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Sev
05-02-2011, 05:49 PM
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<span style="color: #000000"><span style='font-size: 17pt'>Did Senior Military/Intelligence Officials Overrule President Obama Regarding Mission to Kill Osama Bin Laden?</span>
by Ulsterman in Issues, May 2, 2011

A reluctant American president who was ultimately overridden by senior military and intelligence officials to finally take out terrorist Osama Bin Laden…

Note: This communication came from our long time D.C. Insider and details previous and ongoing conflicts surrounding the decision to assassinate terrorist Osama Bin Laden. This has been reproduced here as originally communicated to us.

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Please get this out ASAP. Want specific people to know we know.

RE Osama Bin Laden. Significant push to take him out months ago. Senior WH staff resisted. This was cause of much strain between HC and Obama/Jarrett. HC and LP were in constant communication over matter – both attempted to convince administration to act. Administration feared failure and resulting negative impact on president. Intel disgusted over politics over national security. Staff resigned/left. Check timeline to corroborate.

Now Intel already leaking to media facts surrounding how info obtained. Namely from enhanced interrogation efforts via GITMO prisoners. Obama administration placed in corner on this. Some media aware of danger to president RE this and attempting protection. Others looking for further investigation. We are pushing for them to follow through and already meeting with some access.
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Point of determination made FOR Obama not BY Obama. Will clarify as details become more clear. Very clear divide between Military and WH. Jarrett marginalized 100% on decision to take out OBL. She played no part. BD worked with LP and HC to form coalition to force CoC to engage.

IMPORTANT SPECIFIC: When 48 hour go order issued, CoC was told, not requested. Administration scrambled to abort. That order was overruled. This order did not originate from CoC. Repeat – this order did not originate from CoC. He complied, but did not originate.

Independent military contacts have confirmed. Stories corroborate one another. This is legit.

The killing of Osama Bin Laden was in fact a Coup within Obama WH.

Speaking with additional contacts RE info.

Stay safe.

________________

HC = Hillary Clinton

BD = Bill Daley

LP = Leon Panetta

CoC = Chain of Command/Commander inChief
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wolfdancer
05-02-2011, 09:03 PM
I didn't read your article, but isn't that what a good Intelligence Officer would do, if he felt the President was on an errant path?
Compare that to GWB telling his people..."don't hand me that piece of paper( the Constitution) I am Il Douche, er,...Il Duce !!!)

LWW
05-03-2011, 04:19 AM
I was discussing that with some friends last night ... this was so un-Obama.

Qtec
05-03-2011, 04:51 AM
What a load of crap.

How can military commanders overrule the Commander in Chief?

Simple answer is.................they can't!

Q

LWW
05-03-2011, 05:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What a load of crap.

How can military commanders overrule the Commander in Chief?

Simple answer is.................they can't!

Q </div></div>

It's too bad nobody told these guys:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Afghanistan

1919 - Feb 20th: Nasrullah Khan overthrows Habibullah Khan[1]
1919 - Feb 28th: Amanullah Khan overthrows Nasrullah Khan[2]
1929 - Jan 17th: Habibullah Kalakani overthrows King Inayatullah Khan[3]
1929 - Oct 16th: Mohammed Nadir Shah overthrows King Habibullah Kalakani[4]
1973 - Jul 17th: Mohammed Daoud Khan overthrows King Mohammad Zahir Shah[5]
1978 - Apr 30th: Nur Muhammad Taraki overthrows Mohammed Daoud Khan[6]
1979 - Sep 16th: Hafizullah Amin overthrows Nur Muhammad Taraki[7]
1979 - Dec 27th: Babrak Karmal overthrows Hafizullah Amin[8]
1986 - May 4th: Mohammed Najibullah overthrows Babrak Karmal[9]
1992 - Apr 28th: Sibghatullah Mojaddedi overthrows Abdul Rahmin Hatef[10]
1996 - Sep 27th: Mohammed Omar overthrows Burhanuddin Rabbani[11]
2001 - Nov 13th: Northern Alliance overthrows Mohammed Omar[12]
[edit]Algeria

1965 - Jun 19th; Houari Boumedienne overthrows Ahmed Ben Bella[13]
1992 - Jan 11th: Khaled Nezzar overthrows Chadli Bendjedid[14]
[edit]Argentina

September 6, 1930 by José Félix Uriburu against Hipólito Yrigoyen[15]
1943 by Arturo Rawson against Ramón Castillo[16]
1955 by Eduardo Lonardi against Juan Perón[17]
March 1962 against Arturo Frondizi[18]
1966 by Juan Carlos Onganía against Roberto M. Levingston[19]
1976 by Jorge Rafael Videla against Isabel Martínez de Perón[20]
[edit]Azerbaijan

1993 - Jun 9th: Heydar Aliyev overthrows Abülfaz Elçibay[21]
[edit]Bangladesh

August 15, 1975 by army officers against Mujibur Rahman[22]
March 24, 1982 by Hossain Mohammad Ershad against A. F. M. Ahsanuddin Chowdhury[23]
[edit]Benin

