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Gayle in MD
05-26-2011, 08:58 AM
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Voters Turn Sharply Away from Tea Party Governors in Florida, Wisconsin
By: David Dayen Wednesday May 25, 2011 11:05 am
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People will attribute the Democratic win in NY-26 to the House GOP plan to end Medicare, and they should. But this backlash actually started much earlier. It started after Republican governors tried to attack workers and push a far-right agenda on states that didn’t want it. Now these governors are paying a high price in terms of popularity.

In Florida, Rick Scott is at almost comically low levels after less than six months on the job.

Florida voters disapprove 57 – 29 percent of the job Gov. Rick Scott is doing, the worst score of any governor in the states surveyed by Quinnipiac University and down from a 48 – 35 percent disapproval in an April 6 survey, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

The state’s new budget is unfair to people like them, voters tell the independent Quinnipiac University poll 54 – 29 percent. Gov. Scott and the State Legislature are equally responsible for the budget, 68 percent of voters say. The legislature’s job approval rating is nearly identical to that of the governor, as voters disapprove 56 – 27 percent, compared to 47 – 35 percent disapproval in April.

This isn’t some Democratic bastion, it’s the ultimate swing state, and Scott’s branding of the GOP as extremely unpopular has to hurt them in the overall scheme of things.

The same thing is happening in Wisconsin, where a high-profile attack on collective bargaining rights has really torpedoed Scott Walker.

Scott Walker’s popularity has continued to decline over the last three months and Wisconsin voters now say they would vote to recall him if there was an election today. They also say they would pick either Russ Feingold or Tom Barrett over Walker in a head to head match up.

43% of voters now approve of the job Walker is doing to 54% who disapprove. When PPP polled the state in late February it was 46% of voters approving to 52% disapproval. Walker’s numbers now are virtually identical to where they were before with Democrats and Republicans but with independents he’s seen his popularity continue to decline from a 45/53 approval spread to a 40/56 one.

Voters split evenly in February at 48% on the question of recalling Walker but now the needle has moved towards bare majority support for removing him early from office. 50% say they would support a recall to 47% who are opposed. That Walker’s disapproval is 54% but the support for recall is only 50% shows there are still some voters who dislike him but wouldn’t go so far as to support removing him from office, but there aren’t many.

Unlike Florida, Wisconsin will have the opportunity to voice their disapproval of Walker very rapidly. There are recall elections coming up in July, and in the PPP poll voters said they’d rather have a Democratic state Senate by a count of 50-42. They flip three seats in July and they get that wish. In addition, Walker himself could be up for a recall come January. PPP has the numbers for that, but they also polled head-to-head matchups between Walker and both Russ Feingold and Tom Barrett. Feingold leads 52-42, and Barrett leads 50-43.

Republicans spent all their political capital on unpopular decisions in a matter of months, and they’re paying a political price. Was it worth it in terms of policy? At the federal level, no, or at least not yet. At the state level, the changes made by Walker and Scott, if they stick, would change those states fundamentally for decades to come. A lot rides on the legal outcome of the anti-union bill in Wisconsin. If they lose the state Senate and don’t even get the collective bargaining changes implemented, then that would be more of a waste.

UPDATE: And now we see that John Kasich looks just as bad as these guys in Ohio, with a 33-56 approval rating. These Tea Party governors are going down in flames.

Perky
05-26-2011, 09:20 AM
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Gayle in MD
05-26-2011, 09:34 AM
Yep, and Christie too...

Chris Christie's Poll Numbers Crash
by: Hopeful
Fri May 13, 2011 at 12:35:11 AM EDT


The latest poll from Survey USA tells us we won't be hearing about how popular New Jersey Governor Chris Christie is for long:

New Jersey Republican Governor Chris Christie, beloved by some and despised by others for his bluntness, has a Minus 18 job approval today as speculation continues about whether Christie should run for President. 38% of NJ adults approve of the job Christie is doing, 56% disapprove.
According to this latest Eyewitness News Poll conducted by SurveyUSA exclusively for WABC-TV in New York City, NJ voters by 5:1 say Christie should not run for President.

* By 2:1, NJ voters say Christie would be a worse president than Barack Obama.
* Obama carried NJ in 2008 by 15 points. Obama's approval rating in NJ today is Plus 14 (54% approve, 40% disapprove).
* Voters split evenly on whether Christie would be better president than George W. Bush.



http://www.bluejersey.com/diary/18500/chris-christies-poll-numbers-crash

eg8r
05-26-2011, 11:16 AM
It is a sad day when we look back and wish Charlie was still the Gov.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-26-2011, 11:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a sad day when we look back and wish Charlie was still the Gov.

eg8r </div></div>

I guess so. Sorry about that, Ed.

eg8r
05-26-2011, 01:22 PM
I have a lot of family members that are on the government "dole" and they are quite pissed off with Scott right now.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-26-2011, 09:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a lot of family members that are on the government "dole" and they are quite pissed off with Scott right now.

eg8r </div></div>

I have a lot of friends who live in Florida who were furious that Scott turned down the Stumulus money for the high speed Rail, after dealing with that horrible traffic problem along that nightmare highway, for decades.

As my friend in St Pete, tells me, that is a dreaded strip of traffic problems, particularly during rush hours.

In fact, that was supposed to be just the first leg, it was eventually supposed to go all the way through to the East Coast, which would have been great for Florida, in many ways.

