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Soflasnapper
05-12-2011, 11:14 PM
Right here. "Moonbattery on display! (http://www.billiardsdigest.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=351862#Post351862)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This is a microcosm of why the <s>far left</s> right wing agitprop media machine in America has zero credibility with the [informed] people who built, run, and keep this great republic afloat.</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Unacceptable lyrics when B-B-B-BOOOOSH!!!! was POTUS:


Quote:
Back in 2003, First Lady Laura Bush held a poetry evening, and she invited several poets to reprise the work of Emily Dickinson, Langston Hughes and Walt Whitman. Although none of those poets had urged violence against a president, Bush canceled the event after left-of-center poets protested and threatened to disrupt the event. ...</div></div>

The AP article (http://hosted2.ap.org/txdam/ec2d8a4c1614477db0610df17d4a39ce/Article_2011-05-11-White%20House-Poets/id-5aa835370bc44033b8ab15d3f31d71b5) at the Dallas Morning News website explains that the poets intended to disrupt the event to protest the war in Iraq. (You know, 2003 and all.) Nothing to do with the "lyrics" (?? lol!) of the poems of Emily Dickinson or the other poets.

To be fair to the writer, Neil Munro at the Daily Caller link above, he never actually said their protests and intent to disrupt the event involved the content of the poets' work. He only implied it, falsely, by using accurate statements but leaving out the key fact, and putting them together in a clever way intended to deceive. The undiscerning mind does the rest. I don't blame LWW for thinking that piece meant what he claims, even though it doesn't actually say that. That was the intended take-away, even as Munro could plausibly deny it by his construction. To be equally fair to Munro, it is he who leaves out the relevant fact that it was the war causing this dispute, and he had to know it.

So we know some important things. This piece lied by omission, creating a false impression, and Munro is a fairly clever propagandist, if he's the one who came up with this. It may or may not have been his idea.

And that's the more important thing to consider. These stories are manufactured and fed into the media. What drives the public discourse is an unrelenting sh!tstorm of agitprop lies and distortions from the right (cf: Drudge Report). The right is both highly skilled in the art of deception, at their top levels, and sorely lacking in critical thinking or basic research skills among their base (as are most Americans of whatever political leanings). With billions and even trillions in profits at stake, private interests have created a massive multi-billion dollar infrastructure of propaganda-spewing think tanks, newspapers, magazines, and radio and television cartels to further their ends. 5 companies control over 90% of world-wide media of all kinds.

This particular and countless other prior lies have been thoroughly refuted, but it doesn't matter, as another 2 dozen will appear in 30 days. With the same credibility, but again, that doesn't matter. The same people will believe the new things. Why?

Repetition of the false message, and no exposure to the refutation, would be the general answer. Worse, because of primitive brain patterns, research shows exposure to refutations perversely strengthens the earlier erroneous belief, while activating the pleasure centers of the brain (!?!?!? (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128490874)). Biology evidently dooms us, at least if logical thinking is required to save the species. We may not be fit to survive in the long run.

This is why I quit posting on this side of the board. It is hopeless. I can swat any number of these into the cheap seats (get your weak sh!t out of here! -- blocking shots like Our Miami Heat TM), but then there's more.

So I'll just summarize, to say you are being lied to by pros, and among their goals is pure distraction. It works on those who believe it, but also on those who try to set the record straight. These are entirely irrelevant red herrings, except as they serve a partisan political purpose. It's a mug's game, and I recommend you not be baited. It's all more of the same, and it is beyond tiresome.

Gayle in MD
05-13-2011, 02:42 AM
Great post, and I have missed your posts.

The media, is owned by the right.

Gingrich is on Fox, regularly, spouting his usual racist hyperbole. Outrageious BS about Kenyan Anti Colonial attitudes, which he lies about, when he atttributes such things onto the President's heart and soul.

Newt Gingrich blamed Democrats, when Susan Smith, clearly an unstable person, drowned her own children, in her own car, in North Carolina!


Trump, using bravado, and out right lying, "You would be amazed at what they are finding in Hawaii."

