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Qtec
05-30-2011, 07:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You may have seen the headline: “DIRE FORECAST SPARKS NEW MEDICARE DEBATE TRUSTEES' REPORT USED AS FODDER FOR POLITICAL SALVOS BY BOTH SIDES,” but the date may come as a surprise: June 6, 1996.

At the time, the Chicago Tribune warned its readers: “Medicare trustees reported Wednesday that the program's financial outlook is getting worse, touching off a new round of debate over the future of the federal health insurance system for the elderly and disabled. According to the trustees, who give the program a fiscal checkup every year, the fund that pays Medicare hospital bills dipped into the red last year and will go broke in early 2001. That's a year earlier than they predicted in 1995.”

<u>Sound familiar? How about these warnings:
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Chicago Tribune July 2, 1969: “The Medicare hospital trust fund faces bankruptcy by 1976 and taxes must either be raised or benefits reduced the senate finance committee was told today.”

Washington Post, April 1, 1986: <u>“The Medicare hospital insurance program faces bankruptcy by 1996,</u> two years earlier than projected last year.”

New York Times, January 20, 1985: In the last few years, when it appeared that the Medicare trust fund would run out of money in 1987-89... But the need seemed less urgent after the Congressional Budget Office issued new estimates last September indicating that <u>the Medicare trust fund would not go bankrupt until 1994.</u>

(Hat tip to Chicago Tribune columnist Eric Zorn who culled eighteen stories from the Tribune, the Washington Post and the New York Times over a period of four decades, each predicting that the Medicare Hospital Insurance Fund was teetering on the brink of disaster.)

But of course Medicare didn’t “run out of money” in 1994, and it won’t go belly-up now, in large part thanks to health care reform legislation. According to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), the Affordable Care Act (ACA) raises and saves over $950 billion. (Below, I spell out how the legislation generates those dollars). In the process, as the Medicare Trustees’ Report 2011 points out, the ACA reduces Medicare spending “by 25 percent”—without cutting health benefits, or shifting costs to seniors.

More changes will be needed, but Zorn is relatively optimistic. After citing the many times we have been told that Medicare is careening toward bankruptcy, he recalls the story of “The Boy Who Cried Wolf.” Zorn acknowledges that “just because officials and politicians have been predicting Medicare's imminent bankruptcy for more than 40 years doesn't mean that one day they won't be right, but, more likely,” he suggests, “we will turn the knobs and twiddle the dials in order to keep the overwhelmingly popular program solvent, but not so solvent that, between five and 12 years from now, another set of politicians won't grimly inform us that it's going under in between five and 12 years.” </div></div>

link (http://www.healthbeatblog.com/2011/05/the-medicare-crisis-a-shaggy-wolf-story-.html)

Q ... more (http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2011/05/medicare-is-going-bankrupt-again.html)

LWW
05-30-2011, 05:12 PM
What is your point?

Do you know anything of the history of the topic, other than what you have been spoon fed?

pooltchr
05-30-2011, 06:03 PM
Funny, he didn't notice the Dems threatening the break down of our entire economy if we don't raise the debt limit.

Seems that would be fearmongering....but when the Dems do it, it must be ok.

Steve

eg8r
05-30-2011, 07:17 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Chicago Tribune July 2, 1969: “The Medicare hospital trust fund faces bankruptcy by 1976 and taxes must either be raised or benefits reduced the senate finance committee was told today.”

Washington Post, April 1, 1986: “The Medicare hospital insurance program faces bankruptcy by 1996, two years earlier than projected last year.”

New York Times, January 20, 1985: In the last few years, when it appeared that the Medicare trust fund would run out of money in 1987-89... But the need seemed less urgent after the Congressional Budget Office issued new estimates last September indicating that the Medicare trust fund would not go bankrupt until 1994.
</div></div>They are all true and false at the same time. Medicare has gone bankrupt plenty of times. The left used it as a noose for the elderly in this country to gain political seats and steal more money from the evil producers in society instead of reducing waste within their own system.

eg8r

Qtec
05-31-2011, 02:22 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ronald Reagan's 1961 recording for the American Medical Association's Operation Coffee Cup, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>which claimed the passage of pending Medicare legislation would shortly lead to a complete takeover of all medical services by government and shortly thereafter, a socialist dictatorship.</span> <span style="color: #3333FF">History shows neither, in fact, happened </span></div></div>

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bejdhs3jGyw)

Foot in the door = the wedge theory.

Run for the hills!!!!!!!!!

GOP = Be afraid.

Q

LWW
05-31-2011, 04:58 AM
Nobody thought you were learned on the topic.

Thanks for the confirmation though.

As has been noted, Medicare has been in dire straits many times before. The statists answer to has always, <span style='font-size: 11pt'>ALWAYS</span>, been to raise taxes and never, <span style='font-size: 11pt'>EVER</span>, been to actually remove the cancer from the system.