G,

Qtec
05-27-2011, 12:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a sad day when we look back and wish Charlie was still the Gov.

eg8r </div></div>

Just have to say it, I TOLD YOU SO.

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Qtec
05-27-2011, 12:54 AM
What do you mean, 'the government "dole" '?

Are they ex-public workers?

Q

Qtec
05-27-2011, 01:01 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a lot of family members that are on the government "dole" and they are quite pissed off with Scott right now.

eg8r </div></div>

Just tell them sacrifices have to be made. You want the deficit to be reduced, don't you?

Q

Gayle in MD
05-27-2011, 10:03 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a lot of family members that are on the government "dole" and they are quite pissed off with Scott right now.

eg8r </div></div>

Just tell them sacrifices have to be made. You want the deficit to be reduced, don't you?

Q </div></div>

I hope he isn't talking about people who are on their Medicare and Social Security, which they have paid into their entire adult lives!

G.

Qtec
05-27-2011, 11:02 AM
Rick Scott.

snake (http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/25/2236764/rick-scott-vetoes-record-615m.html)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Rick Scott vetoes record $615m from budget

Rick Scott vetoed a record amount of spending in the state’s budget at a campaign-style event in which Democrats were forbidden from attending.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/25/2236764/rick-scott-vetoes-record-615m.html#ixzz1NZa5obZi



“What is more surprising is the governor’s sudden emphasis on K-12 education. The budget we sent him funds education at a higher level than the governor recommended just a few months ago, when he proposed a 10 percent cut,” Cannon wrote. “The governor communicated numerous priorities during session, and we did our best to accommodate him. It would have been helpful if the governor had shared this new found emphasis with us before the budget was finalized.”

<u>In his speech Thursday, Scott omitted many of the serious-sounding programs he cut:</u> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>homeless veterans, meals for poor seniors, a council for deafness, a children’s hospital, cancer research, public radio, whooping-cough vaccines for poor mothers, or aid for the paralyzed.</span>

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/25/2236764/rick-scott-vetoes-record-615m.html#ixzz1NZauxyFU
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Some guy.

Q

Gayle in MD
05-27-2011, 11:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rick Scott.

snake (http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/25/2236764/rick-scott-vetoes-record-615m.html)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Rick Scott vetoes record $615m from budget

Rick Scott vetoed a record amount of spending in the state’s budget at a campaign-style event in which Democrats were forbidden from attending.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/25/2236764/rick-scott-vetoes-record-615m.html#ixzz1NZa5obZi



“What is more surprising is the governor’s sudden emphasis on K-12 education. The budget we sent him funds education at a higher level than the governor recommended just a few months ago, when he proposed a 10 percent cut,” Cannon wrote. “The governor communicated numerous priorities during session, and we did our best to accommodate him. It would have been helpful if the governor had shared this new found emphasis with us before the budget was finalized.”

<u>In his speech Thursday, Scott omitted many of the serious-sounding programs he cut:</u> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>homeless veterans, meals for poor seniors, a council for deafness, a children’s hospital, cancer research, public radio, whooping-cough vaccines for poor mothers, or aid for the paralyzed.</span>

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/05/25/2236764/rick-scott-vetoes-record-615m.html#ixzz1NZauxyFU
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Some guy.

Q </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Other staffers and Republican operatives scoured the crowd and had Sumter County sheriff’s deputies remove those with anti-Scott signs or liberal-looking pins and buttons. They escorted more than a dozen people off the property.

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Pig!

I see the all of the Repiglican Candidats for President, doing the same famous Sharon Angle, run From The Press, Act.

Remember, all of the Repigs did that in the last election.

Repiglicans refuse any interviews, except from the RW Press.

Newt, was on the run, yesterday.

Pawlenty, was bashing the same stimulus money that save loads of jobs in his state, and dumb enough to do it at a company that wouldn't even be up and running, without the stimulus money they recieved.


They're all Pigs!

G.

eg8r
05-28-2011, 10:12 AM
I did. I said, "Welcome to the real world where we pay real money for our HC and retirement." Did they like it, nope. Unlike yourself, I have a spine and will state the truth as it is.

eg8r

eg8r
05-28-2011, 10:14 AM
I am talking about current government employees. I have no sympathy that they now have to pay real money for their HC and retirement instead of me paying exorbitants amount to subsidize their "better than the average Americans" HC policy.

eg8r

eg8r
05-28-2011, 10:18 AM
I don't like Scott and have disagreed with a few things but I also am adult enough to know that spending cuts affect everyone.

It is idiots like you that look for extreme examples. If I was to say I was going to be cutting down spending on my children, you would be the first idiot to say I was cutting meals for my starving children, when in reality is just means no more toys will be purchased during visits to the grocery store.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-28-2011, 10:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am talking about current government employees. I have no sympathy that they now have to pay real money for their HC and retirement instead of me paying exorbitants amount to subsidize their "better than the average Americans" HC policy.

eg8r </div></div>


They do pay real money, Ed. They still pay into Medicare, SS, and everything that all other workers pay into.


Sorry to hear your company doesn't provide decent affordable health care, Ed.

And, doesn't your company get most of their contracts, from the US Government?

Sev
05-28-2011, 10:31 AM
They still blather about the "High Speed Rail".
Creating would be a logistical nightmare due to population density.