Ok, Donald, so where is it? And BTW, why are you in hiding?

All of it is RW BS. Nothing but propaganda. Orwell, probably never dreamed that a whole political Party, would design their strategies, around his book, or did he?

Bachmann, with her Bs about how she thought the media, should do a fine investigation, to single out and investigate, all of the anti-Americans among her collegues, and her "Gangster Government" accusations. the racist buzz words, are always there.

Beck, saying the president hates white people, when he was raised by a white mother, and his white grandparents.

Today, those same oil CEO's who have had their gig, protected by the Republicans, for decades, actually had the balls to say that raising their taxes by one percent, or, IOW, repealing their welfare program, by which Americans pay them billions in subsidies, for oil that they sell elsewhere, while they are gougeing us left and right, and futures traders, also gougeing all of us, but those CEO's call it UNAMERICAN Tax Proposals!!!!

They have the highest profits, in the world, and in history, but we're UNAMERICAN, to even consider, ending subsidies for them, oil that they sell to other countries!!! WE're subsidizing everybody's oil!

Note, we used to break up monopolies. We have the same thing going on in the Health Insurance Industry.

And People balk over any government interference, calling it ever ugly political name they can think of, when any of us dare, in the middle of a difficult economy, to ask five oil CEO's to pay one percent more, of their humongous profits, by doing away with subsidies.

so when they're asked, point blank, so how much more do we have to pay you to get these prices down?

Not one of them would answer.

And then some people, spout off about the free Market????

Unbelievable!

You are right, though, there is really no point, nothing to be gained, by trying to reason with the right, in this country.

Take away head start, lunches for poor children, medical aid for our seniors, destroy medicare, but don't take one damn percent of profit, away from the record breaking profits, of the monopolized OIL Industry, that has gouged the hell out of us for decades!!! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif


Cheney, his repulsive daughter, and Rumsfeld, all of them trying to claim credit, and clean up their war crimes, by lying and saying that their torture, led to bin Laden's demise!!!

From the very beginning of that lie, there was documentation, that it wasn't true. In fact, that had been established, long ago, in a Senate Investigation, by both CIA, AND the FBI, no actionable intelligence, and in fact, torture does not ever, and has never produced reliable intelligence.

It took John McCain, coming out today, announcing on the Senate Floor, telling the truth, blowing away the whole weekend of Republican/FUX NOISE, LIES, .....Hannity, Liz Cheney, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Michele Maulkin, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif( MAUL-KIN) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif and the so called Liberal Media, LOL, how hard did they press these righties, with the easily available already Provable FACTS, from those investigations, to call those professional liars out, on their lies????

Some Liberal Media we have here, huh?....LMAO!

I hope you continue to post....I did look for your posts, and Q.'s first thing, when I signed on.

What they want is arguments, and a place to slander people, who are of a different opinion. We've seen four Republican President's, and surely, these last two Republican Majorities, fully corrupt, total liars, proven indictments, proven treason, and proven war crimes, and the RWers, STILL, go right back in the booth and hit the spot, for the worst of the worst.

IMO, we could still have a great forum, if we ignored the "Truth Muggers" on this forum, and leave them to one another, to sling their filth, lies, and laughable "Proof" back and forth with one another.

There is no point, in discussing politics with any rightie here, other than Ed, Dee, and Sack.... the rest are not able to discuss the issues of the day.

G.

LWW
05-13-2011, 04:36 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I'll just summarize, to say you are being lied to ...</div></div>

And what was the lie then?

Stretch
05-13-2011, 06:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Right here. "Moonbattery on display! (http://www.billiardsdigest.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=351862#Post351862)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> This is a microcosm of why the <s>far left</s> right wing agitprop media machine in America has zero credibility with the [informed] people who built, run, and keep this great republic afloat.</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Unacceptable lyrics when B-B-B-BOOOOSH!!!! was POTUS:


Quote:
Back in 2003, First Lady Laura Bush held a poetry evening, and she invited several poets to reprise the work of Emily Dickinson, Langston Hughes and Walt Whitman. Although none of those poets had urged violence against a president, Bush canceled the event after left-of-center poets protested and threatened to disrupt the event. ...</div></div>

The AP article (http://hosted2.ap.org/txdam/ec2d8a4c1614477db0610df17d4a39ce/Article_2011-05-11-White%20House-Poets/id-5aa835370bc44033b8ab15d3f31d71b5) at the Dallas Morning News website explains that the poets intended to disrupt the event to protest the war in Iraq. (You know, 2003 and all.) Nothing to do with the "lyrics" (?? lol!) of the poems of Emily Dickinson or the other poets.

