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Qtec
06-08-2011, 04:37 AM
Who said this?


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> My budget has funded a responsible increase in our ongoing operations. It has funded our Nation’s important priorities. It has protected Social Security and Medicare. And our surpluses are big enough that there is still money left over.

Many of you have talked about the need to pay down our national debt. I listened, and I agree. We owe it to our children and our grandchildren to act now, and I hope you will join me to pay down $2 trillion in debt during the next 10 years. At the end of those 10 years, we will have paid down all the debt that is available to retire. That is more debt repaid more quickly than has ever been repaid by any nation at any time in history.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Of course, the opposite occurred, with debt held by the public increasing from $3.5 trillion to nearly $6 trillion and gross federal debt going from $5.6 trillion to nearly $10 trillion. In fact, conservatives argued in 2001 that the very existence of a budget surplus was a valid reason to enact large, regressive tax cuts. But this is precisely what happens when you have an administration that believes “deficits don’t matter.” </div></div>

..and the GOP say, "more of the same."

Q......... watch it (http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/04/13/158414/bush-sotu-debt-flashback/)

LWW
06-08-2011, 05:08 AM
Have you read the latest USA Today report ... actual amount added to the debt last year was $6,000,000,000,000.00 ... and the actual debt now is $60,000,000,000,000.00.

Qtec
06-08-2011, 05:41 AM
Anything to say on the topic?

Q.....nahhhhhhhhhhh

LWW
06-08-2011, 05:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anything to say on the topic?

Q.....nahhhhhhhhhhh </div></div>

You didn't post a topic.

You regurgitated a Gyorgy Soros rant.

Clinton lied about a surplus existing ... so did Bush ... so did most of both parties.

Qtec
06-08-2011, 05:52 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anything to say on the topic?

Q.....nahhhhhhhhhhh </div></div>

You didn't post a topic.

You regurgitated a Gyorgy Soros rant.

Clinton lied about a surplus existing ... so did Bush ... so did most of both parties. </div></div>

So Bush LIED when he said,


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> And our surpluses are big enough that there is still money left over.</div></div>

??????

Q

Qtec
06-08-2011, 05:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You regurgitated a Gyorgy Soros rant. </div></div>

You didn't even check the link, did you?

Not a Soros rant, a BUSH RANT...and its on video.

Her you go moron. link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5F79kd2O7U&feature=player_embedded)

Q

LWW
06-08-2011, 06:18 AM
Can you read English?

LWW
06-08-2011, 06:20 AM
Yes I did ... "THINKPROGRESS" is a Gyorgy Soros sock puppet, but so are nearly all moonbat crazy leftist cites.

What's really funny is that they are geared toward non-thinking regressives.

Gayle in MD
06-08-2011, 06:52 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You regurgitated a Gyorgy Soros rant. </div></div>

You didn't even check the link, did you?

Not a Soros rant, a BUSH RANT...and its on video.

Her you go moron. link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5F79kd2O7U&feature=player_embedded)

Q

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Not only a moron, but his denials, and RW dog whistle spin, are laughable.

The RW filter, purges facts, automatically.

Piers Morgan tried to rescue Mann Coulter last night on his show, pointing out her oft repeated references in her books, to Mob Mentality, which she always attributes to left, and always pointing her finger at European Dictators of the past, Hitler, etc., is incorrect, as they were all RW, and the mob mentality is really the RW tactic, not the left.

To this day, the right in Isreal, is, considered the radical TERRORIST element just as much so as Hammas.

The fact that they can't see it, was well presented last night, as Piers so thorouoghly established, as he highhlighted Coulter's chronic inability to disciss anything, without blaming the left, for everything that is well known to be RW tactics.

The right never learns, because the first step is in admitting they were wrong. They can't do that.

G.

pooltchr
06-08-2011, 07:26 AM
When the left can admit that Obama has increased the national debt at a far faster rate than Bush did, maybe we can talk. Until then, nothing you have to say on the subject means anything at all.

Steve

LWW
06-08-2011, 07:40 AM
The idea that Hitler was a right winger is an abject lie and nothing more than the moonbat crazy left trying to rewrite history.

Gayle in MD
06-08-2011, 07:56 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When the left can admit that Obama has increased the national debt at a far faster rate than Bush did, maybe we can talk. Until then, nothing you have to say on the subject means anything at all.

Steve </div></div>

Nothing you have to say on any subject means anything to me, ever.

Why not go back to AZ, where you all love it so much.

The majority of our debt, is still from BUSH!

Only an idiot would refuse to see that.

Obama, has created JOBS, over a million, far more than Bush did in eight years. BUSH lost them. Even i the first few years of his tax cuts for the rich, he lost jobs,

Investing in JOBS is what we need. Repiglicans are destroying JOBS.