1963 - Oct 28th: Christophe Soglo overthrows Hubert Maga [24]
1965 - Nov 27th: Christophe Soglo overthrows Sourou-Migan Apithy [25]
1967 - Dec 16th: Maurice Kouandete overthrows Christophe Soglo [26]
1972 - Oct 26th: Mathieu Kerekou overthrows Justin Ahomadegbe-Tometin [27]
[edit]Bolivia

1899 by José Manuel Pando against Severo Fernández Alonso
1920 by Bautista Saavedra Mallea against José Gutiérrez Guerra
1930 by Carlos Blanco Galindo against Hernando Siles Reyes
1934 by José Luis Tejada Sorzano against Daniel Salamanca Urey
1936 by David Toro Ruilova against José Luis Tejada Sorzano
1937 by Germán Busch Becerra against David Toro Ruilova
1943 by Gualberto Villarroel López against Enrique Peñaranda del Castillo
1946 by an angry mob, Néstor Guillén, and Tomás Monje against Gualberto Villarroel López
1951 by Hugo Ballivián Rojas against Mamerto Urriolagoitia with the support of Urriolagoitia
1952 by Víctor Paz Estenssoro and the Revolutionary Nationalist Movement against Hugo Ballivián Rojas
1964 by René Barrientos against Víctor Paz Estenssoro[28]
1970 by Juan José Torres against Alfredo Ovando Candía
1971 by Hugo Banzer against Juan José Torres[29]
1980 by Luis García Meza Tejada[30]
[edit]Brazil

1889 by Deodoro da Fonseca against Emperor Dom Pedro II of Brazil. [31]
1964 by Humberto de Alencar Castelo Branco against João Goulart[32]
[edit]Bulgaria

1923 by the Army against Aleksandar Stamboliyski
1934 by Kimon Georgiev against Zveno
1944 by Kimon Georgiev against Konstantin Muraviev[33]
[edit]Burkina Faso

1966 - Jan 3rd: Sangoulé Lamizana overthrows Maurice Yameogo [34]
1980 - Nov 25th: Saye Zerbo overthrows Sangoulé Lamizana [35]
1982 - Nov 7th: Jean-Baptiste Ouédraogo overthrows Saye Zerbo[36]
1983 - Aug 4th:Thomas Sankara and Blaise Compaoré overthrow Jean-Baptiste Ouédraogo[37]
1987 - Oct 15th: Blaise Compaoré overthrows Thomas Sankara [38]
[edit]Burma

March 1, 1962 by Ne Win against U Nu[39]
September 18, 1988 by Saw Maung against Maung Maung Kha[40]
[edit]Burundi

1966 - Jul 8th: Ntare V overthrows Mwambutsa IV[41]
1966 - Nov 28th: Michel Micombero overthrows Ntare V of Burundi[41]
1976 - Nov 10th: Jean-Baptiste Bagaza overthrows Michel Micombero[42]
1987 - Sep 9th: Pierre Buyoya overthrows Jean-Baptiste Bagaza[43]
1996 - Jul 25th: Pierre Buyoya overthrows Sylvestre Ntibantunganya [44]
[edit]Cambodia

1970 by Lon Nol against King Norodom Sihanouk[45]
1993 by King Norodom Sihanouk against Hun Sen
1997 by Hun Sen against Prince Norodom Ranariddh (Norodom Sihamoni became King in 2004)
[edit]Central African Republic

1966 - Jan 1st: Jean-Bédel Bokassa overthrows David Dacko[46]
1979 - Sep 21st: David Dacko overthrows Emperor Jean-Bédel Bokassa[47]
1981 - Sep 1st: André Kolingba overthrows David Dacko[48]
2003 - Mar 15th: François Bozizé overthrows Ange-Felix Patasse[49]
[edit]Chad

1975 - Apr 13th: Noël Milarew Odingar overthrows François Tombalbaye[50]
1982 - Jun 7th: Hissene Habre overthrows Goukouni Oueddi[51]
1990 - Dec 1st: Idriss Deby overthrows Hissene Habre[52]
[edit]Chile

January 23, 1925 by Carlos Ibáñez del Campo and Marmaduke Grove Vallejo against Luis Altamirano Talavera[53]
September 11, 1973 by Augusto Pinochet against Salvador Allende[54]
[edit]Ciskei

1990 - Mar 4th: Oupa Gqozo overthrows Lennox Sebe[55]
[edit]Colombia

June 1953 by Gustavo Rojas Pinilla against Laureano Gómez[56]
[edit]Comoros

1975 - Aug 3rd: Said Mohamed Jaffar and Bob Denard overthrow Ahmed Abdallah[57]
1978 - May 23rd: Ahmed Abdallah and Bob Denard overthrow Ali Soilih[58]
1989 - Nov 26th: Said Mohamed Djohar and Bob Denard overthrow Ahmed Abdallah[59]
1995 - Sep 28th: Bob Denard overthrows Said Mohamed Djohar for 7 days.[60]
1999 - Apr 30th: Azali Assoumani overthrows Tadjidine Ben Said Massounde[61]
[edit]Congo

1963 - Aug 15th: Alphonse Massemba-Débat overthrows Fulbert Youlou [62]
1968 - Sep 4th: Marien Ngouabi overthrows Alphonse Massemba-Débat[63]
1979 - Feb 8th: Denis Sassou Nguesso overthrows Joachim Yhombi-Opango [64]
1997 - Oct 25th: Denis Sassou Nguesso overthrows Pascal Lissouba[65]
[edit]Democratic Republic of the Congo