I can only imagine the endless eminent domain cases that would be going to court.

Entire tracks of people would be disenfranchised from their homes as the new track lines were laid.

They can talk all they want. Between geographical and environmentalist problems the thing might never get off the ground. Just a waist of money.

eg8r
05-28-2011, 10:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They do pay real money, Ed. They still pay into Medicare, SS, and everything that all other workers pay into.
</div></div>Why are you referring to items that I did not mention?

As for my company, they offer a plan that I am willing to pay for. If they change that then I will make the decision to keep paying or not. This is exactly what I have said to my family members when they said it was not right for the Governor to increase their costs. I laughed and welcomed them to the real world.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-28-2011, 10:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They do pay real money, Ed. They still pay into Medicare, SS, and everything that all other workers pay into.
</div></div>Why are you referring to items that I did not mention?

As for my company, they offer a plan that I am willing to pay for. If they change that then I will make the decision to keep paying or not. This is exactly what I have said to my family members when they said it was not right for the Governor to increase their costs. I laughed and welcomed them to the real world.

eg8r </div></div>

I asked you if your company gets most of their contracts from the US Government?

G.

eg8r
05-28-2011, 10:47 AM
I do believe they. That usually is how private corporations in the defense industry keep afloat.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-28-2011, 11:03 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do believe they. That usually is how private corporations in the defense industry keep afloat.

eg8r </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I do believe they.</div></div>
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Yeah, good to know that government money, is supporting your private defense industry medical plan.


IOW, Tax revenues, pay for your health care, just as tax revenues, pay for our government worker's health care, along with their own taxes, and withholdings, for medicare, Social Seucrity, etc, etc....
G.

eg8r
05-29-2011, 03:47 PM
Hey well then I guess I am glad they are now paying the same as I do since we are both getting tax revenues. You see you have no ground here and no point. None of this takes away from the fact that it is about freaking time they start paying what the rest of us have been paying for all these years.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-31-2011, 10:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey well then I guess I am glad they are now paying the same as I do since we are both getting tax revenues. You see you have no ground here and no point. None of this takes away from the fact that it is about freaking time they start paying what the rest of us have been paying for all these years.

eg8r </div></div>

They have been paying what the rest pay. Do you think that Federal Workers, don't pay into Medicare, and Social Security?

Additionally, if we didn't have a boatload of WAR PROFITEERING Federal contractors, Lobbying and vying for our revenues, to support the Military Industrial Complex, our country wouldn't have been darined by the Rah Rah War Profiteering Neocons, in the first place, for the entire Bush Administration.

So, belileve me, that salary you get, more than covers anything you should be bitching about, if you care to check where most of our revenues end up going!


G.

eg8r
05-31-2011, 11:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They have been paying what the rest pay. Do you think that Federal Workers, don't pay into Medicare, and Social Security?
</div></div>I honestly think you are provoking me now. I have not been talking about medicare or social security at all in this thread. If you don't want to discuss the topic then keep your comments to yourself. It is enough to try and keep you on subject let alone also discuss your strawman arguments.

eg8r

pooltchr
05-31-2011, 12:04 PM
That's her style. She throws so much out there in hopes of confusing the issue.

Quite simply, she can't understand the difference between government employees, and private business employees who do business with the government.

But she's never been one to be able to understand simple concepts.

Steve

Sev
05-31-2011, 08:06 PM
A sign of a wonker.

Qtec
06-01-2011, 01:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am talking about current government employees. I have no sympathy that they now have to pay real money for their HC and retirement instead of me paying exorbitants amount to subsidize their "better than the average Americans" HC policy.

eg8r </div></div>

When you got your contract, you knew how much you will earn and how much you have to pay yourself for HC coverage. You signed, you made a deal.
<u>So did the public workers when they signed their contract.</u> Instead of cash, they accepted less take home pay than private workers in exchange for good HC coverage and a decent pension.

BTW, when this first kicked off in Wisconsin [ about how its the public workers who are to blame - not Wall St.],<span style='font-size: 14pt'> the public workers had already agreed to pay more for their HC,</span> they just didn't agree with [ the mini-Hitler called ] WALKER, from taking away their rights.

Your company has no incentive to cuts costs. Whatever you do, the tax payer pays for it.

Q..

Gayle in MD
06-01-2011, 07:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They have been paying what the rest pay. Do you think that Federal Workers, don't pay into Medicare, and Social Security?
</div></div>I honestly think you are provoking me now. I have not been talking about medicare or social security at all in this thread. If you don't want to discuss the topic then keep your comments to yourself. It is enough to try and keep you on subject let alone also discuss your strawman arguments.

eg8r </div></div>



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am talking about current government employees. I have no sympathy that they now have to pay real money for their HC and retirement instead of me paying exorbitants amount to subsidize their "better than the average Americans" HC policy.

eg8r


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Yes, you were.

G.

eg8r
06-01-2011, 08:30 AM
Oh, I get it, you don't know the difference between HC (health insurance) and medicare/SS. Let me clue you in, those people paying for their health insurance are doing so ON TOP OF THE MEDICARE/SS deductions. As a suggestion, why don't you read/think about what I typed before shooting from the hip in response.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-01-2011, 08:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh, I get it, you don't know the difference between HC (health insurance) and medicare/SS. Let me clue you in, those people paying for their health insurance are doing so ON TOP OF THE MEDICARE/SS deductions. As a suggestion, why don't you read/think about what I typed before shooting from the hip in response.

eg8r </div></div>

Why don't you?????

