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Gayle in MD
05-23-2011, 10:06 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/21/medicare-cuts-lose-election-poll_n_864989.html





The GOP budget proposal penned by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) released in April advises turning Medicaid into a grant program run by the states, while the federal government would subsidize retirees buy Medicare plans themselves in the private health insurance market. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>The Congressional Budget Office estimates that seniors' medical costs would rise twice as fast under the GOP Medicare plan as they are rising now, hitting more than $12,000 in out-of-pocket costs in 2021.</span>

Democrats have been pounding the GOP relentlessly on the issue, and <span style='font-size: 17pt'>it's become a central issue in Tuesday's special election in New York's Republican-leaning 26th Congressional District, where the Democrat took the lead over the weekend. </span>


The Democratic Party is showing no signs of letting up, but the progressive groups wanted to remind the swing-state senators that moving toward the GOP position could hurt them as they head into their campaigns.







"Democrats are right to blast Republicans for supporting Paul Ryan’s plan to eliminate Medicare," said Stephanie Taylor, the co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>"This polling shows that Democratic incumbents facing re-election in 2012 will have overwhelming support if they defend Medicare and Medicaid -- and will have serious problems if they vote to cut either program in any way."</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Some critics have downplayed the results of PPP polling as favoring Democrats, but the questions in these surveys were modeled on the well-regarded ABC News/Washington Post survey, which found similar results nationally ....



</span>http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-shows-americans-oppose-entitlement-cuts-to-deal-with-debt-problem/2011/04/19/AFoiAH9D_story.html


<span style='font-size: 17pt'>in late April, with just 21 percent supporting Medicare cuts and 30 percent supporting Medicaid cuts.</span>

The PPP surveys had margins of error ranging from 2.6 percent to 3.1 percent.

Gayle in MD
05-24-2011, 06:08 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/21/medicare-cuts-lose-election-poll_n_864989.html





The GOP budget proposal penned by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) released in April advises turning Medicaid into a grant program run by the states, while the federal government would subsidize retirees buy Medicare plans themselves in the private health insurance market. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>The Congressional Budget Office estimates that seniors' medical costs would rise twice as fast under the GOP Medicare plan as they are rising now, hitting more than $12,000 in out-of-pocket costs in 2021.</span>

Democrats have been pounding the GOP relentlessly on the issue, and <span style='font-size: 17pt'>it's become a central issue in Tuesday's special election in New York's Republican-leaning 26th Congressional District, where the Democrat took the lead over the weekend. </span>


The Democratic Party is showing no signs of letting up, but the progressive groups wanted to remind the swing-state senators that moving toward the GOP position could hurt them as they head into their campaigns.







"Democrats are right to blast Republicans for supporting Paul Ryan’s plan to eliminate Medicare," said Stephanie Taylor, the co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee. <span style='font-size: 17pt'>"This polling shows that Democratic incumbents facing re-election in 2012 will have overwhelming support if they defend Medicare and Medicaid -- and will have serious problems if they vote to cut either program in any way."</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Some critics have downplayed the results of PPP polling as favoring Democrats, but the questions in these surveys were modeled on the well-regarded ABC News/Washington Post survey, which found similar results nationally ....



</span>http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-shows-americans-oppose-entitlement-cuts-to-deal-with-debt-problem/2011/04/19/AFoiAH9D_story.html


<span style='font-size: 17pt'>in late April, with just 21 percent supporting Medicare cuts and 30 percent supporting Medicaid cuts.</span>

The PPP surveys had margins of error ranging from 2.6 percent to 3.1 percent.
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Today is the day!!!

Here's to a Democratic Win, in upstate NY, which will turn the former "Courageous" Ryan, into yet another divorced Repiglican, LMAO! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif

pooltchr
05-24-2011, 06:13 AM
You think that a democrat winning an election in upstate New York is an indicator of anything unusual?

Just how uninformed can you be?????????????


Steve

Gayle in MD
05-24-2011, 06:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You think that a democrat winning an election in upstate New York is an indicator of anything unusual?

Just how uninformed can you be?????????????


Steve </div></div>


<span style="color: #660000"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! Don't usually click on your Bs, but thanks for the laugh. I won't even begin to try to explain to you how totally ignorant and uninformed, you just proved yourself to be, with that statement!!!!



HA HA HA HA...made my morning!

Thanks for the laugh.

BTW, you're a joke!

G.</span> </span>

LWW
05-24-2011, 08:59 AM
So now you are saying the democrooks won't vote to cut Medicare to bolster Obamacare ... without which the Obamacare projections implode ... after spending a couple of years swearing that beyond any shadow of a doubt they would, and that you supported it?

