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Stretch
05-15-2011, 06:19 AM
And this right after announcing his Presidential bid Friday. I think it's the first ever known case of someone shooting themselves in the foot while sticking the gun in their mouth. St.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54822.html

LWW
05-15-2011, 06:28 AM
Actually ... that's not quite what he said.

But, I have an unfair advantage in that I read the link.

Stretch
05-15-2011, 06:42 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Actually ... that's not quite what he said.

But, I have an unfair advantage in that I read the link. </div></div>

Agreed, not quite. But the message is clear even to the nits like you. We'll let others decide. St.

pooltchr
05-15-2011, 07:19 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Agreed, not quite. But the message is clear even to the nits like you. We'll let others decide. St. </div></div>

Yes, the message was quite clear. Paul would have preferred to operate within the law, and the various treaties we have established with other countries.

After all the crying about GW being a cowboy, I guess it would be fair to say that Obama has become the ultimate gunslinger!

For years, the left has cried that dialogue is better than violence. I guess the rules change, depending on who is in the WH at the time.

Steve

LWW
05-15-2011, 08:46 AM
He's practicing "DOUBLETHINK" ... so therefor his conclusion, although flawed, is not unexpected.

llotter
05-15-2011, 11:58 AM
If, on the off chance that Paul would get the nomination, I would probably vote Republican for the first time since 1988. However, Republicans have become little more than me-tooers and are very unlikely to nominate anyone who believes in the Constitution.

Stretch
05-15-2011, 12:28 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Agreed, not quite. But the message is clear even to the nits like you. We'll let others decide. St. </div></div>

Yes, the message was quite clear. Paul would have preferred to operate within the law, and the various treaties we have established with other countries.

After all the crying about GW being a cowboy, I guess it would be fair to say that Obama has become the ultimate gunslinger!

For years, the left has cried that dialogue is better than violence. I guess the rules change, depending on who is in the WH at the time.

Steve </div></div>

It is quite clear to anyone with a brain that elements in the Pakistani government were protecting Bin Ladin. How else would you explain the fact that he was hiding under thier nose for 6 years? The Paki's have been screwing over the States all along and have let the Taliban operate, recruit insurgents, and resupply the Taliban in Afganistan. They are corrupted to the core. If you wanted to "work with them" there is little doubt Bin Ladin would have been tipped off. Thank God smarter people than you or Ron Paul directed the effort to keep Pakistan out of the loop for security reasons so that nothing was going to stand in the way of that Maniac getting his just reward. St.

pooltchr
05-15-2011, 12:53 PM
So I guess all that talk about dialogue and negotiating and working with the moderates in the middle east was just talk? When it comes down to getting something done, we just go in with guns blazing?

What has changed in the past few years? (Other that the fact that we now have a Dem in the White House)

Steve

Stretch
05-15-2011, 01:04 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I guess all that talk about dialogue and negotiating and working with the moderates in the middle east was just talk? When it comes down to getting something done, we just go in with guns blazing?

What has changed in the past few years? (Other that the fact that we now have a Dem in the White House)

Steve </div></div>

Apples and Oranges. If you were to "nogitiate" for Bin Ladins Capture, or tryed to "work with" Pakistan to get him, he would have died just the same, OF OLD AGE. St.

pooltchr
05-15-2011, 01:15 PM
That's where you are wrong. It's not apples and oranges.
You either believe that you get things done with words, or you get things done by force.

It is the same thing. The only difference, as I pointed out, is that when it's someone from your team, you approve.

I wonder if you guys will ever figure out that this whole Reps vs Dems is nothing but a crock. It is how you are manipulated by your chosen party.

Try overlooking Right vs Left, and consider looking at Right vs Wrong!

Steve

Stretch
05-15-2011, 01:43 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's where you are wrong. It's not apples and oranges.
You either believe that you get things done with words, or you get things done by force.

It is the same thing. The only difference, as I pointed out, is that when it's someone from your team, you approve.

I wonder if you guys will ever figure out that this whole Reps vs Dems is nothing but a crock. It is how you are manipulated by your chosen party.

Try overlooking Right vs Left, and consider looking at Right vs Wrong!