We are all paying for your great health care plan, with OUR tax dollars, as long as your company is paying for your great plan, from defense dollars, IOW, from our tax dollars.

We all pay into Medicare, and SS. Government workers, as well.

Repiglicans are trying to destroy Medicare, as we know it. Basically, THEY are stealing the dollars, that all the American workers, under fifty-five, have paid into the program, their whole working lives, in order to give more subsiidies to the wealthy top one and a half percent, who cheat on their taxes!!!!

They are throwing seniors to the non exsitant mercy of the Health Insurance Industry.

Most Medicare fraud, is prosecuted BY the Health Insurance, Big pharma, and Medical industries.

Those who are too poor to pay income taxes, are STILL paying taxes!

Why did Repiglicans try to block high fines, for business owners who are working illegals, under the table????

The tax evaders, are the top corporate CEO's, who are draining the nation's economy, and outsourcing jobs, polluting the environement, pulling their con games on Wall St., stealing the wealth of the world, with their crooked, greedy theft, while cheating on their fair share of taxes.

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Repiglicans are working WITH those corporate Thieves, who are seeking to destroy the only voice, American Workers have, the UNIONS.

this thread is about Repiglican Governors going down in flames.

Why do you think that is happening????

The imagined "Mandate" the right falsely assumed, for Repiglican policies???

LMAO!

Nitwits!

They know now, it was the same ol' same ol' Repiglican LIES for VOTES!

G.

eg8r
06-01-2011, 08:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why don't you?????
</div></div>I am not the one throwing up strawman arguments, it was you. You did not take the time to actually comprehend what I was posting and you continually talked about other stuff. So until you change your ways just keep you comments to yourself.

eg8r

Qtec
06-01-2011, 09:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Let me clue you in, those people <u>paying for their health insurance are doing so ON TOP OF THE MEDICARE/SS deductions.</u></div></div>

..and the senior citizens of today have been doing the same for the last 50 years.
Now you want to say , "FK you."


Nice.

Q

Gayle in MD
06-01-2011, 09:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Let me clue you in, those people <u>paying for their health insurance are doing so ON TOP OF THE MEDICARE/SS deductions.</u></div></div>

..and the senior citizens of today have been doing the same for the last 50 years.
Now you want to say , "FK you."


Nice.

Q </div></div>

And how many under fifty five, are Repiglicans cheating, right when they are facing sending their kids to college!!!

It IS repiglican social engineering. they are cutting everything the is good for the country, to give more to the wealthy top one and a half percent, which will add trillions to the deficit!!!

More and more for the top, NON JOB PRODUCERS!

pooltchr
06-01-2011, 09:32 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
More and more for the top, NON JOB PRODUCERS!

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You freaking idiot! Where do our jobs come from? The greeter at Wal-Mart? The burger flipper at McDonalds?

Or do they come from the evil wealthy business owners?

Steve

eg8r
06-01-2011, 09:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">..and the senior citizens of today have been doing the same for the last 50 years.
Now you want to say , "FK you."
</div></div>Wow the village idiot is out in full force today. Do you still keep that note next to you bedside table and repeat it everyday, "I, qtip, will do my best to act the fool on the CCB and make sure no one ever takes away my Village Idiot trophy".

You and Gayle have decided to completely ignore the actual text that you are reading and have chosen to sink your teeth into Medicare and SS which I am not even referring to. Do either of you two know the difference between paying for health insurance and paying in for Med/SS? Do you really? Is it really that hard to understand?

If is about time the freaking government "on-the-dole" workers started paying for their health care here in Florida. My brothers girlfriend has been getting it free of charge for years but now it will cost her a few hundred bucks a month. I told her, "welcome to the real world". Now, are the two of you able to wrap your heads about what I am talking about? This has nothing to do with Medicare and Social Security.

eg8r

eg8r
06-01-2011, 10:02 AM
Oh jeesh, here we go, you guys going off topic and then running with it.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-01-2011, 10:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh jeesh, here we go, you guys going off topic and then running with it.

eg8r </div></div>

LOL. Read the damn title of the thread!

G.

eg8r
06-01-2011, 10:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">RePIG Governors Going Down In Flames!</div></div>OK, we have that clear. Now we start on down the thread and I was talking about how the Florida Gov is making state employees cover their own health insurance and you start changing the subject by taLking about Med/SS. I clue you in about changing the subject and then qtip jumps on the bandwagon with you and the two of you are off to the races about something we are not even talking about. The title of the thread says nothing about qtips post in which you responded.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-01-2011, 11:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">RePIG Governors Going Down In Flames!</div></div>OK, we have that clear. Now we start on down the thread and I was talking about how the Florida Gov is making state employees cover their own health insurance and you start changing the subject by taLking about Med/SS. I clue you in about changing the subject and then qtip jumps on the bandwagon with you and the two of you are off to the races about something we are not even talking about. The title of the thread says nothing about qtips post in which you responded.

eg8r </div></div>

Medicare and SS are part and parcel of the original subject, RePIG Governors Going Down In Flames.