1960 - Sep 14th: Mobutu Sese Seko overthrows Patrice Lumumba [66]
1965 - Nov 25th: Mobutu Sese Seko overthrows Joseph Kasa-Vubu[67]
1997 - May 16th: Laurent-Désiré Kabila overthrows Mobutu Sese Seko [68]
[edit]Costa Rica

1870 by Bruno Carranza Ramírez
1876 by Vicente Herrera Zeledón
1917 by Federico Tinoco Granados
[edit]Cote d'Ivoire

1999 - Dec 24th: Robert Guéï overthrows Henri Konan Bedie [69]
2011 - Apr 11th: Alassane Ouattara overthrows Laurent Gbagbo after he refused to transfer power after losing 2010 election [70]
[edit]Cuba

1952 by Fulgencio Batista against Carlos Prío Socarrás
1959 by Fidel Castro against General Fulgencio Batista
[edit]Cyprus

1974 by Nikos Sampson against Archbishop Makarios III
[edit]Czechoslovakia

Czechoslovakia in 1948 by the Communist Party against non-Communists
[edit]Denmark

1660 by Frederick III of Denmark
1772 by Juliana Maria of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel and her son Frederick, Hereditary Prince of Denmark and Norway.
1784 by crownprince Frederick of Denmark.
[edit]Dominican Republic

1849 - May 30th: Pedro Santana overthrows Manuel Jimenes [71]
1858 - Jun 13th: Jose Desiderio Valverde overthrows Buenaventura Baez [72]
1963 under Emilio de los Santos
[edit]Ecuador

1925 by Luis Telmo Paz y Miño
1935 by Federico Páez
1963 by Ramón Castro Jijón
1972 by Guillermo Rodríguez
2000 by Lucio Gutiérrez
[edit]Egypt

1952 - 23 Jul: Muhammad Naguib and Gamal Abdel Nasser overthrow King Farouk I[73]
[edit]El Salvador

1931 by Maximiliano Hernández Martínez
1948 by Manuel de Jesús Córdova
1960
1979
[edit]Equitorial Guinea

1979 - Sep 29th: Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo overthrows Francisco Macias Nguema[74]
[edit]Estonia

1934 by Konstantin Päts[75]
[edit]Ethiopia

1910 - Ras Tessema Nadew and Fitawrawi Habte Giyorgis against Empress Taytu, regent of the incapacitated Emperor Menelik II of Ethiopia
1916 - a group of aristocrats, including Fitawrawi Habte Giyorgis and Ras Tafari Makonnen, against Emperor Iyasu V.
1974 - Sep 12th: Aman Andom overthrows Emperor Haile Selassie I[76]
1974 - Nov 17th: Tafari Benti overthrows Aman Andom[77]
1977 - Feb 3rd: Mengistu Haile Mariam overthrows Tafari Benti[78]
1991 - May 21st: Meles Zenawi and the EPRDF overthrow Mengistu Haile Mariam[79]
[edit]Fiji

1987 - May 14th: Sitiveni Rabuka overthrows Prime Minister Timoci Bavadra[80]
1987 - Sep 28th: Sitiveni Rabuka overthrows Governor General Ratu Sir Penaia Ganilau[81]
2000 - May 19th: George Speight overthrows Mahendra Chaudhry[82]
2006 - Dec 5th: Frank Bainimarama overthrows Josefa Iloilo[83]
[edit]France

1792 by the National Convention against King Louis XVI of France, the French Revolution
1799 by Napoleon Bonaparte (Napoleon I) and the French Consulate against the French Directory
1804 by Emperor Napoleon I against the French Consulate
1815 by Emperor Napoleon I against King Louis XVIII of France
1830 by Louis-Philippe of France against King Charles X of France
1848 by Louis-Eugène Cavaignac and Louis Napoleon (Napoleon III) against King Louis-Philippe of France
1851 by Emperor Napoleon III against Louis-Eugène Cavaignac
1870 by the French Third Republic against Emperor Napoleon III
[edit]Gambia

1994 - Jul 22nd: Yahya Jammeh overthrows Dawda Jawara [84]
[edit]Georgia

1992 - Jan 6th: Tengiz Kitovani and Jaba Ioseliani overthrow Zviad Gamsakhurdia [85]
[edit]Ghana

1966 - Feb 24th: Joseph Arthur Ankrah overthrows Kwame Nkrumah [86]
1972 - Jan 13th: Ignatius Kutu Acheampong overthrows Kofi Abrefa Busia [87]
1978 - Jul 5th: Fred Akuffo overthrows Ignatius Kutu Acheampong [88]
1979 - Jun 4th: Jerry John Rawlings overthrows Fred Akuffo [89]
1981 - Dec 31st: Jerry John Rawlings overthrows Hilla Limann [90]
[edit]Greece

1967 under Georgios Papadopoulos
[edit]Grenada

1979 - Mar 13th: Maurice Bishop overthrows Eric Gairy[91]
1983 - Oct 14th: Bernard Coard overthrows Maurice Bishop[92]
1983 - Oct 19th: Hudson Austin overthrows Bernard Coard[93]
1983 - Oct 25th: US Military overthrows Hudson Austin[94]
[edit]Guam