By the way, the fear mongering that has you all wound up has always been a pillar of your beloved democrooks.

Did you miss a spoon feeding?

Gayle in MD
05-31-2011, 05:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ronald Reagan's 1961 recording for the American Medical Association's Operation Coffee Cup, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>which claimed the passage of pending Medicare legislation would shortly lead to a complete takeover of all medical services by government and shortly thereafter, a socialist dictatorship.</span> <span style="color: #3333FF">History shows neither, in fact, happened </span></div></div>

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bejdhs3jGyw)

Foot in the door = the wedge theory.

Run for the hills!!!!!!!!!

GOP = Be afraid.

Q </div></div>

Repiglicans can't stand anything that is good for the Middle Class. If all the money isn't going to the top, they get mauseated.

From SS and MC is broke, to Mushroom clouds, to Death Panels, they are the fearmongerers extraordinaire!

Suddenly the filthy rich are being called job producers!!!!

LMAO!

The top one and a half percent, produce NOTHING! Certainly not AMerican Jobs! Yet they are assisted by Republicans, to steal and reap the lopsided Republican Tax cuts, and loopholes, while stealing the greatest percentage of American Wealth.

The right, still doesn't get that the top one and a half percent, got the lioons share of the tax cuts! If they really were the job producers, how come job production was miserable?



G.

LWW
05-31-2011, 05:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Suddenly the filthy rich are being called job producers!!!!

G.
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Tell us again how high unemployment drives economic growth.

pooltchr
05-31-2011, 06:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Suddenly the filthy rich are being called job producers!!!!

G.
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Tell us again how high unemployment drives economic growth.
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Or how the poor and middle class create jobs.


Steve

LWW
05-31-2011, 06:16 AM
The guys with the "WILL WORK FOR FOOD" while wearing $150 Air Jordans that get pizzed off if you offer them work seem to have a booming business.

eg8r
05-31-2011, 08:46 AM
Looks like the quote is on the right track. Our socialist leader has already started the dictatorship of the HC industry.

Those poor blue hairs don't even get to pick who they want to be President because the lefties tighten that noose come election time when they bully the blue hairs into believing the Reps are going to take away their Medicare.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
05-31-2011, 09:24 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like the quote is on the right track. Our socialist leader has already started the dictatorship of the HC industry.

Those poor blue hairs don't even get to pick who they want to be President because the lefties tighten that noose come election time when they bully the blue hairs into believing the Reps are going to take away their Medicare.

eg8r </div></div>

The Repiglicans ARE going to take away their medicare. their plan calls for leaving people at the mercy of the Insurance Industry, which caused a good deal of the foreclosures.

The Ryan Plan, is a voucher plan estiated to cost at least an additional six thousand dollars, for each retiree, up front, and that doesn't even include what their costs would be under a catestrophic illness.

G.

eg8r
05-31-2011, 11:12 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Repiglicans ARE going to take away their medicare.</div></div>Fear mongering at its best.

eg8r

pooltchr
05-31-2011, 11:57 AM
She's a champ!

(or is that chump?)

Steve

Qtec
05-31-2011, 11:58 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like the quote is on the right track </div></div>

LMAO.

So after 50 years it still hasn't happened but you claim its about to!

Fearmongerer..........LOL

Q

LWW
06-01-2011, 04:25 AM
Actually Charlotte did.

Gayle in MD
06-01-2011, 06:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Repiglicans ARE going to take away their medicare.</div></div>Fear mongering at its best.

eg8r </div></div>

Not so, at all. It's a fact, the Ryan Plan, destroys medicare, as we know it. Raises costs for seniors, and destroys the very safety net, which the vast majority of AMerricans, do not want to lose, particularly, for those others, under fifty-five, who have paid into Medicare, their entire working lives.

Why the hell do you think voters in seven of the eight top Repiglican Governorships, would vote for the Democratic candidate, if they could take back their votes?

Even their beloved "Christie, the hump whalehog" has declining approval ratings.

Don't bother giving me another of your non denial, denials.

The Fear Mongering, was full force, for the best plan, which is the Affordable Health Care Bill, already passed, which need more Liberal Twinking, to make it even more deficit reducing.

But, the right, would prefer to force Americans, to pay the highest costs in the world, for general quality of health care, way down at 38th worst, all so that the greedy CEO's can continue with the fraud they prosecute upon Americans.

Find me a crook, and I'll point you to the REPIGLICAn policies, that protect him. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

Stunning.



G.

Gayle in MD
06-01-2011, 07:08 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ronald Reagan's 1961 recording for the American Medical Association's Operation Coffee Cup, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>which claimed the passage of pending Medicare legislation would shortly lead to a complete takeover of all medical services by government and shortly thereafter, a socialist dictatorship.</span> <span style="color: #3333FF">History shows neither, in fact, happened </span></div></div>

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bejdhs3jGyw)

Foot in the door = the wedge theory.