G.

eg8r
06-01-2011, 01:39 PM
So I started out saying it is sad that we have Scott but I am glad he is forcing the state employees to finally pay real money for their HC and retirement. You try to make this personal by pointing out the fact that I work for a defense contractor but that doesn't stick because I still pay for my HC and retirement yet the state workers were not. So your next attempt to discredit what I am saying is to change the subject and "try" to make this about Medicare and SS but that goes nowhere also because I am not going to sit back and let you change the subject. Scott is not making state workers very happy because they are now going to be required to pay for their own HC and retirement. Welcome to the real world.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-02-2011, 09:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I started out saying it is sad that we have Scott but I am glad he is forcing the state employees to finally pay real money for their HC and retirement. You try to make this personal by pointing out the fact that I work for a defense contractor but that doesn't stick because I still pay for my HC and retirement yet the state workers were not. So your next attempt to discredit what I am saying is to change the subject and "try" to make this about Medicare and SS but that goes nowhere also because I am not going to sit back and let you change the subject. Scott is not making state workers very happy because they are now going to be required to pay for their own HC and retirement. Welcome to the real world.

eg8r </div></div>

So you have absolutely NO benefits in your job?

No 401 K match?

No company health Care plan?

No company Retirement plan?

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Public Sector workers don't get high salaries.

That's why, teachers, firemen, highway workers, police, etc, need UNIONS to negotiate for them in the form of benefits, ot offset their crappy pay.

How would teachers get by, or policemen, or highway workers, get by, with our unsustainable health costs for care and insurance, without those benefits?

The right prefers a "Free Market" under which, you are all paying for every illegal in this country, and every irresponaible person, who chooses not to get Health Insurance, and then has an accident, or becomes ill, and goes to the emergency room, for the most expensive H.C. of all, yet you scream Socialism, when the President tries to implement a mandate, (which closely followed an original Republican plan)that prohibits irresponsible, or illegal others from runnig up our costs, or forcing us to pay ALL ofthose higher costs for others.

Want to know the costs that bother me the most, generally speaking, of course, DEFENSE costs, which are far too often just more gouging of the tax payer, by contractors, who are well connected to Congress.

My point,.... I certainly don't hold YOU personally resonsible, because you work for a defense contractor, my point, everyone has to make a living, and the right seems to be ready to blame everyone else, except the Republican Party, which blocks regulations, blocks wasting our tax dollars, on protecting oil, unsustainable medical costs, unsustainable Health insurance, and pharma costs, and spent our country into the debt ditch.

Most of our debts, are still from The Bush Tax Cuts, and foreigng policy, trillion dollar unpaid for pharmaceutical giveaways to big pharma, wich no clue how to pay for any of it, no bid defense contractors, uncheck corporate overcharges for seven years in Iraq, warring for no good purpose, blowing money by the Repiglican blank check, record breaking spending borrowing, wasting and stealing, Congress.

Now, that we have that straight...


"RePIG Governors Going Down In Flames!"

Back to the subject????

G.

moblsv
06-02-2011, 09:58 AM
As the Teabaggers get so worked up over losing "freedom" and "Liberty" to the big, bad Guberment, they are handing over all our rights to the Corporations. It's getting more difficult than ever to take responsibility for yourself and leave a bad situation. Can't start my own business because Health Care is tied to my employment, can't make things better where I'm at because employees are losing all rights.

We are being bludgeoned to death with a perverted interpretation of the Constitution and mobs of morons willing to slit their own throats following their authority figures.

Funny how we Liberals spent eight years yelling at the tops of our lungs about the deficit, the wasteful war spending, the huge tax breaks to for the rich and everything else that created this deficit and now the Teabaggers are upset at the poor, who had nothing to do with creating this mess.

Gayle in MD
06-02-2011, 10:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: moblsv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As the Teabaggers get so worked up over losing "freedom" and "Liberty" to the big, bad Guberment, they are handing over all our rights to the Corporations. It's getting more difficult than ever to take responsibility for yourself and leave a bad situation. Can't start my own business because Health Care is tied to my employment, can't make things better where I'm at because employees are losing all rights.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>We are being bludgeoned to death with a perverted interpretation of the Constitution and mobs of morons willing to slit their own throats following their authority figures.</span>


Funny how we Liberals spent eight years yelling at the tops of our lungs about the deficit, the wasteful war spending, the huge tax breaks to for the rich and everything else that created this deficit and now the Teabaggers are upset at the poor, who had nothing to do with creating this mess. </div></div>

Tap Tap Tap!!!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We are being bludgeoned to death with a perverted interpretation of the Constitution and mobs of morons willing to slit their own throats following their authority figures. </div></div>

And a quick look at those authority figures, is proof of their irrational POV, and their lack of "Critical thinking Skills"

Spot On!



Somebody should cut off their index fingers, LOL. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif


J.Kidding, but you know what I mean. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif

eg8r
06-02-2011, 10:08 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So you have absolutely NO benefits in your job?
</div></div>Uh oh, changing the subject again. It must take the strength to move a mountain to keep you on the subject.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Public Sector workers don't get high salaries.
</div></div>What a laugh. My friend is making a small mint compared to the work he does looking at meters. Sorry but I have too many family and friends on the government dole that make plenty. Two fire fighters in our family both make over $100K/year. Not too shabby at all. Hardly food stamp money if you ask me. Again it is about time they all start paying for their retirement and HC.

eg8r

eg8r
06-02-2011, 10:09 AM
So again, change the subject and gayle jumps right in. Jeesh, if you guys can't keep on subject what is the point?