To be fair to the writer, Neil Munro at the Daily Caller link above, he never actually said their protests and intent to disrupt the event involved the content of the poets' work. He only implied it, falsely, by using accurate statements but leaving out the key fact, and putting them together in a clever way intended to deceive. The undiscerning mind does the rest. I don't blame LWW for thinking that piece meant what he claims, even though it doesn't actually say that. That was the intended take-away, even as Munro could plausibly deny it by his construction. To be equally fair to Munro, it is he who leaves out the relevant fact that it was the war causing this dispute, and he had to know it.

So we know some important things. This piece lied by omission, creating a false impression, and Munro is a fairly clever propagandist, if he's the one who came up with this. It may or may not have been his idea.

And that's the more important thing to consider. These stories are manufactured and fed into the media. What drives the public discourse is an unrelenting sh!tstorm of agitprop lies and distortions from the right (cf: Drudge Report). The right is both highly skilled in the art of deception, at their top levels, and sorely lacking in critical thinking or basic research skills among their base (as are most Americans of whatever political leanings). With billions and even trillions in profits at stake, private interests have created a massive multi-billion dollar infrastructure of propaganda-spewing think tanks, newspapers, magazines, and radio and television cartels to further their ends. 5 companies control over 90% of world-wide media of all kinds.

This particular and countless other prior lies have been thoroughly refuted, but it doesn't matter, as another 2 dozen will appear in 30 days. With the same credibility, but again, that doesn't matter. The same people will believe the new things. Why?

Repetition of the false message, and no exposure to the refutation, would be the general answer. Worse, because of primitive brain patterns, research shows exposure to refutations perversely strengthens the earlier erroneous belief, while activating the pleasure centers of the brain (!?!?!? (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128490874)). Biology evidently dooms us, at least if logical thinking is required to save the species. We may not be fit to survive in the long run.

This is why I quit posting on this side of the board. It is hopeless. I can swat any number of these into the cheap seats (get your weak sh!t out of here! -- blocking shots like Our Miami Heat TM), but then there's more.

So I'll just summarize, to say you are being lied to by pros, and among their goals is pure distraction. It works on those who believe it, but also on those who try to set the record straight. These are entirely irrelevant red herrings, except as they serve a partisan political purpose. It's a mug's game, and I recommend you not be baited. It's all more of the same, and it is beyond tiresome.




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Thanks Snapper. You are not alone in your conclusions as we have lost many of our best and brightest contributors who have also tired of the overwhelming amount of petty, contrived, twisted, regurgitation of partisan "news".

A few of the far right "propagandists" here absolutely LIVE to research and bring to us a never ending stream of hyped contriversy. We all know who the main culprit is but carry on to get the views of the people that we've known and respected over the years. Of course this drives the shit disturbers crazy and compelled them to label us as some sort of "cabal". Of course nothing could be further from the truth, but i can see how it eases there sense of selfworth in haveing a percieved enemy in which any measure of lies and deceit is acceptable.

Thanks again for your views. Anytime you want to throw in for your take on things you're more than welcome. You've made a lot of friends here. St.

cushioncrawler
05-13-2011, 06:34 AM
I dont agree. Its aktually worse than u all think.
mac.

Gayle in MD
05-13-2011, 06:36 AM
Tap! Tap! Tap!

Stretch, forgot to add you to my list of "first reads."

Good Post, as always...

G.

LWW
05-13-2011, 06:47 AM
So ... what was the lie?

The claim was that the far left couldn't stand a poetry night of actual poetry, yet has no issue with a poetry night espousing murder and mayhem.

