View Full Version : Yet another Obama WTF?

04-28-2011, 06:27 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Today, Barack Obama blinked – releasing birth records he has hired lawyers to prevent the public from seeing, even at the expense of allowing U.S. Army Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin to be court-martialed and sent to prison for having dared ask questions the White House until now has resolutely dismissed with ridicule and disdain.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>A key problem for Obama is that birth certificates issued to twin girls born one day later at Kapi'olani hospital, the Nordykes, are the Rosetta Stone of deciphering both Obama's previously released short-form Certification of Live Birth and the newly released purported copy of his long-form birth certificate.</span>

The problem since the short-form certificate was released during the 2008 presidential campaign has always been this:

As WND reported, <span style='font-size: 11pt'>the long-form birth certificates issued by Kapi'olani to the Nordyke twins have certificate numbers lower than the number given Obama, even though the president purportedly was born at the same hospital a day earlier than the Nordykes.

Note, Susan Nordyke, the first twin, was born at 2:12 p.m. Hawaii time Aug. 5, 1961, and was given certificate No. 151 – 61 – 10637, which was filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.

Gretchen Nordyke, the second twin, was born at 2:17 p.m. Hawaii time Aug. 5, 1961, and was given certificate No. 151 – 61 – 10638, which was also filed with the Hawaii registrar Aug. 11, 1961.</span>

Yet, according to the Certification of Live Birth displayed by FactCheck.org during the 2008 presidential campaign – and now according to the long-form birth certificate the White House released today – <span style='font-size: 11pt'>Barack Obama was given a higher certificate number than the Nordykes.

Note, Obama was given certificate No. 151 – 1961 – 10641, even though he was born Aug. 4, 1961, the day before the Nordyke twins, and his birth was registered with the Hawaii Department of Health registrar three days earlier, Aug. 8, 1961.

In 1961, the birth certificate numbers were not assigned by the hospitals.

Instead, the numbers were stamped to the birth record by the Hawaii Department of Health at the main office in Honolulu.

This is the only place birth certificate numbers were assigned.</span>

At the last step of the process, the documents were accepted by the registrar general, with the date of registration inserted in box No. 22 on the lower right hand corner of the long-form birth certificate.

The date the birth document was accepted by the registrar general was the date the birth certificate number was stamped on the birth record.

The birth certificate number was stamped on the form by a rubber stamp that automatically increased by one each time a birth certificate was stamped.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>The question, therefore, is how was it possible that the Nordyke twins had their birth certificates accepted by the registrar general in Hawaii three days later than the registrar general accepted Obama's birth certificate, when the twins' numbers are lower than Obama's number?</span>

Here are the Nordyke twins birth certificates:


Eleanor Nordyke has speculated that her twins received an earlier birth certificate number because, although she gave birth later than Ann Dunham, she entered Kapi'olani earlier.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Yet, in 1961, birth certificate numbers were not assigned by the hospital, and the date the mother checked into the medical facility was irrelevant to how birth certificate numbers were assigned.</span>

Moreover, no records for Dunham having been a patient at Kapi'olani in 1961, or of Obama having been born at the hospital on Aug. 4, 1961, have been released by the hospital.

Now that President Obama has personally vouched for the authenticity of the birth certificate the White House released today, he can reasonably be asked to authorize Kapi'olani Medical Center to release any and all medical records the hospital may hold for his mother and Barack Obama Sr., his listed father.

The debate over Obama's eligibility to be president has truly only just begun, with Obama's status having changed overnight from a bemused observer to a full-contact participant.

Two weeks before the publication of my book "Where's the Birth Certificate?" the effort to document Obama's past has begun in earnest.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Fundamentally, the world changed for Barack Obama this morning, not just in increasing pressure for the release of the many hidden documents about his past, but in the inescapable reality that the White House must defend this newly released birth certificate as authentic.</span>

Before today, Obama may have attempted to explain away problems with the short-form Certification of Live Birth as the work of his supporters.

Before today, the president largely remained above the fray. Now, he has fully engaged in the presentation and defense of his birth records and his status as a "natural born citizen" under Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution.

Obama's presidency now depends upon the White House being able to support the veracity of all the information contained in the birth document released yesterday morning.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>In the final analysis, proof that the document is an authentic Obama birth record will await forensic examination.</span>

Read more: What is it about twin girls born day after Obama? http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292457#ixzz1KotE88T0 </div></div>

And, so far, this document has failed miserably.

04-28-2011, 06:40 AM
Uh oh, factcheck.org is their holy grail and it does not appear to be making their lives any easier right now. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif


04-28-2011, 10:35 AM

It never ends.

04-29-2011, 04:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Uh oh, factcheck.org is their holy grail and <u>it does not appear to be making their lives any easier right now.</u> /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

eg8r </div></div>

FactCheck (http://factcheck.org/2011/04/indeed-born-in-the-u-s-a/)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 20pt'>Indeed, Born in the U.S.A.</span>

April 27, 2011
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President Barack Obama released the long-form version of his birth certificate today, <span style='font-size: 20pt'>yet another piece of concrete evidence that shows he was born in the United States.</span> The White House said he received a special exemption from the Hawaii Department of Health, which keeps the long-form documents confidential.

