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Qtec
04-17-2011, 03:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> April 16, 2011 12:00 PM
<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Michigan's Governor Exercises "Emergency Powers" to Break Union Contracts</span>
By karoli

Benton, Michigan's city government <span style='font-size: 14pt'>was shut down yesterday by the state Emergency Financial Manager.</span> Elected officials in that city are now limited to calling a meeting, adjourning a meeting, and approving minutes of a meeting. Beyond that, they can do nothing.

Eclectablog:

This is a complete disenfranchisement of an entire community, an entire large city in my state. The voters are now denied the ability to be governed by the people they elected in a democratic election.

This is nothing short of an abridgment of democracy in raw form.

I will have more as this develops. I can only assume a lawsuit will be forthcoming. The news is so fresh it has not yet hit the major news outlets.

[...]

Interesting statistic: Benton Harbor is 92.4% African American with an annual median household income of $17,471 with 42.6% of the population below the poverty line. St. Joseph, the next city south of Benton Harbor on the shores of Lake Michigan and just on the other side of the Paw Paw River is 90.3% white with an annual median household income of $37,032.

All of Detroit's public school teachers were told they would receive layoff notices yesterday, along with the 250 school administrators</div></div>

Interesting point.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">During the last contract negotiation in 2009, Bobb wanted the union to give up the seniority process so that administrators could hire or fire teachers regardless of experience. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>The union balked, <u>but agreed to $90 million in concessions, including teachers deferring $10,000 in pay for two years. That money goes into an account, allowing the district to use it to pay bills,</u> but employees are supposed to get it back when they exit the district.</span>

Carla Henry, a high school special education teacher, said Thursday that teachers already gave up so much in the 2009 contract and she's angry that Bobb is now coming back and saying there will be more changes. She was among those who voted no to that contract.

"I personally feel this was a garbage contract," Henry said. "We were bamboozled. Now, the proof is in the pudding."

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Henry said she is disheartened because she believes teachers are under attack across the country.

"We're just being walked all over, when we are the ones who help educate everyone else to get to the positions they're in, including the emergency financial manager. It took a teacher to educate him," she said.</span> </div></div>

Q

LWW
04-17-2011, 04:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you make a claim, you post a link.

Q </div></div>

Qtec
04-17-2011, 05:40 AM
link (http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/michigans-governor-exercises-emergency-powe)

Was that it?

All you needed to do was paste this into google.

"Michigan's Governor Exercises "Emergency Powers" and the link I provided <span style='font-size: 14pt'>is TOP of the list!</span>

Too tricky for you? Thought so.

Q

LWW
04-17-2011, 05:56 AM
So, you used "CROOKS AND LIARS" where they quoted a moonbat crazy leftist blog and cut and pasted the piece in a manner which lamely attempted to give it credibility?

Imagine that.

And, even they linked in your "PRROOF" to the actual truth:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Detroit Public Schools enrollment has been on a steady decline in part because the city is shrinking—Reuters reported a city population decline of 25 percent in the last year alone. And as DPS sheds about 8,000 students a year, the city’s charter schools network is flourishing. Charters are publicly funded but independently run schools whose faculty are typically not unionized. According to the New York Times, there are as many students enrolled in charter schools as there are in traditional public schools, and there’s even talk of converting the entire district to charter school control. </div></div>
OH DEAR! (http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/04/all_5466_of_detroit_public_school_teachers_to_rece ive_layoff_notices.html)

pooltchr
04-17-2011, 07:27 AM
Funny how things change when <u>ALL</u> the facts are presented.

Steve

LWW
04-17-2011, 07:43 AM
This is where Snoopy declares that the topic was actually the price of radishes in Rhodesia.

Gayle in MD
04-17-2011, 09:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> April 16, 2011 12:00 PM
<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Michigan's Governor Exercises "Emergency Powers" to Break Union Contracts</span>
By karoli

Benton, Michigan's city government <span style='font-size: 14pt'>was shut down yesterday by the state Emergency Financial Manager.</span> Elected officials in that city are now limited to calling a meeting, adjourning a meeting, and approving minutes of a meeting. Beyond that, they can do nothing.

Eclectablog:

This is a complete disenfranchisement of an entire community, an entire large city in my state. The voters are now denied the ability to be governed by the people they elected in a democratic election.

This is nothing short of an abridgment of democracy in raw form.

I will have more as this develops. I can only assume a lawsuit will be forthcoming. The news is so fresh it has not yet hit the major news outlets.

[...]