That is simply precious.

pooltchr
05-24-2011, 09:37 AM
Easy. The poor girl doesn't even know what to believe any more. Just imagine how confusing it must be when the "truth" you are told changes on a near daily basis!

Steve

sack316
05-24-2011, 09:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You think that a democrat winning an election in upstate New York is an indicator of anything unusual?

Just how uninformed can you be?????????????


Steve </div></div>

Actually Steve, this one would be something unusual.

What is being ignored, though, is that if the Democratic candidate wins it is less likely a referendum on the republican policies so much as it is that a 'Tea Party' candidate is running independently and will sway votes from the republican candidate. (IE 2 candidates will be sharing the same voters, whereas the D splits w/ no one else).

Now should Kathy Hochul (D) win the seat with &gt;50% of the votethe Dems may be cooking with something. If she wins, which I think she is going to, with &lt;50%... well the Dems can still celebrate, but should still be sure to thank Jack Davis for swaying (currently) 12% of the vote away from Jane Corwin (R).

And that's what's really happening

Sack

LWW
05-24-2011, 09:56 AM
Please, do not continue to inject reality into discussions such as this.

pooltchr
05-24-2011, 10:43 AM
Good points.

Steve

Soflasnapper
05-24-2011, 02:57 PM
This has bothered me in some of the reporting I've seen.

They play up the tight race, but omit to mention the third party influence, which I agree has been key. So they lie by omission to make a better story. Which I hate to see on any side. BAD lefty spinners, BAD!

Now both Rachel and O'Donnell have an answer on more recent poll results to this complaint. As the t-party guy's numbers have been going down, the D in the race is gaining at a far more rapid rate than the R in the race, roughly a 2-1 pickup rate. Meaning, at least for these late changing deciders, MORE of them are going to the D candidate, so arguendo, the third party candidate is also harming the D candidate, perhaps more so than the R candidate (at this time, and with these late deciders at least).

That's an interesting take, and there may be some truth to it. At least it acknowledges the fact of the 3-way split's effect, which is far better than pretending it's all about the Ryan Medicare proposal.

LWW
05-24-2011, 03:02 PM
Yeah ... I just drove by an empty lot of moonbat crazy leftist democrook voters not protesting big gubmint.

Yer funny ... and Rachel Madcow is a, well a mad cow named Rachel.

Gayle in MD
05-25-2011, 10:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sack316</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You think that a democrat winning an election in upstate New York is an indicator of anything unusual?

Just how uninformed can you be?????????????


Steve </div></div>

Actually Steve, this one would be something unusual.

What is being ignored, though, is that if the Democratic candidate wins it is less likely a referendum on the republican policies so much as it is that a 'Tea Party' candidate is running independently and will sway votes from the republican candidate. (IE 2 candidates will be sharing the same voters, whereas the D splits w/ no one else).

Now should Kathy Hochul (D) win the seat with &gt;50% of the votethe Dems may be cooking with something. If she wins, which I think she is going to, with &lt;50%... well the Dems can still celebrate, but should still be sure to thank Jack Davis for swaying (currently) 12% of the vote away from Jane Corwin (R).

And that's what's really happening

Sack </div></div>


My reading, and watching, even on Scarborough, and the polls, suggests that the third candidate, the Tea Party, Guy, would have to take votes in the double digits, to be considered a factor, since, so many Tea Partiers, held up signs, sayng, Don't Touch My Medicare.


As it turned out the Democratic Candidate won, and won with a very healthy margin, in a district that had been Republilcan for a century, according to Pat Buchannon.

Then there is the factor, that Medicare was listed above all other concerns, by respondants to the polling, of the registered voters, across the board, right and left, which IMO, points to this being a referendum on the Ryan Plan.

Rove went in there and spent a small fortune, Boehner made an appearance, Republicans pulled out all of the stops, according what what Im reading, and still, they lost the seat to a Democratic who promised to protect Medicare.

The Republican Party, can deny it all they want, but, IMO, this was a referendum on the Ryan Plan, and the Republican intention to destroy Medicare, as we know it, while they give more money to the wealthy, in their usual, policy of Social Engineering, taking from all to give more tax cuts subsidies and loopholes, to the top one and a half percent.


Now, at least three high profile Repubs, several who had made statements in support of Ryan's plan, are refusing to vote for it, and the flip flopping that's going on, by the Repubs, like the guy in Kennedy's seat, is hilarious, they are literally bumping into themselves, with ever changing reiterations of what he, (They) MEANT to say, about the Ryan Plan.

But, as we know, the Republicans will play it down, and pretend it had nothing to do with the Ryan Plan, to destroy Medicare, unlike their rhetoric when an unknown Repub, won Kennedy's old seat, lol.

G.