Steve </div></div>

I didn't overlook anything. For 10 years following 9/11 i saw every f'up and usless BS known to man including thousands of dead soldiers, a pointless war in Iraq, and the waist of Trillions of dollars. Then FINALLY IN/OUT/DONE. They tryed doing it your way, and failed miserably. St.

eg8r
05-15-2011, 05:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I think it's the first ever known case of someone shooting themselves in the foot while sticking the gun in their mouth.</div></div>Now that is pretty funny.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Ron Paul says he would not have authorized the mission that led to the death of Osama bin Laden, and that President Barack Obama should have worked with the Pakistani government instead of authorizing a raid.
</div></div>Had it all panned out this way we would have still been waiting on getting OBL but the US citizens would have been none the wiser. Having 20/20 vision in the past that would have sucked because it turned out wildly successful but had things gone south this statement by Paul would not sound so bad, don't you think?

eg8r

eg8r
05-15-2011, 05:07 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Paul would have preferred to operate within the law, and the various treaties we have established with other countries.

After all the crying about GW being a cowboy, I guess it would be fair to say that Obama has become the ultimate gunslinger!
</div></div>I agree Obama is the ultimate gunslinger and I am proud of him for it. If we were talking about Canada, England, etc then I would be a bit more sensitive but we are talking about Pakistan which has done everything possible to get in our way to keep OBL safe.

Call it karma if you would like. Osama illegally killed our innocent men/women/children and he was killed under the same circumstances.

eg8r

pooltchr
05-15-2011, 10:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Osama illegally killed our innocent men/women/children and he was killed under the same circumstances.

eg8r </div></div>

So you are ok with our President sending our military on a mission you agree was illegal?

Does the end justify the means, even when the means are illegal?

Or did we hate OBL so much that we are willing to turn a blind eye to what was clearly an assassination?

Steve

LWW
05-16-2011, 02:37 AM
Then why didn't KSM get away?

Stretch
05-16-2011, 05:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I think it's the first ever known case of someone shooting themselves in the foot while sticking the gun in their mouth.</div></div>Now that is pretty funny.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Ron Paul says he would not have authorized the mission that led to the death of Osama bin Laden, and that President Barack Obama should have worked with the Pakistani government instead of authorizing a raid.
</div></div>Had it all panned out this way we would have still been waiting on getting OBL but the US citizens would have been none the wiser. Having 20/20 vision in the past that would have sucked because it turned out wildly successful but had things gone south this statement by Paul would not sound so bad, don't you think?

eg8r </div></div>

Ed for sure it was a huge gamble. Had things gone horribly wrong, there is no doubt in my mind that he would of maned up and taken the blame having authorized it after all. Given his many other struggles i believe the incident would have killed any chance of re-election for sure. So there was a lot a stake. Since the mission was successfull however i give him his props, along with a hearty well done for your special opps team, the best in the world imo. St.

Gayle in MD
05-16-2011, 10:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I think it's the first ever known case of someone shooting themselves in the foot while sticking the gun in their mouth.</div></div>Now that is pretty funny.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Ron Paul says he would not have authorized the mission that led to the death of Osama bin Laden, and that President Barack Obama should have worked with the Pakistani government instead of authorizing a raid.
</div></div>Had it all panned out this way we would have still been waiting on getting OBL but the US citizens would have been none the wiser. Having 20/20 vision in the past that would have sucked because it turned out wildly successful but had things gone south this statement by Paul would not sound so bad, don't you think?

eg8r </div></div>

Ed for sure it was a huge gamble. Had things gone horribly wrong, there is no doubt in my mind that he would of maned up and taken the blame having authorized it after all. Given his many other struggles i believe the incident would have killed any chance of re-election for sure. So there was a lot a stake. Since the mission was successfull however i give him his props, along with a hearty well done for your special opps team, the best in the world imo. St. </div></div>

As Secretary Gates, who has worked for eight presidents, stated last night on 60 minutes, "And I've worked for a lot of these guys and this was one of the most courageous calls, that I've ever seen a president make."

Those who are trying to call it illegal, refuse facts. Our policy since the Clinton Administration, including Bush, had the exact same policy.