Each and every one of the cabal posting in this thread has reinforced that basic truth while engaging in doublethink to argue that the truth is somehow a lie ... which then makes the cabal's lie into the truth.

Gayle in MD
05-13-2011, 08:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> And that's the more important thing to consider. These stories are manufactured and fed into the media. What drives the public discourse is an unrelenting sh!tstorm of agitprop lies and distortions from the right (cf: Drudge Report). The right is both highly skilled in the art of deception, at their top levels, and sorely lacking in critical thinking or basic research skills among their base (as are most Americans of whatever political leanings). With billions and even trillions in profits at stake, private interests have created a massive multi-billion dollar infrastructure of propaganda-spewing think tanks, newspapers, magazines, and radio and television cartels to further their ends. 5 companies control over 90% of world-wide media of all kinds.

This particular and countless other prior lies have been thoroughly refuted, but it doesn't matter, as another 2 dozen will appear in 30 days. With the same credibility, but again, that doesn't matter. The same people will believe the new things. Why?

Repetition of the false message, and no exposure to the refutation, would be the general answer. </div></div>

I actually think it's even worse, than that.

I believe their hatred for anything Liberal, or Democratic, creates their cognisant intention, of their own volition, to deny facts, regardless of how much undeniable proof exists, or the measure of danger and hardship, those very denials, create for the country, or the world, at large.

Even the lies that threaten the health of their own children, no matter, still, they deny factual, scientific evidence, anything, anything at all, for the party.

It's truly stunning.

G.

Gayle in MD
05-13-2011, 08:12 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I dont agree. Its aktually worse than u all think.
mac. </div></div>

Mmac,
What do you mean?

G.

pooltchr
05-13-2011, 08:22 AM
Coming from someone with their head perpetually buried in the sand, that is really funny!!!

Steve

LWW
05-13-2011, 08:48 AM
The left is neither liberal nor democratic.

Stretch
05-13-2011, 10:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The left is neither liberal nor democratic. </div></div>

In keeping with your delusions you forgot to mention that the earth is flat, and the moon is made of green cheese.

The following is a simple chart (that even you can understand) that lays out where people fall in the political spectrum, enjoy. St.

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/politics/politics-traits.htm

Gayle in MD
05-13-2011, 12:15 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The left is neither liberal nor democratic. </div></div>

In keeping with your delusions you forgot to mention that the earth is flat, and the moon is made of green cheese.

The following is a simple chart (that even you can understand) that lays out where people fall in the political spectrum, enjoy. St.

http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/politics/politics-traits.htm </div></div>

LOL, Stretch, how about a few more Conservative delusions.

Earth is flat
Moon made of green cheese...
Earth only 5,000 years old
Iraq was an immediate threat
Palin is so smart, and competant,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gifthe left is afraid of her.
None of the four, Bush Administration Executive level, former Oil Ceo's, ever considered oil contracts for their war profiteering no bid contract recipients previous to Iraq invasion.
Bush was hell bent on getting bin Laden. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif
Bush actually did get bin Laden.
Waterboarding isn't torture.
Rice, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Card, Rove, Libby, never lie.
Rove is a heterosexual. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif
Graham is a heterosexual. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif
Greta Van Sustern is a heterosexual
Liberals give a **** what Conservatives think.
Fux Noise is Fair and Balanced.
Cheney couldn't remember anything about the Plame Outing.
Gonzales couldn't remember anything, about anything.
Rove, couldn't do a mean underhanded thing to anyone. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif
Tax cuts pay for themelves.
We don't have a revenue Problem,/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gifwe have a spending problem. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif
Deficits don't matter...
Health care, Oil, Pharma, Wall St., hedge funders and Ratings agencies, are all Honest Christians, who need subsidies, and require no oversight.
The whole financial crash, was caused by the CRA, and Fannie and Freddie! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gifLMAO!
The Bible is literally true.
If a RWer, pesters, cyberstalks, insults, slanders, investigates, threatens and relentlessly harrasses Liberals enough, Liberals will fold, and follow their commands, and believe their BS.

It's fine to murder doctors, but unacceptable to murder mass murderers.