In remarks to the press today, Obama said that his campaign had already released his birth certificate in 2008. And, in fact, FactCheck.org staffers handled, examined and photographed the "certification of live birth." That short-form document is what Hawaii releases to citizens who request a copy of their birth certificate, and we confirmed that it meets legal requirements for proving citizenship and obtaining a passport. We concluded: "Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said."

If that wasn’t enough, Hawaii newspapers had run birth announcements in August 1961, shortly after Obama’s birth.

And on top of that, Chiyome Fukino, the then-director of Hawaii’s Department of Health, released a statement in 2008, saying she had seen the original birth certificate on file verifying that Obama was born in Hawaii. Fukino released a second statement in 2009, saying that Obama "is a natural-born American citizen." </div></div>


04-29-2011, 04:46 AM
AND if you can't believe Fukino....then who the Fukino can you believe? Even Jesse Ventura couldn't "trump" this "conspiracy theory"

04-29-2011, 05:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">AND if you can't believe Fukino....then who the Fukino can you believe? </div></div>

Ha......... LMAO

Why it will never end.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who Said It’s Over? Fox’s Eric Bolling Questions Authenticity Of Birth Certificate

To answer the question of why some stories will never ever die, last night on Follow the Money, host Eric Bolling invited political activist and “Birther” crusader Pamela Geller on to analyze the authenticity of the long-form birth certificate released yesterday by President Obama. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Geller not only thanked Donald Trump and bemoaned “how the media protects [Obama],” but she also thought there was a possibility that this document was altered. <u>Here we go again.</u>
Geller argued that before she makes a hasty judgment about its legitimacy, this certificate needs a digital forensic examination analysis. After all she does have to maintain her credibility. And since she claims to have already “exposed” how Obama’s short-form birth certificate was altered, she has serious worries about this new document too. Geller already believes the border on this long-form is “suspect.” Oddly, Bolling has some questions too.

Bolling commented on how strange it was that the family of the doctor in Hawaii who delivered Obama were clueless about Obama’s birth and he wondered, “if you gave birth to the President of the United States, don’t you think your family would know about it?” Then after Geller made her case, Bolling concluded about whether the document was altered,<u> “it may or may not be, but it certainly opens up the can of worms that there are at least questions for it.” </u></div></div>

watch it (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/who-said-its-over-foxs-eric-bolling-questions-authenticity-of-birth-certificate/)


04-29-2011, 05:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">AND if you can't believe Fukino....then who the Fukino can you believe? </div></div>

Being that the document she says she saw wasn't the document presented, I would say that either Fukino orthe regime is telling tales, or both:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Before she would do so, Fukino said, she wanted to inspect the files — and did so, taking with her the state official in charge of vital records. <span style='font-size: 11pt'>She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files.</span></div></div>

My source?
MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics/)

04-29-2011, 06:05 AM
http://headlines.verizon.com/headlines/p...article=3426918 (http://headlines.verizon.com/headlines/portals/headlines.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=headlines_portal_page_politics_article&_article=3426918)

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WASHINGTON - Now the big question is how many Americans will reject the official birth record proving that Barack Obama was born in the United States and still insist on believing - despite every fact in evidence - that he was born in a foreign land and thus not eligible under the Constitution to be president?
Some fringe of the nation's population almost surely will never be convinced, analysts said, but Obama evidently felt enough pressure to try to take the issue off the table after letting it fester for more than two years.

On Wednesday the president released the long-form version of his Hawaii birth certificate. His lawyer formally requested two certified copies on April 22 and picked them up Tuesday.

"Yes, in fact, I was born in Hawaii, August 4, 1961, in Kapiolani Hospital," Obama said in the White House briefing room, looking somewhat incredulous to be making such a statement. Hawaiian officials, a short-form official birth certificate, local newspaper reports of his birth and fact-checking expeditions by news media long ago had confirmed his Hawaiian birth, but some conservative politicians and media commentators refused to accept it.

"Normally, I would not comment on something like this," Obama said, but he said he felt compelled to try to put the issue to rest after questions about his birth certificate drowned out news coverage of the deficit crisis.

"We do not have time for this kind of silliness," the president said. "We're not going to be able to solve our problems if we get distracted by sideshows and carnival barkers."

It was a weird controversy to dog a president who is mired in military conflicts in three Muslim lands as the Arab world writhes in turmoil and the U.S. economy remains shaky, but it wouldn't go away. A USA Today poll released this week found that just 38 percent of Americans believed that Obama definitely was born in the United States.

Analysts disagreed over the episode's political significance.

Aides to the president denied that Obama feared that the controversy could hurt his re-election bid. Dan Pfeiffer, the White House communications director, said it was "probably in his long-term political interests to allow this 'birther' debate to dominate discussion in the Republican Party for months to come. But he thought, even though it might have been good politics, he thought it was bad for the country."