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-02-2011, 10:09 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So you have absolutely NO benefits in your job?
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bump.

eg8r
06-02-2011, 10:10 AM
I am not willing to change the subject. If you want to discuss what I am have been discussing fine, if not keep you comments to yourself.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-02-2011, 10:12 AM
YOU brought it up!

Are you refusing to answer, because our tax dollars pay for ALL of the defense contractors salaries????

LOL...you're SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO transparent! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

eg8r
06-02-2011, 10:30 AM
Please quote me where I brought up company benefits other than paying for HC and retirement?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you refusing to answer, because our tax dollars pay for ALL of the defense contractors salaries????
</div></div>Nope, you were already shot down on that earlier. Whether they pay salary or not isn't part of the subject. That would happen to be common ground between the two which is why when you point it out is shows us that you have no ground and are grasping for whatever you can.

The subject is whether it is about time they pay for their own HC and retirement like the rest of us. Hopefully Scott can push that through. Your attempt to attack me is bouncing off like crazy because you cannot wrap your head around the fact that I am correct. Sorry but you lose.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-02-2011, 10:43 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please quote me where I brought up company benefits other than paying for HC and retirement?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Are you refusing to answer, because our tax dollars pay for ALL of the defense contractors salaries????
</div></div>Nope, you were already shot down on that earlier. Whether they pay salary or not isn't part of the subject. That would happen to be common ground between the two which is why when you point it out is shows us that you have no ground and are grasping for whatever you can.

The subject is whether it is about time they pay for their own HC and retirement like the rest of us. Hopefully Scott can push that through. Your attempt to attack me is bouncing off like crazy because you cannot wrap your head around the fact that I am correct. Sorry but you lose.

eg8r </div></div>

No, you are denying that you pay for everything, with tax dollars!

That's OK though?

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eg8r
06-02-2011, 11:50 AM
I did not deny a single thing. The problem is that with your sour attitude you are ignoring what is actually written and moving along with your strawman. I am refusing to allow you to do it.

eg8r

pooltchr
06-02-2011, 11:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Want to know the costs that bother me the most, generally speaking, of course, DEFENSE costs,
G. </div></div>

No surprise there. You leftwingnuts claim you support our troops, while at the same time, you resent every dime that is spent on the military!

And you have the nerve to call other people PIG??????????

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Steve

eg8r
06-02-2011, 12:10 PM
Yes, it is evident that she forgets how those soldiers are paid and who pays for their protection. When the IED issue was on the front pages she was pissed we were not spending enough and now that those stories are gone she wishes we never spent the money.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-02-2011, 12:12 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Want to know the costs that bother me the most, generally speaking, of course, DEFENSE costs,
G. </div></div>

No surprise there. You leftwingnuts claim you support our troops, while at the same time, you resent every dime that is spent on the military!

And you have the nerve to call other people PIG??????????

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Steve </div></div>

I don't resent a single dime, spent on our troops. In fact, I RAISE MONEY FOR OUR TROOPS!

It was the REPIGLICANS who voted against giving our troops, the money they sorely need, AND our first respnders, on 9/11.

Dunce!

Gayle in MD
06-02-2011, 12:18 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, it is evident that she forgets how those soldiers are paid and who pays for their protection. When the IED issue was on the front pages she was pissed we were not spending enough and now that those stories are gone she wishes we never spent the money.

eg8r </div></div>

LIE, LIE, LIE!

It's your party who cuts benefits for our troops, and sends them into battle, without decent equipment to protect themselves.

I can assure you, I have raised far more money for our troops, and time invested, than anyone on this forum!

The money for our troops, our first resoonders, both here, AND on the battle field, AND after they come home, is what Repiglicans vote AGainst, and also what YOU whine about!!!

Who do you call to put out the fires in your neighborhood?

Who comes to YOUR aid, when Florida suffers a hurricane??

Who teachers the kids in your state??

YOU are the one who spouts off against our responders, not me, and your federally funded salary, is far higher, than those who do respond.

Private War Contractors, ARE NOT our troops.

G.

pooltchr
06-02-2011, 12:31 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It's your party who cuts benefits for our troops, and sends them into battle, without decent equipment to protect themselves.



G.
</div></div>

And where the heck do you think that equipment comes from? Do you think the government has manufacturing plants that make it? Or do they use those evil government contractors (Like Ed's company) to get it?

Do you ever have any consistency of thought? It seems like you just hate whatever it is that you are told to hate, but only when you are told to hate it.

Try using the brain God gave you once in a while!

IF, and that's a big IF, you actually do any volunteer work for the troops, I suspect it is probably just to elevate your stature in your little social circle. You have already admitted you resent your tax dollars going to defense! You can't bury that one...you lefties all seem to hate the military, and want to cut their budget at every turn. Then you have the nerve to complain about them not having the equipment they need!

Nucking Futz!!!!!!!!!!!



Steve

eg8r
06-02-2011, 12:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LIE, LIE, LIE!
</div></div>No it was not a lie. You were pissed then because not enough was spent and now you are pissed because it was spent. Our soldiers are part of the defense budget whether you like it or not.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-02-2011, 12:44 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
It's your party who cuts benefits for our troops, and sends them into battle, without decent equipment to protect themselves.