Run for the hills!!!!!!!!!

GOP = Be afraid.

Q </div></div>

Trying to communicate with the right requires serious de-hypnosis in advance of engaging with automatons from the Bush/Cheney restructuring of the American Language.

Thieves, are now called, Job Producers!!!

Unbelievable!

How they can deny the Non Stop fearmongering of the Repiglican Party, make about as much sense as sone of them who stated in another thread that we could "Allow" or not allow, what other countries could produce oil, annd idiot statments such as desalinization being an energy efficient way of handling the massive water shortages around the world, and the impact of dirty fuels on our water!!!

They yap that we have no energy policy!!! But the one behind closed doors, by Cheney, led to the Halliburton Loophole, and the huge impact on our water, and health, from Fracking, Government approved poisoning of the water, under the Bush/Cheney attack on America.

Stunning ignorance!

Beyond belief.

G.

pooltchr
06-01-2011, 08:24 AM
So the Carter energy policy was good, but it was bad when Bush carried it out?

Carter though coal was the future of our energy requirements. Was he right, or wrong?

Steve

eg8r
06-01-2011, 08:39 AM
What do you mean it hasn't happened? I guess you fail to look at reality. It went bankrupt plenty of times only get to another life with more money pumped in. It surely did not sustain itself did it? LOL, you do everything you can to keep the village idiot name don't you?

eg8r

Qtec
06-01-2011, 08:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It went bankrupt plenty of times </div></div>

BS,

When?


Give me dates.

Q

pooltchr
06-01-2011, 09:21 AM
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

US tax revenues total about 2 trillion dollars

Unfunded liabilities, including SSI, Prescription Drugs, and Medicare total $114 trillion.

What would you call it?


Steve

Gayle in MD
06-01-2011, 09:25 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.usdebtclock.org/

US tax revenues total about 2 trillion dollars

Unfunded liabilities, including SSI, Prescription Drugs, and Medicare total $114 trillion.

What would you call it?


Steve </div></div>

BUSH'S LEGACY!

pooltchr
06-01-2011, 09:34 AM
Of course you would! That is all you know!

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Steve

eg8r
06-01-2011, 10:03 AM
Go look every time the budget was increased for it and let me know if that was because they were doing a good job or because they were not making ends meet. Come on, you aren't that out of touch with reality are you?

eg8r

eg8r
06-01-2011, 10:04 AM
We are country that is in the most debt ever in its history and qtip cannot understand what bankrupt means.

eg8r

eg8r
06-01-2011, 10:05 AM
Who's fault is NOT the subject, please keep to the subject or keep your comments to yourself. This is about whether Medicare ever went bankrupt yet here we are living off borrowed money and he cannot figure it out.

eg8r

pooltchr
06-01-2011, 10:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We are country that is in the most debt ever in its history and qtip cannot understand what bankrupt means.

eg8r </div></div>

It's all right here for anyone who cares to look

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Steve

Gayle in MD
06-01-2011, 11:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who's fault is NOT the subject, please keep to the subject or keep your comments to yourself. This is about whether Medicare ever went bankrupt yet here we are living off borrowed money and he cannot figure it out.

eg8r </div></div>

Oh yes it is the subject, the subject is FEARMONGERING! FEARMINGERING is how we got into all of this debt, created completely by REPIGLICAN POLICIES, going all the way back to Ronald Reagan's BS trickle down VOODOO economics, which even David Stockman, Reagan's budget director, agrees, must be stopped, in spite of the Repiglican's efforts to keep on doing the very things that put us into this debt ditch, cut taxes for the wealthiest non job producers in the country, in the first place, just as we lefties, all told you, for eight damn years, while some were writing, "The deficits don't matter." /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/crazy.gif

You're all STILL in denial. Trickle down is a myth!

Can't believe any one from the right has the nerve to post the debt clock, BTW, since the one in NY broke, when it went beyond capacity, while Bush was in office!

How did they manage it???? FEARMONGERIG, same damn thing they're doing right now! SEE this is the subject!


As I stated when Bush left, Bush, and the usual failed Repiglican VOODOO economics, will continue to be the subject, until our country struggles out of the mess he and they, put us into, which no one could have done any better at dealing with, than President Obama has done.

Repiglicans have a lot of GALL to go along with their gross ignorance!
G.

eg8r
06-01-2011, 11:19 AM
Sorry, I guess you were not paying attention. Keep changing the subject and then I will go ahead and keep pointing it out.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-01-2011, 11:28 AM
Re: Fearmongering.....its what they do


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LWW
06-01-2011, 01:32 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So the Carter energy policy was good, but it was bad when Bush carried it out?

Carter though coal was the future of our energy requirements. Was he right, or wrong?

Steve </div></div>

It was right when they were told to believe it was right, and it was wrong when they were told it was wrong ... we doublethink, all realities become "TRUTH" as needed.