However Dan Schnur, a former Republican consultant who now directs the University of Southern California's Unruh Institute of Politics, said that explanation seemed hollow: "As long as it made Obama's critics look like extremists, they were happy to let the issue rage. Whether it's driven by Donald Trump or mainstream media coverage or a combination of both, the number of Americans who are uncertain about his birth status has been growing. The White House would never have taken this step if they didn't think it was hurting the president politically."

By putting the new documentation out there, Schnur said, "in the long run it gets a growing problem out of the way."

Maybe. Perhaps Obama gained credibility with some. But then again, maybe he just spun the story's news cycle another round.

Julian Zelizer, a Princeton University historian, said Obama's aides might think that "for at least a moderate voter it will reiterate the argument that some people in the Republican Party are real extremists" and "here's the president being the responsible figure and revealing what the opposition is all about."

But Zelizer isn't convinced that the president's move was wise.

"The smart thing would have been to continue to ignore it, or deal with it back during the campaign," he said. "Doing it now was a bit odd. The supporters of Obama will say, 'Why are you caving in to this kind of debate?' and the opportunists will probably just use it somehow to say is he up to something.

"In the end, the birthers will continue to raise questions about this document."

Did all the squawking over the president's place of birth overwhelm public debate on serious subjects? That's a matter of interpretation.

A weekly news analysis by the Pew Research Center's Project for Excellence in Journalism found that coverage of Obama's birthplace composed less than 3 percent of the news the week of April 18-24.

However, Trump, the TV-celebrity businessman who is relishing tons of free news coverage for sounding off about politics, was the second leading newsmaker last week, behind only the president. And Trump focused a lot on questioning Obama's birthplace. Deficit-related coverage, meanwhile, sank last week to only 8 percent of news.

Whatever the president's reason for finally issuing his birth certificate, it provided an extraordinary morning of political theater. During the 2008 campaign, Obama released a short-form certificate of live birth, which Hawaii treats as the legal version of a birth certificate. State officials confirmed the document's legitimacy.

Getting the state to release the long-form version was more complicated. The president and his lawyers had to write to the state to seek a waiver to release it. Obama's personal attorney Judith Corley flew to Hawaii to bring back two certified copies herself, returning Tuesday evening.

One copy was on display Wednesday in White House press secretary Jay Carney's office, while the other remained in the custody of White House Counsel Bob Bauer.

Trump, speaking before TV cameras in New Hampshire, said he was "really proud" to have forced the president to produce the information, and that Obama should have done so "a long time ago." Trump also said "I'd want to look at it" before accepting the document's legitimacy, but added that he hopes to move on to more important issues.

Schnur said the birth certificate "actually may remove a potential headache for the more establishment Republican candidates. They don't have to worry about whether or not to appease the skeptics on this anymore. This puts the birthers back in the category of the truthers. Someone who still believes Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii becomes the equivalent of someone who believes George Bush ordered planes to be flown into the World Trade Center."


04-29-2011, 06:14 AM
Is not the recent BC from Obama,

"She found the original birth record,<u> properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files.</u>"

BTW, the header from your link is,

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <span style='font-size: 20pt'>Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims


As the top Hawaiian official in charge of state health records in 2008, when the issue of Obama's birth first arose, Fukino said she thought she had put the matter to rest. Contacted by NBC, Fukino expanded on previous public statements and made two key points when asked about Trump's recent comments.

<span style='font-size: 20pt'>The first is that the original so-called "long form" birth certificate — described by Hawaiian officials as a "record of live birth" — absolutely exists, <span style="color: #990000">located in a bound volume</span> in a file cabinet on the first floor of the state Department of Health. Fukimo said she has personally inspected it — twice.</span> The first time was in late October 2008, during the closing days of the presidential campaign, when the communications director for the state's then Republican governor, Linda Lingle (who appointed Fukino) asked if she could make a public statement in response to claims then circulating on the Internet that Obama was actually born in Kenya. </div></div>

Bound in a book.



04-29-2011, 06:31 AM
Not handwritten at all.

Thanks for having my back on that Snoopy.

04-29-2011, 07:03 AM
Forgot a bit did you?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>half typed</span> and half handwritten </div></div>

Q..........obviously,.....LWW can't find his spectacles.

04-29-2011, 02:14 PM
And it wasn't half hand written.

In fact, other than the signature, it wasn't any hand written.

I still say dear leader was most likely born in the USA ... that something devastating is in the file ... that this is the second fake ... and that if he gave you something written on the back of a bar napkin you would accept it.

The real problem is that we have, at best, a total looney in the White House.

04-30-2011, 01:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And it wasn't half hand written.

In fact, other than the signature, it wasn't any hand written.

I still say dear leader was most likely born in the USA ... that something devastating is in the file ... that this is the second fake ... and that if he gave you something written on the back of a bar napkin you would accept it.

The real problem is that we have, at best, a total looney in the White House. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 11pt'>I know that there’s going to be a segment of people for which, </span><span style='font-size: 14pt'>no matter what we put out, this issue will not be put to rest. </span> But I’m speaking to the vast majority of the American people, as well as to the press. We do not have time for this kind of silliness. </div></div>


04-30-2011, 02:51 AM
Just deal with the truth, this cannot possibly be the document that she swore she saw.