1898 by José Sisto against Francisco Portusach Martínez
1898 by Venancio Roberto against José Sisto
[edit]Guatemala

1963 under Enrique Peralta Azurdia
1982 under Efraín Ríos Montt
[edit]Guinea

1984 - Apr 3rd: Lansana Conté overthrows Louis Lansana Beavogui [95]
2008 - Dec 24th: Moussa Dadis Camara overthrows Aboubacar Sompare [96]
[edit]Guinea-Bissau

1980 - Nov 14th: João Bernardo Vieira overthrows Luis Cabral[97]
1999 - May 7th: Ansumane Mané overthrows João Bernardo Vieira [98]
2003 - Sep 14th: Veríssimo Correia Seabra overthrows Kumba Iala [99]
[edit]Haiti

1806 - Oct 17th: Henri Christophe and Alexandre Petion overthrow Emperor Jacques I[100]
1843 - Feb 13th: Charles Riviere-Herard overthrows Jean Pierre Boyer[101]
1844 - May 3rd: Philippe Guerrier overthrows Charles Riviere-Herard[102]
1846 - Mar 24th:Jean-Baptiste Riche overthrows Jean-Louis Pierrot[103]
1859 - Jan 15th: Fabre Geffrard overthrows Emperor Faustin I [104]
1867 - Aug 26th: Sylvain Salnave overthrows Fabre Geffrard [105]
1869 - Dec 27th: Nissage Saget overthrows Sylvain Salnave[106]
1876 - Apr 16th: Pierre Theoma Boisrond-Canal overthrows Michel Domingue [107]
1888 - Oct 19th: Francois Denys Legitime overthrows Lysius Salomon[108]
1889 - Oct 17th: Florvil Hyppolite overthrows Francois Denys Legitime[109]
1902 - Dec 21st: Pierre Nord Alexis overthrows Pierre Theoma Boisrond-Canal [110]
1908 - Dec 2nd: Antoine Simon overthrows Pierre Nord Alexis [111]
1911 - Aug 3rd: Cincinnatus Leconte overthrows Antoine Simon [112]
1914 - Jan: Oreste Zamor overthrows Michel Oreste[113]
1914 - Nov 7th: Joseph Davilmar Theodore overthrows Oreste Zamor[114]
1915 - Feb 25th: Vilbrun Guillaume Sam overthrows Joseph Davilmar Theodore[115]
1915 - Jul 28th: Mulatto uprising overthrows and kills Vilbrun Guillaume Sam [116]
1946 - Jan 11th: Dumarsais Estimé overthrows Élie Lescot [117]
1950 - May 10th: Paul Eugène Magloire against Dumarsais Estimé[118]
1956 - Dec 12th: Joseph Nemours Pierre-Louis overthrows Paul Eugène Magloire[119]
1957 - Apr 4th: Leon Cantave overthrows Franck Sylvain[120]
1957 - Jun 14th: Antonio Thrasybule Kebreau overthrows Daniel Fignole [121]
1986 - Feb 7th: Henri Namphy overthrows Jean-Claude Duvalier[122]
1988 - Feb 7th: Prosper Avril overthrows Henri Namphy [123]
1991 - Sep 30th: Raoul Cédras overthrows Jean-Bertrand Aristide [124]
2004 - Feb 29th: Haiti uprising overthrows Jean-Bertrand Aristide[125]
[edit]Honduras

1956
1963 under Oswaldo López Arellano
1972 under Oswaldo López Arellano
1975 under Juan Alberto Melgar Castro
1978 under Policarpo Paz García
2009 by the army led by General Romeo Vasquez Velasquez against Manuel Zelaya. Opinion is divided as to whether or not it was a coup.
[edit]Hungary

1944 under Ferenc Szálasi against Regent Miklós Horthy
1944 under Béla Miklós against Ferenc Szálasi
[edit]Indonesia

1965 - Sep 30th: Suharto overthrows Sukarno[126]
[edit]Iran

1921 by Reza Shah Pahlavi against Ahmad Shah Qajar
1953 by Mohammad Reza Pahlavi against Mohammed Mossadegh
[edit]Iraq

1936 - Oct 20th: Bakr Sidqi overthrows Yasin al-Hashimi[127]
1941 - Apr 1st: Rashid Ali Al-Gaylani overthrows 'Abd al-Ilah[128]
1958 - Jul 14th: Abdul Karim Qassim against King Faisal II[129]
1963 - Feb 8th: Abdul Salam Arif overthrows Abdul Karim Qassim[130]
1968 - Jul 16th: Ahmad Hassan al-Bakr overthrows Abdul Rahman Arif[131]
1979 - Jul 16th: Sadam Hussein overthrows Ahmad Hassan al-Bakr [132]
[edit]Italy

1922 by King Victor Emmanuel III and Benito Mussolini against Luigi Facta
1943 by King Victor Emmanuel III and General Pietro Badoglio against fascist dictator Benito Mussolini
[edit]South Korea