People who live in Virginia, know how to drive.

Southerners will lead us out of the current Clinton Recession /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

The more we give to the oil industry, the cheaper gas will be.

The more we remove oversight, and regulations, the more honest CEO's will be.

Billionaire Corporate CEO's are so honest, they need no rules.

Oil CEO's are just barely getting by.

When a repub cheats on his wife, it's only because he overworked himself, for his country.

Mitt Romney, is not a manakin.

Sara Palin knows what she's actually saying.

Bush wasn't the worst president in history.

Economically suffering Oil companies need our tax dollars.

Republicans can add and subtract.

Republicans can read charts.

Republicans aren't lemmings.

Republicans are hip.

Republicans have rhythm.

Republicans don't insult people who prove them wrong.

Glen Beck is a genius.

Hannity isn't gay.

Huckabee isn't really Gomer Pyle.

Cheney isn't really a robot, controlled by a halliburton remote.

Cheney has one daughter who isn't gay.

Laura Bush did something while living in the White House.

Ronald Reagan wasn't the true, Gangsta con man, president of the century.

Michele Bachman is well adjusted, and smart enough to run the dishwasher.

Bristol Palin, HAD to have Plastic surgery, and can dance.

Todd Palin has a set.

McConnell isn't really an owl.

Virginai Foxx of N.C., isn't a real, live chicken.

Boehner can think.

There is nothing going on between Pawlenty, and Cantor.

All Republican's aides, are not gay.

Nancy Reagan didn't run the country during the Reagan's alzheimer Administration.

Dick Nixon, was framed. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

The Bush administration only tortured three people. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Saddam had a smoking gun, Mushroom Cloud. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

It was just a coincidence, that Katherine Harris purged between twenty and two hundred thousand Democrats from the voting roles.

Clarence Thomas didn't do it. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smirk.gif

Boehners tan, is real, not just from drinking and playing golf for lobbyist contributions, for the last twenty years . /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Boehner isn't a whining, sobbing, emotionally unbalanced crook.

Bush didn't borrow more money than all previous administrations, combined.

Israel gives a **** about the US.

The Bush Tax Cuts, no bid contracts, and no Wall St. oversight, had nothing to do with the Bush near depression.

Nothing will go wrong when Republicans refuse to raise the debt limit.

Republicans have every right, to cripple the country's recovery, by obstructionism, if they can't get everything they want for the rich, by taking it away from everyone else, and Everything will be just fine.

Ensign didn't bribe his mistress with.... "put up, or lose your job."

Bush and Cheney aren't war criminals.

The Family Values church, on C.St., is a real church, not a hide out for philandering married men.

O'Reilly, isn't a sexual Predator, Fox just paid off his victim, for fun.

Organized religion, isn't big business.

Reverend Billy Graham, never cared about money!

George Bush isn't short on brain cells, he has plenty of them, they're all just still drunk..

Bush Sr., was hot for Barbara's kinky sex, and never had a mistress in Virginia.

The moderator of this forum, is fair and balanced.
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pooltchr
05-13-2011, 01:25 PM
Very good. The Palins actually rated 4 mentions on your list. I'm so glad you don't find them a threat.


Although, if they aren't a threat, why do you continue your attacks??????????????????????

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm



Steve

ugotda7
05-13-2011, 01:57 PM
Media owned by the right? Easily the stupidest thing posted here in a year.....and that's really, really saying something.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great post, and I have missed your posts.

The media, is owned by the right.

Gingrich is on Fox, regularly, spouting his usual racist hyperbole. Outrageious BS about Kenyan Anti Colonial attitudes, which he lies about, when he atttributes such things onto the President's heart and soul.

Newt Gingrich blamed Democrats, when Susan Smith, clearly an unstable person, drowned her own children, in her own car, in North Carolina!


Trump, using bravado, and out right lying, "You would be amazed at what they are finding in Hawaii."

Ok, Donald, so where is it? And BTW, why are you in hiding?

All of it is RW BS. Nothing but propaganda. Orwell, probably never dreamed that a whole political Party, would design their strategies, around his book, or did he?