G.
</div></div>

And where the heck do you think that equipment comes from? Do you think the government has manufacturing plants that make it? Or do they use those evil government contractors (Like Ed's company) to get it?

Do you ever have any consistency of thought? It seems like you just hate whatever it is that you are told to hate, but only when you are told to hate it.

Try using the brain God gave you once in a while!

IF, and that's a big IF, you actually do any volunteer work for the troops, I suspect it is probably just to elevate your stature in your little social circle. You have already admitted you resent your tax dollars going to defense! You can't bury that one...you lefties all seem to hate the military, and want to cut their budget at every turn. Then you have the nerve to complain about them not having the equipment they need!

Nucking Futz!!!!!!!!!!!



Steve </div></div>


You are beyond stupid.

Do you think that every federal contractor, is selling us something our troops need?

Have you ever heard of the Military Industrial Complex????

Do you have any clue what Eisenhower's warning was all about?

There is not a singloe one on this forum from the right, not a one, who has consistantly defended our troops, and condemned the Bush Administration, for the shabby way in which the Bush Administration, AND the RePiglican Party, treated them.


Your hatred, and determination to twist everything into a lie, speaks for itself.

WE ALL KNOW that Rumsfeld, THE WAR CRIMINAL, sent our people into battle, unequipped, without even decent helmets, while they were being blown up on the same streets, in the same way, for years!


Stuff it, idiot!
It's the RePIGlicans, who vote agsint spending money for our troops, and first resonders, in our wars, and in our country's communities!

Ed, is bashing others, who get tax dollars, while he is getting tax dollars, himself.

There was more waste, theft and abuse by No Bid Contractors, in Iraq, and the Military Industrial Complex, for un-necessary spending on defense contracts, than anywhere else in government!

Stuff it, Bubba.

pooltchr
06-02-2011, 01:17 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You are beyond stupid.



Stuff it, idiot!


Stuff it, Bubba. </div></div>

Very adult of you!

Did I say that all government contractors provide for the military, or did I say all military equipment comes from government contractors? Even YOU should be able to see the difference.

The government buys computers from HP...are all HP employees living off tax dollars? But HP is a government contractor.

The government buys cereal from Kelloggs...are Kelloggs employees living off tax dollars?

The government buys cars from GM. Does that mean all GM employees.....oh, maybe that's a bad example. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

You seem to have a serious problem grasping adult concepts, much as you have a problem acting like an adult.

Maybe you need to move your forum participation to something more suitable....SesameStreetdotcom.

Steve

Gayle in MD
06-02-2011, 01:28 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You are beyond stupid.



Stuff it, idiot!


Stuff it, Bubba. </div></div>

Very adult of you!

Did I say that all government contractors provide for the military, or did I say all military equipment comes from government contractors? Even YOU should be able to see the difference.

The government buys computers from HP...are all HP employees living off tax dollars? But HP is a government contractor.

The government buys cereal from Kelloggs...are Kelloggs employees living off tax dollars?

The government buys cars from GM. Does that mean all GM employees.....oh, maybe that's a bad example. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

You seem to have a serious problem grasping adult concepts, much as you have a problem acting like an adult.

Maybe you need to move your forum participation to something more suitable....SesameStreetdotcom.

Steve </div></div>

The REpiglican push for multi billion dollar engines, that are already known to be inefficient, and have no reasonable cause or effective use, even after Gates, TOLD them, the engines were obsolete, and ineffective.

Maybe YOU should study up on THE MILITARY INDSUTRIAL COMPLEX, Bubba.

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pooltchr
06-02-2011, 01:32 PM
Just like you do to Ed, when it looks like you are getting pinned down, you immediately change the subject.

Steve

eg8r
06-02-2011, 02:57 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ed, is bashing others, who get tax dollars, while he is getting tax dollars, himself.
</div></div>Lie lie lie. I have not bashed anyone and I was talking to actual family members and friends which is a lot different than you hiding behind an internet forum bashing people who aren't here to defend themselves.

I didn't bash anyone but rather I said it was about time they start paying for HC like the rest of us.

eg8r

eg8r
06-02-2011, 03:00 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">even after Gates, TOLD them, the engines were obsolete, and ineffective.
</div></div>OK, so now we know you are completely out of your league. You know nothing about any of this so your only knowledge is what you are reading in your newspapers.

I don't know Gates qualifications but I would like to know what his engineering background is. We all are very aware you have zero so let's go with what he is stating. Also, could you tell us where he got the info and what was actually provided to him not exactly the limited amount he is choosing to talk about.

If you cannot provide that level of detail it would be best you kept you nose out of an area where you don't have one iota's worth of experience.

eg8r

sack316
06-03-2011, 02:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ed, is bashing others, who get tax dollars, while he is getting tax dollars, himself.
</div></div>Lie lie lie. I have not bashed anyone and I was talking to actual family members and friends which is a lot different than you hiding behind an internet forum bashing people who aren't here to defend themselves.

I didn't bash anyone but rather I said it was about time they start paying for HC like the rest of us.

eg8r </div></div>

Ed, I read through this thread, though I admit rather quickly. But why sir, can you not accept that those persons who are not you know better than yourself a)what you do b) where your money goes and c) where your benefits come from?