Not one single Jobs Bill in six months, after two years of screaming Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, and whining over the mess THEY made, blaming everyone else, but themselves.

None of the billionaires, end up evern paying fifteen percent, by the time they take advantage of aollo of the loopholes.

We can't create a recovery, while Repiglicans refuse to bring in more revenues, by raising taxes on the wealthy, even the Bowles Simpson Panel, agrees.

G.

"The Debts don't matter" by Steve, while Repiglicans were running them up.

LWW
06-08-2011, 09:04 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The majority of our debt, is still from BUSH!

Only an idiot would refuse to see that. </div></div>

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Really?</span>

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>REALLY?</span>

<span style='font-size: 23pt'>REALLY?</span>

Actually, a far better case can be made that only an idiot would believe what you just posted.

The debt at the beginning of the first Bush budget was $6,228,235,965,597.16. At the end of his last it was $11,909,829,003,511.75. It currently is about $14,500,000,000,000.00.

That is the closest you can come to blaming debt on Bush, and it falls far short of your claim.

If you use from his 1st budget start until the democrooks/Bush 1st budget you get a much more realistic number of $2,779,417,406,665.32 ... which is a good bit less than half of your claim. That's over 5 years.

OTOH ... with a democrook congress and dear leader, essentially the same amount of indebtedness has happened in under 2.5 years.

Under any critical analysis ... your claim is an abject failure.

Oh, BTW, my source is THE OBAMA REGIME ITSELF. (http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm)

pooltchr
06-08-2011, 10:02 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Obama, has created JOBS, over a million, </div></div>

Please enlighten us, oh anointed one. What specifically has done to create PRIVATE SECTOR jobs, and what proof do you have that he created a million jobs?

Steve

eg8r
06-08-2011, 10:39 AM
Who said it? Who also made projections about unemployment rates and failed miserably?

Also due to the HC bill there is no chance of ever paying down the national debt, never.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
06-08-2011, 01:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Have you read the latest USA Today report ... actual amount added to the debt last year was $6,000,000,000,000.00 ... and the actual debt now is $60,000,000,000,000.00. </div></div>

The "actual debt"?? (spitting out coffee over keyboard-- eww!)

No, it isn't.

Unless by 'actual debt' you mean the 75-year projected debt under current baseline assumptions. Which isn't what the term 'actual debt,' you know, actually means.

pooltchr
06-08-2011, 02:49 PM
The accounting systems seem to be designed to paint a certain picture. National Debt of 14 trillion doesn't even consider the unbudgeted liabilities associated with Medicare and SS.

They call it different things, but the bottom line is the giverment owes a whole lot more money to a bunch of people, with no real prospects for being able to come up with it under our present budget.

Steve

Soflasnapper
06-08-2011, 05:36 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who said it? Who also made projections about unemployment rates and failed miserably?

Also due to the HC bill there is no chance of ever paying down the national debt, never.

eg8r </div></div>

On the same accounting basis upon which LWW's cited figures rely, the health care bill reduces the long-term debt by over $20 trillion.

So, it appears the reverse is true-- WITHOUT HC reform, there is no chance of ever paying down the national debt.

Not that there is in any case.

Soflasnapper
06-08-2011, 05:42 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The accounting systems seem to be designed to paint a certain picture. National Debt of 14 trillion doesn't even consider the unbudgeted liabilities associated with Medicare and SS.

They call it different things, but the bottom line is the giverment owes a whole lot more money to a bunch of people, with no real prospects for being able to come up with it under our present budget.

Steve </div></div>

The government cannot really predict deficit levels a year or two out with much accuracy. Back in the latter Clinton years, there was supposed to be a $200 billion dollar plus deficit, as these things are measured. The 'balance' was supposed to be in 2002, at the earliest.

The 75-year out projections are far more in doubt still. They are tremendously sensitive to the compounding effects of the assumed rates of changes of categories, where a 1% difference is trillions of dollars different over that length of timeline.

pooltchr
06-08-2011, 06:06 PM
14 trillion in our national debt
114 trillion in unfunded liabilities (ss, medicare, prescrep)

Just the unfunded liabilities comes to over a million dollars per taxpayer.

Please tell us what your plan is to get us out of debt.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Steve

Qtec
06-09-2011, 12:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes I did ... "THINKPROGRESS" is a Gyorgy Soros sock puppet, but so are nearly all moonbat crazy leftist cites.

What's really funny is that they are geared toward non-thinking regressives. </div></div>

Is it or is it not G Bush on that video, saying those words?



Q

Gayle in MD
06-09-2011, 02:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When the left can admit that Obama has increased the national debt at a far faster rate than Bush did, maybe we can talk. Until then, nothing you have to say on the subject means anything at all.

Steve </div></div>

Wrong again.

Do you ever get anything correct?

BUSH WAS THE UNFUNDED LIABILITY OF THE CENTURY!