Bachmann, with her Bs about how she thought the media, should do a fine investigation, to single out and investigate, all of the anti-Americans among her collegues, and her "Gangster Government" accusations. the racist buzz words, are always there.

Beck, saying the president hates white people, when he was raised by a white mother, and his white grandparents.

Today, those same oil CEO's who have had their gig, protected by the Republicans, for decades, actually had the balls to say that raising their taxes by one percent, or, IOW, repealing their welfare program, by which Americans pay them billions in subsidies, for oil that they sell elsewhere, while they are gougeing us left and right, and futures traders, also gougeing all of us, but those CEO's call it UNAMERICAN Tax Proposals!!!!

They have the highest profits, in the world, and in history, but we're UNAMERICAN, to even consider, ending subsidies for them, oil that they sell to other countries!!! WE're subsidizing everybody's oil!

Note, we used to break up monopolies. We have the same thing going on in the Health Insurance Industry.

And People balk over any government interference, calling it ever ugly political name they can think of, when any of us dare, in the middle of a difficult economy, to ask five oil CEO's to pay one percent more, of their humongous profits, by doing away with subsidies.

so when they're asked, point blank, so how much more do we have to pay you to get these prices down?

Not one of them would answer.

And then some people, spout off about the free Market????

Unbelievable!

You are right, though, there is really no point, nothing to be gained, by trying to reason with the right, in this country.

Take away head start, lunches for poor children, medical aid for our seniors, destroy medicare, but don't take one damn percent of profit, away from the record breaking profits, of the monopolized OIL Industry, that has gouged the hell out of us for decades!!! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif


Cheney, his repulsive daughter, and Rumsfeld, all of them trying to claim credit, and clean up their war crimes, by lying and saying that their torture, led to bin Laden's demise!!!

From the very beginning of that lie, there was documentation, that it wasn't true. In fact, that had been established, long ago, in a Senate Investigation, by both CIA, AND the FBI, no actionable intelligence, and in fact, torture does not ever, and has never produced reliable intelligence.

It took John McCain, coming out today, announcing on the Senate Floor, telling the truth, blowing away the whole weekend of Republican/FUX NOISE, LIES, .....Hannity, Liz Cheney, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Michele Maulkin, /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif( MAUL-KIN) /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif and the so called Liberal Media, LOL, how hard did they press these righties, with the easily available already Provable FACTS, from those investigations, to call those professional liars out, on their lies????

Some Liberal Media we have here, huh?....LMAO!

I hope you continue to post....I did look for your posts, and Q.'s first thing, when I signed on.

What they want is arguments, and a place to slander people, who are of a different opinion. We've seen four Republican President's, and surely, these last two Republican Majorities, fully corrupt, total liars, proven indictments, proven treason, and proven war crimes, and the RWers, STILL, go right back in the booth and hit the spot, for the worst of the worst.

IMO, we could still have a great forum, if we ignored the "Truth Muggers" on this forum, and leave them to one another, to sling their filth, lies, and laughable "Proof" back and forth with one another.

There is no point, in discussing politics with any rightie here, other than Ed, Dee, and Sack.... the rest are not able to discuss the issues of the day.

G. </div></div>

LWW
05-13-2011, 02:19 PM
Don't hate me because I understand the meaning of the words that I use.

Stretch
05-13-2011, 02:36 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't hate me because I understand the meaning of the words that I use. </div></div>

Don't hate me because i don't play your games. St.

cushioncrawler
05-13-2011, 05:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cushioncrawler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I dont agree. Its aktually worse than u all think. mac.</div></div>Mmac, What do you mean? G.</div></div>Up to a point i dont mind reading the rubbish, koz i am learning bout how some think. And it drives me to google the facts etc, givs me something to do. And sometimes i aktually write, but this iz very time consuming. What i dont like to see iz the same sort of rubbish appear, often exaktly word for word what woz kompletely destroyed months ago. There iz one little posting re Soros floating around right now. But this aint what i meant.

What i meant woz that both sides here are wrong on some issues. I see dizaster ahead.
mac.