I'm sure you remember when a Bush rep. said that Pres. Bush wanted bl's head brought to him in a box, and all the other stupid, slogans.

If Bush had been successful in the same operation, back during his terms, the right would be jumping up and down, cheering.

Deeman, is exactly correct about that!

pooltchr
05-16-2011, 11:16 AM
Name me one time prior to Obama, when a US president ordered the assassination of anyone.

Steve

LWW
05-16-2011, 12:40 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Name me one time prior to Obama, when a US president ordered the assassination of anyone.

Steve </div></div>

JFK and "OPERATION MONGOOSE" was an attempt to put a bullet is Castro's head.

Dubya ordered the assassination of Saddam via smart bomb at the onset of the Iraq War.

LBJ and the CIA were behind the capture of Ernesto "Che" Guevara, although there is a dispute over whether or not the US ordered his execution.

Again, I have no issue with dear leader taking Osama out.

What I have problems with are he and his glazed eyed followers opposing such actions until dear leader's hand was forced ... and then employing massive doublethink to insist they were for it the entire time.

Gayle in MD
05-17-2011, 06:41 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And this right after announcing his Presidential bid Friday. I think it's the first ever known case of someone shooting themselves in the foot while sticking the gun in their mouth. St.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54822.html </div></div>

Gingrich did the same thing on Sunday's Meet The Press, called Ryans plan RADICAL, then tried to flip his statements, the very next day.

Punishment from the right came in strong against The Newt, because he broke the Repiglican standard, never tell the people the truth, about what we're going to do to them, AFTER we win! Once he learned that Rush Lumpbod, was having a psychotic melt down on the radio, over his exposure of the Republican plan of Corporate Socialism for the wealthy, on the backs of the poor, and the Middle Class, the next day, he tried to flip it. Didn't work. He's gone too, he's just too much of an egomaniac, to know it.

Ron Paul, is a joke. He'll never be President.

Romney, shot himself in the foot last week. He's was a joke from the start. Some thought he was a robot, and Rove held the remote.

The "New Deal" has been embraced by every single Republican President, and Repiglican Majority. Yet, whenn they try to paint it as socialism, and compare it to communism, they like to "Pretend" it was only bought into, by the left. Another on=going REpiglican LIE.

Eisenhower, spent plenty, and what he did spend, was good for the country, but he was the last cecent Republican president.

After that, only fascists, and big spenders, and debt growers, followed.

Facts are facts!

The Donald,version, of who started out as the Repiglican "Charlie Potato, but, than, as we all knew, backed out, after the President shined his ass out as the being the biggest liar in the country, and the vitiolic nutjob egomaniac, that he is, the jerk he's always been, fully exposed, at the WHC Dinner, LMAO!

Next day, the new hyperbolic hero of the right, was mashed potatoes.......but he would have backed out anyway, just before the time came around for him to expose his financial details, of course, just as I predicted.

Huckabee, aka Gomer Pyle, gone with the wind. His big bucks from FUX NOISE, precludes amy necessity to actually serve his country, LOL, is he Sara's Brother????

Kind of funny, don't you think so?

After all of the hyperbolic RW BS that's been written on this forum, painting themselves as a party with a mandate, trying, over and over to say that WE were the ones out of touch, with Americans, until we all saw clip after clip, of Tea Partiers, screaming bloody murder, at Repiglicans, all over the country... LMAO...

Yet now, we all know, the party of the thieves, are dropping like the New Year Time's Square Ball, in all of the polls, nd even reppigs, are backing off the Grand Ryan Plan, to break the backs of the poor and the Middle Class, as people are reminded, once again, of what the Flyover Bubbas, always forget, far too readily, that Repiglicans, believe in socialism for the wealthy, and capitalism for the poor, and actually, it's far worse than that, their FASCISTS, who take from every, and give it all to the wealthy, and well conected, and when it comes to really cutting government spending, they never have, and they never will, they are owned by the corporate lobbyists, for the CEO's of the five major industries in the country.... same guys who are too busy counting what they stole from us over the last thirty years, who buy for Repigs, their seats on Capital Hill, for a price, which the Fascist RW, Activist, ROBERTS SC, has made even easier, for all of them to hide...




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