1961 under Park Chung Hee
1979 under Chun Doo-hwan
[edit]Kyrgyzstan

2010 against Kurmanbek Bakiyev
[edit]Laos

1960 under Kong Le
[edit]Latvia

1934 under Kārlis Ulmanis
[edit]Lesotho

1986 - Jan 18th: Justin Metsing Lekhanya overthrows Leabua Jonathan[133]
1990 - Nov 12th: Justin Metsing Lekhanya overthrows King Moshoeshoe II[134]
1991 - May 2nd: Elias Phisoana Ramaema overthrows Justin Metsing Lekhanya[135]
[edit]Liberia

1980 - Apr 12th: Staff Sergeant Samuel K. Doe overthrows President William R. Tolbert, Jr. [136]
1990 - Sep 9th: Prince Johnson overthrows President Samuel K. Doe [137]
[edit]Libya

1969 - Sep 1st: Muammar al-Gaddafi overthrows King Idris I of Libya[138]
[edit]Lithuania

1926 under Antanas Smetona
[edit]Madagascar

1972 - Oct 11th: Gabriel Ramanantsoa overthrows Philibert Tsiranana [139]
1975 - Feb 5th: Richard Ratsimandrava overthrows Gabriel Ramanantsoa [140]
2002 - Feb 25th: Marc Ravalomanana overthrows Didier Ratsiraka [141]
2009 - Mar 17th: Andry Rajoelina overthrows Marc Ravalomanana [142]
[edit]Mali

1968 - Nov 19th: Moussa Traoré overthrows Modibo Keita [143]
1991 - Mar 26th: Amadou Toumani Touré overthrows Moussa Traoré[144]
[edit]Mauretania

1978 - Jul 10th: Mustafa Ould Salek overthrows Moktar Ould Daddah [145]
1979 - Apr 6th: Ahmad Ould Bouceif and Mohamed Khouna Ould Haidallah overthrow Mustafa Ould Salek [146]
1980 - Jan 4th: Mohamed Khouna Ould Haidallah overthrows Mohamed Mahmoud Ould Louly [147]
1984 - Dec 12th: Maaouya Ould Sid'Ahmed Taya overthrows Mohamed Khouna Ould Haidallah [148]
2005 - Aug 3rd: Ely Ould Mohamed Vall overthrows Maaouya Ould Sid'Ahmed Taya[149]
2008 - Aug 6th: Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz overthrows Sidi Ould Cheikh Abdallahi [150]
[edit]Mexico

1876 by Porfirio Díaz against Sebastián Lerdo de Tejada
1911 by Francisco I. Madero against Porfirio Díaz (and Francisco León de la Barra)
1913 by Victoriano Huerta (and Pedro Lascuráin) against Francisco I. Madero
1915 by Venustiano Carranza and others against Victoriano Huerta
1920 by Adolfo de la Huerta against Venustiano Carranza
[edit]Nicaragua

1856 under William Walker
1944 by Anastasio Somoza García for Benjamín Lacayo Sacasa against Leonardo Argüello Barreto
[edit]Niger

1974 - Apr 15th: Seyni Kountché overthrows Hamani Diori [151]
1996 - Jan 27th: Ibrahim Baré Maïnassara overthrows Mahamane Ousmane [152]
1999 - Apr 9th: Daouda Malam Wanke overthrows Ibrahim Baré Maïnassara [153]
2010 - Feb 18th: Salou Djibo overthrows Mamadou Tandja [154]
[edit]Nigeria

1966 - Jan 15th: Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu overthrows Abubakar Tafawa Balewa[155]
1966 - Jul 29th: Yakubu Gowon overthrows Johnson Aguiyi-Ironsi [156]
1975 - Jul 29th: Murtala Mohammed overthrows Yakubu Gowon [157]
1983 - Dec 31st: Muhammadu Buhari overthrows Shehu Shagari [158]
1985 - Aug 27th: Ibrahim Babangida overthrows Muhammadu Buhari [159]
1993 - Nov 17th: Sani Abacha overthrows Ernest Shonekan [160]
[edit]Oman

1970 under Qaboos bin Said
[edit]Panama

1968 by Omar Torrijos against President Arnulfo Arias Madrid
[edit]Pakistan

1958 by Field Marshal Ayub Khan against Iskander Mirza
1977 by General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq against Zulfikar Ali Bhutto
1999 by General Pervez Musharraf against Nawaz Sharif
[edit]Paraguay

1989 under Andrés Rodríguez
[edit]Peru

1914 under Óscar Benavides
1919 under Augusto B. Leguía y Salcedo
1930 under Luis Miguel Sánchez Cerro
1948 under Manuel A. Odría
1962 under Ricardo Pérez Godoy
1968 under Juan Velasco Alvarado
1992 under Alberto Fujimori (dissolved Parliament)
[edit]Poland

1926 under Józef Piłsudski
1981 under Wojciech Jaruzelski
[edit]Portugal

1926 under Gomes da Costa
1974 under António de Spínola
[edit]Romania

1866 by the "Monstrous Coalition" of Liberals and Conservatives against prince Alexander John Cuza
1938 by King Carol II of Romania against Corneliu Zelea Codreanu and the Iron Guard
1940 by Ion Antonescu against King Carol II of Romania
1944 by King Michael I of Romania and Constantin Sănătescu against Ion Antonescu
1947 by Petru Groza against King Michael I of Romania
1989 by the National Salvation Front against Nicolae Ceauşescu
[edit]Russia

