer about his homosexuality.

Didn't bother them when Boehner refused to answer questions about his two affairs.

Doesn't bother them that Repiglicans consistantly voted against decent medical and emotional, and family financial aid, when they came back home.

Doesn't bother them when Repiglicans deceive the public, about their true intentions, over and over again, during campaigns.

How many people would have voted for any of them had we all known that they intended to destroy the Unions, deprive people of their freedom of speech, destroy Medicare and Medicaid, and screw up SS.

Wonder how they justify, that people in their thirties, forties, and fifties, who have paid into these social insurance programs, their entire working life, will not get what they were promised, because Repiglicans would rather take that money away from them, to give it all to the rich, and pander to the extremely wealthy???


I wonder, how they can look themselves in the mirror, after all the Death Panel lies they spread around about the Affordable Health Care Act, when all along, they are the ones who want to kill off the elderly, and throw grandma under the bus, in order to give the wealhty, more tax breaks and more opportunities, to steal from the country, at large.

This President has addressed our most damaging problems, health costs, and energy, as Repiglicans have blocked everything
that is essential, to insuring America's future, from renewable fuel investments, to the public option, which would have best addressed the grand theft going on in this country, by the Medical Insurance industry, and the medical and Pharmaceutical Industry.

They have a lot of nerve, to even mention the words, fiscal responsibility, after their record breaking spending, wasting, and corruption.

Truly repulsive, aren't they?
FILTHY LIARS AND SNEAKS! AND, their supporters, prove with these lies about the president's citizenship, and common, nasty, insinuations, just how racist and unAmerican, they really are.
G.

pooltchr
04-21-2011, 05:38 AM
Didn't bother you a bit when Clinton lied about his affair.

If you are going to set a standard for others, you should probably be able to reach it yourself.

Steve

LWW
04-21-2011, 05:49 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't bother you a bit when Clinton lied about his affair.

If you are going to set a standard for others, you should probably be able to reach it yourself.

Steve </div></div>

That would require her reverting to "OLDTHINK" and you can't be a good agitprop with using doublethink.

Sev
04-21-2011, 08:05 AM
Good thing I am a libertarian.