Incomes were down 2.7 trillion dollars in his eight year administration, and continues on that downward path as Repiglicans insist that his tax cuts continued, against which, we still struggle. And, as the Repiglican/Bush tax cuts continue, Federal income tax revenues are down by a third, from 2001, when the Bush tax cuts started, to today, when you look at them per American, at the same time causing us to be too broke to have enough money for the things that will creat wealth, in the future. MONEY TO INVEST! Research, education, public health and infrastructure.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Indeed, the nation’s $14 trillion debt is largely a result of “the cost of two wars, a runaway defense budget, the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, taxes on the richest Americans being the lowest in a generation, and a recession caused by the lack of regulation of Wall Street.” The Bush administration followed wars with huge regressive tax cuts and an unpaid for prescription drug benefit.

But in his first major address to Congress, President George W. Bush promised that his “responsible” budget would pay off the national debt in ten years:

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tighter regulations, to prevent more of this wholesale theft!


And then you wingnuts have the GALL to bitch because Obama didn't meet his goal of keeping unemployment down to 8%, while in the meantime, Repiglicans have obstructed a more robust recovery, and blocked tighter regulations, to prevent more of this wholesale theft!

UNBELIEVABLE!!!!

This isn't Capitalism, this is corporatism!

And then the right yaps about the economy, as their own Party protects the five or six corporations, which are STEALING from all of us WHILE they make us all ill!

Idiots!

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Qtec
06-09-2011, 03:24 AM
The dif between Obama and GW was that GW inherited a sound economy, a balanced budget, high employment and an anticipated increasing surplus etc etc.

Obama OTOH inherited a disaster. eg, in the month before Obama was inaugurated, the US was losing jobs at 800,000 a month!

Q

Gayle in MD
06-09-2011, 03:53 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The dif between Obama and GW was that GW inherited a sound economy, a balanced budget, high employment and an anticipated increasing surplus etc etc.

Obama OTOH inherited a disaster. eg, in the month before Obama was inaugurated, the US was losing jobs at 800,000 a month!

Q </div></div>

The worst legacy in history, and I am amazed that President Obama has accomplished as much as he has.


This President has proven already, he is far, far more qualified to be running this country, than W. ever dreamed about being.

And just to think that Obama inherited all of the economic disasters, AND two wars!

He has done a terrific job, IMO, and after watching this last two and a half years, does anyone in this country REALLY believe that Liberal Media, has any power???

Corporatism is killing us. These Righties refuse to rethink, even when it is obvious, the thinking was wrong.

If you take a look at the Republican Candidates, it's like a historical review of the dysfunctionality of the RW brain!

I mean, really! They did all vote twice for Bush, and look how many of them would vote for this:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">CO-HOST: How would you handle a situation like the one that just developed in North Korea? [...]

PALIN: But obviously, we’ve got to stand with our North Korean allies. We’re bound to by treaty –

CO-HOST: South Korean.

PALIN: Eh, Yeah. And we’re also bound by prudence to stand with our South Korean allies, yes.



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LWW
06-09-2011, 04:30 AM
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eg8r
06-09-2011, 08:29 AM
You are really going to look at any forcasted figures from this administration and believe them, especially 20 years out? They could not even get 2 years remotely close.

Can you tell us one government run program that successfully met the original budget? There isn't a single one of them. Every single one goes over budget. With the massive HC bill this country will never be out of debt or make any dent in the actual debt already there.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-11-2011, 06:38 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You are really going to look at any forcasted figures from this administration and believe them, especially 20 years out? They could not even get 2 years remotely close.

Can you tell us one government run program that successfully met the original budget? There isn't a single one of them. Every single one goes over budget. With the massive HC bill this country will never be out of debt or make any dent in the actual debt already there.

eg8r </div></div>

The costs of everything, go up, over time, Ed, including the cost of government.

hence, irrational tax cuts, at the worst possible times, have been devastating to everything our Government does for its citizens.

Cutting back, is not the only answer to deficits, and in fact, we have plenty of proof, that raising taxes, is the best solution for balancing the books.

Repiglicans don't want any progress. They did filibuster the recovery. And, they insist on maintaining the very same economical policies, which created our problems, in the first place.

Unless we end the growing corporatism, which amounts to grand theft, and fascism, there is no hope for the country.

When you look around the world, and realize that we are the only industrial country where one party continues to deny climate change, that should give you some clue about how many ways, the Grand Oil Party, is hurting our future and that of our children, and grandchildren.

G.

eg8r
06-12-2011, 04:23 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The costs of everything, go up, over time, Ed, including the cost of government.
</div></div>I guess you are back to ignoring the subject.

eg8r

LWW
06-12-2011, 06:51 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Please tell us what your plan is to get us out of debt.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Steve </div></div>

Undoubtedly it is to trust dear leader.