1917 - Mar 15th: The Russian Provisional Government overthrows Tsar Nicholas II of Russia[161]
1917 - Nov 7th: Vladimir Lenin overthrows Alexander Kerensky[162]
1964 - Oct 14th: Leonid Brezhnev overthrows Nikita Khrushchev[163]
1991 - Aug 19th: Gennady Yanayev overthrows Mikhail Gorbachev for 2 days[164]
[edit]Rwanda

1973 - Jul 5th: Juvénal Habyarimana overthrows Gregoire Kayibanda[165]
1994 - Apr 6th: Theoneste Bagosura overthrows Juvénal Habyarimana[166]
1994 - Jul 4th: Paul Kagame and the RPF overthrow Theoneste Bagosura[167]
[edit]Sao Tome and Principe

1995 - Aug 15th: Manuel Quintas de Almeida overthrows Miguel Trovoada for 6 days [168]
2003 - Jul 16th: Fernando Pereira overthrows Fradique de Menezes for 7 days [169]
[edit]Seychelles

1977 - Jun 5th: France-Albert René overthrows James Mancham[170]
[edit]Sierra Leone

1967 - Mar 21st: David Lansana overthrows Siaka Stevens [171]
1968 - Apr 19th: John Amadu Bangura overthrows Andrew Juxon-Smith [172]
1992 - Apr 29th: Valentine Strasser overthrows Joseph Saidu Momoh [173]
1996 - Jan 16th: Julius Maada Bio overthrows Valentine Strasser [174]
1997 - May 25th: Johnny Paul Koroma overthrows Ahmed Tejan Kabbah [175]
1998 - Feb 12th: ECOMOG overthrows Johnny Paul Koroma [176]
[edit]Solomon Islands

2000 by the Malaitan Eagle Force
[edit]Somalia

1969 - Oct 21st: Muhammad Siad Barre overthrows Sheikh Mukhtar Mohamed Hussein[177]
1991 - Jan 26th: Mohammed Farrah Aidid overthrows Muhammad Siad Barre[178]
[edit]Spain

1936 by Francisco Franco against Manuel Azaña
[edit]Sudan

1958 - Nov 16th: Ibrahim Abboud overthrows Abdallah Khalil[179]
1969 - May 25th: Gaafar al-Nimeiry overthrows Ismail al-Azhari[180]
1985 - Apr 6th: Abdel Rahman Swar al-Dahab overthrows Gaafar al-Nimeiry[181]
1989 - Jun 30th: Omar Hassan Ahmad al-Bashir overthrows Ahmed al-Mirghani[182]
[edit]Suriname

25 February 1980 under Dési Bouterse ousting Prime Minister Henck Arron
13 August 1980 under Dési Bouterse ousting President Johan Ferrier
1990 under Dési Bouterse
[edit]Sweden

1772 by Gustav III of Sweden against the Privy Council of Sweden
1809 by a number of army officers against king Gustav IV Adolf of Sweden
[edit]Syria

1966 by Salah Jadid against Amin Hafiz
1970 by Hafez al-Assad against Nureddin al-Atassi
[edit]Thailand

1932 - Jun 24th: The Khana Ratsadon party overthrows the absolute monarchy of King Prajadhipok[183]
1933 - Jun 20th: Phraya Phahol overthrows Phraya Manol[184]
1947 - Nov 7th: Phin Choonhavan overthrows Thawal Thamrong Navaswadhi[185]
1951 - Nov 29th: Military overthrows 1949 constitution and reverts to 1932 constitution[186]
1957 - Sep 21st: Sarit Thanarat overthrows Plaek Pibulsongkram[187]
1958 - Oct 20th: Sarit Thanarat overthrows Thanom Kittikachorn[188]
1971 - Nov 18th: Thanom Kittikachorn overthrows parliament[189]
1976 - Oct 6th: Sangad Chaloryu overthrows Seni Pramoj[190]
1977 - Oct 20th: Kriangsak Chomanan overthrows Tanin Kraivixien[191]
1991 - Feb 24th: Sunthorn Kongsompong overthrows Chatichai Choonhavan[192]
2006 - Sep 19th: Sonthi Boonyaratglin overthrows Thaksin Shinawatra[193]
[edit]Togo

1963 - Jan 13th: Étienne Eyadéma and Emmanuel Bodjolle overthrow Sylvanus Olympio [194]
1967 - Jan 13th: Étienne Eyadéma and Kleber Dadjo overthrow Nicholas Grunitzky [195]
[edit]Transkei

1987 - Dec 30: Bantu Holomisa overthrows Stella Sigcau.
[edit]Tunisia

1957 - Jul 15th: Habib Bourguiba overthrows King Muhammad VIII al-Amin[196]
1987 - Nov 7th: Zine El Abidine Ben Ali overthrows Habib Bourguiba[197]
[edit]Turkey

1960 under the National Unity Committee headed by Cemal Gürsel
1971 under four Force Commanders of the Turkish Armed Forces
1980 under Kenan Evren
1997 under Chief of the General Staff İsmail Hakkı Karadayı and a member of the Turkish General Staff Çevik Bir
[edit]Uganda