I mean, c'mon man, you talk as if you speak from first hand experience... when all of us know we can read a blog or something and know much better than you do! Shame on you Ed, for trying to pull the wool over our eyes! Jeez, you should be above that! /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Sack

LWW
06-03-2011, 05:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They have been paying what the rest pay. Do you think that Federal Workers, don't pay into Medicare, and Social Security?
</div></div><span style='font-size: 26pt'>I honestly think you are provoking me now.</span>

eg8r </div></div>

Welcome to the cold hard reality of Charlotte and her sock puppet trolls.

You finally get it, the entire cabal is lost in the world of reality ... and there only recourse against this reality is to attack, lie, malign, change topics, deny, and slime.

They cannot discuss anything at a level beyond regurgitating spoon fed party provided pap ... so they resort to what you have witnessed in this thread today.

Stretch
06-03-2011, 05:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They have been paying what the rest pay. Do you think that Federal Workers, don't pay into Medicare, and Social Security?
</div></div><span style='font-size: 26pt'>I honestly think you are provoking me now.</span>

eg8r </div></div>

Welcome to the cold hard reality of Charlotte and her sock puppet trolls.

You finally get it, the entire cabal is lost in the world of reality ... and there only recourse against this reality is to attack, lie, malign, change topics, deny, and slime.

They cannot discuss anything at a level beyond regurgitating spoon fed party provided pap ... so they resort to what you have witnessed in this thread today. </div></div>

That's the best description of what you do yet. The more you attempt to speak from a position of authority the funnier it gets. St.

Gayle in MD
06-03-2011, 06:26 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">even after Gates, TOLD them, the engines were obsolete, and ineffective.
</div></div>OK, so now we know you are completely out of your league. You know nothing about any of this so your only knowledge is what you are reading in your newspapers.

I don't know Gates qualifications but I would like to know what his engineering background is. We all are very aware you have zero so let's go with what he is stating. Also, could you tell us where he got the info and what was actually provided to him not exactly the limited amount he is choosing to talk about.

If you cannot provide that level of detail it would be best you kept you nose out of an area where you don't have one iota's worth of experience.

eg8r </div></div>

As have told you before, I don't rely on only the News, I watch the testimony, as I did when Gates, explained on the hill, and then to the news media, the wast involved in spending for certain super engines, and planes, which he wanted to ax.

But, our oh so thrifty Repiglicans, fought tooth an nail, regardless, to spend/waste all those multi millions/billions...why, because they were to be made in a Repiglican's city.

As I say all the time, if the right would watch their government, live, for at least once in a while, it wouldn't take very long for them to realize why I call thtem REpiglicans~!

I notice you avoided the subject of your own benefits in your job, which, btw, I am fine with that.

The point being, you get on here and demand information about my taxes, and I am simply pointing out, that you bash public workers in your state, for their benefits, while you, just like them, get benefits also, from our tax dollars.

Pretty simple....

G.

Gayle in MD
06-03-2011, 06:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stretch</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They have been paying what the rest pay. Do you think that Federal Workers, don't pay into Medicare, and Social Security?
</div></div><span style='font-size: 26pt'>I honestly think you are provoking me now.</span>

eg8r </div></div>

Welcome to the cold hard reality of Charlotte and her sock puppet trolls.

You finally get it, the entire cabal is lost in the world of reality ... and there only recourse against this reality is to attack, lie, malign, change topics, deny, and slime.

They cannot discuss anything at a level beyond regurgitating spoon fed party provided pap ... so they resort to what you have witnessed in this thread today. </div></div>

That's the best description of what you do yet. The more you attempt to speak from a position of authority the funnier it gets. St. </div></div>

The forum idiot!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You finally get it, the entire cabal is lost in the world of reality </div></div>

LOL, a place he's never been, and denies even exists, with every one of his idiotic posts.

Just his idiotic thread titles, gives you all the info you need to get his irrational M.O., as he follows the BS of every slimebag RW shock jock, as his only sources.

Rasmucous statistics personified, LMAO!
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G.

G.

eg8r
06-03-2011, 07:27 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As have told you before, I don't rely on only the News, I watch the testimony, as I did when Gates, explained on the hill, and then to the news media, the wast involved in spending for certain super engines, and planes, which he wanted to ax.
</div></div>Again, doesn't matter what you do because you are WAY WAY out of your league on this one. What are the qualifications, what is the total of his info so we can see what is being left out.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I notice you avoided the subject of your own benefits in your job, which, btw, I am fine with that.
</div></div>Still hung up on the fact you can't stick to the subject aren't you?

eg8r

eg8r
06-03-2011, 07:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The point being, you get on here and demand information about my taxes, and I am simply pointing out, that you bash public workers in your state, for their benefits, while you, just like them, get benefits also, from our tax dollars.
</div></div>LOL, the point is that I have never demanded your tax information. All I have ever done was state what you were unwilling to do which is you hypocritically bash others for legally taking tax breaks while you do the same exact thing.

As far as bashing public workers, your sour attitude is causing you to be unable to coherently acknowledge what is actually posted, which is I have agreed with you that both our pay (at least in part for me) comes from tax revenue however it is about freaking time they start ponying up their own real money for HC. You can change the subject from now till the cows come home but that is the extent that I have said on this board. You really, as a friend, should take more effort in reading what I am actually posting instead of trying to twist it to meet your view of what you think I am posting.

eg8r