Interesting statistic: Benton Harbor is 92.4% African American with an annual median household income of $17,471 with 42.6% of the population below the poverty line. St. Joseph, the next city south of Benton Harbor on the shores of Lake Michigan and just on the other side of the Paw Paw River is 90.3% white with an annual median household income of $37,032.

All of Detroit's public school teachers were told they would receive layoff notices yesterday, along with the 250 school administrators</div></div>

Interesting point.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">During the last contract negotiation in 2009, Bobb wanted the union to give up the seniority process so that administrators could hire or fire teachers regardless of experience. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>The union balked, <u>but agreed to $90 million in concessions, including teachers deferring $10,000 in pay for two years. That money goes into an account, allowing the district to use it to pay bills,</u> but employees are supposed to get it back when they exit the district.</span>

Carla Henry, a high school special education teacher, said Thursday that teachers already gave up so much in the 2009 contract and she's angry that Bobb is now coming back and saying there will be more changes. She was among those who voted no to that contract.

"I personally feel this was a garbage contract," Henry said. "We were bamboozled. Now, the proof is in the pudding."

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Henry said she is disheartened because she believes teachers are under attack across the country.

"We're just being walked all over, when we are the ones who help educate everyone else to get to the positions they're in, including the emergency financial manager. It took a teacher to educate him," she said.</span> </div></div>

Q </div></div>

You know, in the end, the really good teachers, will leave the Red States, where the Republican governors are trying to destroy the Teacher's Unions.

The fact is, the best scores, are from the states with the strongest teacher's Unions.

Repiglicans are always moving their line around. They pretend to understand business, but they skip past the whole, "You get what you pay for" concept.

THERE AREN'T MANY "GROUPS" LEFT, FOR THE RADICAL RW-ERS IN THE FLY-OVER STATES, TO HATE!

The way they are slandering our teachers, and trying to throw the elderly off their medicare, and proving over and over, their racist attitudes, who will be voting Repiglican????

I don't think there are enough crooked CEO's in Repiglicans pockets, to fooset our vast Middle Class, our elderly, Gay and Lesbian, Hispanic, Athiest, and Muslim, populations.

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LWW
04-17-2011, 10:11 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The fact is, the best scores, are from the states with the strongest teacher's Unions.</div></div>

Obey the Snoop!


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you make a claim, you post a link.

Q </div></div>

pooltchr
04-17-2011, 11:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

You know, in the end, the really good teachers, will leave the Red States, where the Republican governors are trying to destroy the Teacher's Unions.



</div></div>

The really good teachers have nothing to fear. It's the substandard teachers who keep their jobs only because the unions have made it too difficult to get rid of them.

Good teachers will remain wherever they choose to live. The poor ones will be forced to go where they can still get job protection from the union thugs, or get on the stick and improve their personal performance, or find a new career.

Steve

cushioncrawler
04-17-2011, 06:03 PM
The poor are on the wrong side of the Paw Paw.

The mafia in the usofa haz in the past taken over and bankrupted a municipality or two.
The gop are the new mafia -- they might bankrupt the whole kuntry -- wow, how many municipalytys iz that.
go go go -- go Gop.
go go go -- go Gop.
go go go -- go Gop.
mac.

Qtec
04-18-2011, 01:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is where Snoopy declares that the topic was actually the price of radishes in Rhodesia. </div></div>

The topic.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is a complete disenfranchisement of an entire community, an entire large city in my state. <u>The voters are now denied the ability to be governed by the people they elected in a democratic election.</u>

This is nothing short of an abridgment of democracy in raw form. </div></div>

Q

LWW
04-18-2011, 03:19 AM
So the people of Michigan don't elect the governor of Michigan?

When did they change that?

eg8r
04-18-2011, 07:35 AM
Why get pissy when he was quoting you?

eg8r

Qtec
04-18-2011, 07:38 AM
He asked, I answered. Is that getting pissy?

I just clarified the point of the post.

Q

Qtec
04-18-2011, 07:40 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So the people of Michigan don't elect the governor of Michigan?

When did they change that? </div></div>

They elected a governor, not an Oberführer .


Q

eg8r
04-18-2011, 07:40 AM
Yes, your answer was pissy. You mentioned something about him having to google it. Well, if you would man up and do what you say he would not have had to quote you.

eg8r

LWW
04-18-2011, 03:27 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why get pissy when he was quoting you?

eg8r </div></div>

Why does an alligator bite?

LWW
04-18-2011, 03:28 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So the people of Michigan don't elect the governor of Michigan?

When did they change that? </div></div>

They elected a governor, not an Oberführer .


Q </div></div>

What law is being violated?