1966 - Feb: Milton Obote overthrows King Mutesa II of Buganda[198]
1971 - Jan 21st: Idi Amin overthrows Milton Obote[199]
1979 - Apr 11th: Tanzania Peoples Defence Force and Uganda National Liberation Army overthrow Idi Amin[200]
1980 - May 12th: Paulo Muwanga overthrows Godfrey Binaisa[201]
1985 - Jul 27th: Tito Okello Lutwa overthrows Milton Obote[202]
1986 - Jan 26th: Yoweri Museveni and the National Resistance Army overthrow Tito Okello Lutwa[203]
[edit]Uruguay

1933 under Gabriel Terra
1973 by Juan María Bordaberry against his own government[204]
[edit]Venda

1990 - Apr 5th: Gabriel Ramushwana overthrows Frank N. Ravelle [205]
[edit]Venezuela

1948 under Carlos Delgado Chalbaud
[edit]South Vietnam

1963 under Duong Van Minh
[edit]Yemen

1962 under Abdullah as-Sallal
1974 under Ibrahim al-Hamadi
[edit]Yugoslavia

1941 by King Peter II of Yugoslavia against Regent Prince Paul of Yugoslavia
1945 by Josip Broz Tito against King Peter II of Yugoslavia
[edit]Zanzibar

1964 - Jan 12th: John Okello overthrows Sheik Abdulrahman Muhammad Babu[206] </div></div>

LWW
05-03-2011, 06:04 AM
BTW ... research MacArthur versus Truman.

IMHO MacArthur should have faced court martial over his insubordination.

Also, if this report is true, those who carried out the mission could have faced court martial had it failed.

pooltchr
05-03-2011, 06:47 AM
It is not unusual at all for a junior officer to over ride a senior officer under certain circumstances. The only thing is...if you do it, you damn well better be right. I did it once and only once. I actually grabbed a senior officer by his tie, pulled him over to a plotting board, and showed him why the decision he had just issued was wrong. He looked at me wide eyed, then looked back at what I was showing him and he got even more wide eyed...then he called up to the admiral and told him he was changing his last recommendation. After it was all over, he cornered me and warned me to never physically touch a senior officer again. His final words to me...."Good job, Jennings!"

I can see a serious power struggle in this administration, particularly between HC and BO. I believe Hillary actually has more testicular fortitude than Barry. It's probably a good thing she was in on this one!

Steve

LWW
05-03-2011, 07:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can see a serious power struggle in this administration, particularly between HC and BO. I believe Hillary actually has more testicular fortitude than Barry. It's probably a good thing she was in on this one!

Steve </div></div>

As James Carville said ... "If Hillary gave Obama half her balls, they'd both have two."

If this story is true, Hillary has all she needs to steal the nomination.

Sev
05-03-2011, 07:15 AM
If its is true then its noting but political triangulation as usual and not decisions made for the good of the people first.

Same old from either side of the aisle.

LWW
05-03-2011, 07:18 AM
You mean the bubbas in flyover country?

Some say they don't really count.

eg8r
05-03-2011, 08:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How can military commanders overrule the Commander in Chief?
</div></div>Anyone can overrule anyone else if they are in position to do so. They might not like the consequences of such action but it can and has been done for millenia.

eg8r

Sev
05-03-2011, 12:14 PM
Seems Leon may have been calling the shots.

LWW
05-03-2011, 02:45 PM
Whoever decided enough was enough and enough was too much ... it's a shame Billy Jeff Clinton didn't have the same resolve.

If he had, 9/11 may have been avoided.

wolfdancer
05-03-2011, 04:07 PM
Q, while most Americans are celebrating over this....the group here, is trying to denigrate President Obama over a well planned and successful operation carried out by our military heroes!! I
don't care who conceived the plan, or who gave the order to carry it out; the important thing was "mission accomplished"
Who really cares if the group here wants to give credit for the operation to either of the Bush's, to RR, or to the counter terrorism expert, Cheney?

eg8r
05-04-2011, 07:27 AM
I agree that it was well planned and successful and I congratulate Obama on making the decision to do it.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who really cares if the group here wants to give credit for the operation to either of the Bush's, to RR, or to the counter terrorism expert, Cheney?
</div></div>Mention of these others is simply to prove that maybe you guys had it wrong about the treatment and information provided by those captured. We heard over and over again from members on this board that no successful info was coming from the interrogations during the previous administration but now we see that was an incredibly foolish assertion.

I am surprised at how gullible you guys are to what you hear in the media about our military and their classified information. Do you honestly think retired military generals and such forget about the law and willfully tell you exactly what is going on? Do you think it would give our warfighters, special forces or not, the advantage if our military was broadcasting to the media that we are receiving all the intricate knowledge of our enemies?

eg8r

Qtec
05-04-2011, 08:01 AM
If you are for torture, then watching a video of someone being tortured should have no effect on you, yes?

About 9 months ago, a 14 yr old kid who worked as an assassin for the Mexican drug cartels was arrested. he had a number of video,s on his mobile.

I can provide the links but believe me when I say, you don't want to see them.

Torture is wrong. End of story.

Q

eg8r
05-04-2011, 08:03 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you are for torture, then watching a video of someone being tortured should have no effect on you, yes?
</div></div>You are changing the subject. You guys were dead on wrong about the information and successes of those interrogations and I thank Obama for having the intelligence to not listen to the foolish like yourself.

eg8r

LWW
05-04-2011, 11:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you are for torture, then watching a video of someone being tortured should have no effect on you, yes?

About 9 months ago, a 14 yr old kid who worked as an assassin for the Mexican drug cartels was arrested. he had a number of video,s on his mobile.

I can provide the links but believe me when I say, you don't want to see them.

Torture is wrong. End of story.

Q </div></div>

Are you implying the US did something like that shown on the Mexican videos?

Please, tell me that even you aren't that gullible.

LWW
05-04-2011, 11:35 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seems Leon may have been calling the shots. </div></div>

Leon says that Gitmo tactics led to the OBL take down.

wolfdancer
05-04-2011, 04:25 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am surprised at how gullible you guys are to what you hear in the media about our military and their classified information </div></div>

Sorry to inform you of this....but I don't watch Fox News.
I also doubt that I am any more gullible then you are.....my proof is that you still think highly of Bush, and blame Jimmy Carter for 9/11

pooltchr
05-04-2011, 05:21 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am surprised at how gullible you guys are to what you hear in the media about our military and their classified information </div></div>

Sorry to inform you of this....but I don't watch Fox News.
I also doubt that I am any more gullible then you are.....my proof is that you still think highly of Bush, and blame Jimmy Carter for 9/11 </div></div>

Do you ever have anything of substance to add???


Steve

wolfdancer
05-04-2011, 05:50 PM
Do you think your gullible charge to be something of substance?

Stretch
05-04-2011, 07:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Do you think your gullible charge to be something of substance?

</div></div>

Touche' /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif St.

eg8r
05-04-2011, 08:20 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry to inform you of this....but I don't watch Fox News.
</div></div>Why would you be sorry to inform me? As gayle said to me, don't be sorry. Also, why would you want to argue your level of gullibility? Seems childish. If you believed those high ranking military officials were telling you everything then you are gullible (this had nothing to do with Fox since it was the gullible lefties that were believing everything they heard in the news). No sense in trying to rank how gullible you are with someone else. Suck it up. The assassination of Osama through the use of information gathered during enhanced interrogation proves you have been wrong for many years. Because you are not man enough to admit it is your own shortcoming.

eg8r

wolfdancer
05-04-2011, 08:52 PM
This meaningless pos that you have now posted is supposed to cover up your original insult that I am gullible? And now you even more stupidly claim I am arguing how gullible I am? And then stealing a page from the idiot's handbook....by trying to make some claims re: what I have been told ( by my handlers?)and also what I believe?
Your argument about that wouldn't score high in a 5th grade debating class. I thought you were maybe smarter then lww or the other guy....but your circular reasoning has me wondering?
As to your other claims...I don't have your top level clearance, so I formed my own take on what happened,as I believe many other Americans, not in your loop did. As to a *** like yourself trying to make some punk claim that I am not man enough to admit
that shortcoming ...I don't think you have an excess of testosterone yourself, if you get my drift. I'll be glad to state
it in front of you, to your face, anytime, anywhere.

wolfdancer
05-04-2011, 08:55 PM
No, do you???????
You maybe thought I was supposed to just ignore the punk comments made?
I ain't seen anything yet that would make me believe you are "smarter then the average bear"

LWW
05-05-2011, 03:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am surprised at how gullible you guys are to what you hear in the media about our military and their classified information </div></div>

Sorry to inform you of this....but I don't watch Fox News.
I also doubt that I am any more gullible then you are.....my proof is that you still think highly of Bush, and blame Jimmy Carter for 9/11 </div></div>

Care to document either of those claims?

What's that?

You made them up?

But, I already knew that.

Back under your bridge troll boy.

eg8r
05-05-2011, 07:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have your top level clearance, so I formed my own take on what happened,as I believe many other Americans, not in your loop did.</div></div>Let me get this straight...I said you were not getting the whole truth from the media and called you gullible because you took it hook line and sinker. That, I guess, insulted you and argued your level of gullibility. Now you are proving my point that you were gullible. You see, the only way for you to form your own opinion was to take what the media (their own editing of what the generals were saying) was telling you and process it however you wished. The end result was that you believed everything they said and that absolutely zero useful information was being obtained. We have now found that to be totally false and you are mad at me? On top of that you want to confrontational?

eg8r

LWW
05-05-2011, 05:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have your top level clearance, so I formed my own take on what happened,as I believe many other Americans, not in your loop did.</div></div>Let me get this straight...I said you were not getting the whole truth from the media and called you gullible because you took it hook line and sinker. That, I guess, insulted you and argued your level of gullibility. Now you are proving my point that you were gullible. You see, the only way for you to form your own opinion was to take what the media (their own editing of what the generals were saying) was telling you and process it however you wished. The end result was that you believed everything they said and that absolutely zero useful information was being obtained. We have now found that to be totally false and you are mad at me? On top of that you want to confrontational?

eg8r </div></div>

That's our woofie.