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Qtec
06-08-2011, 05:12 AM
If the top earners pay most of the taxes, who has to pay off the debt?

Who has to pay the SS debt? According to RW media, its the poor.

They want to defund SS, bring it to a collapse and then not honour their debts. The same with Medicare.

Now that prices are low, they want to sell off America to the rich at discount prices. Just look at the housing market. If you have cash, you can make a killing with all the foreclosures etc.


Q.......just saying

LWW
06-08-2011, 05:44 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the top earners pay most of the taxes, who has to pay off the debt?

Who has to pay the SS debt? According to RW media, its the poor.

They want to defund SS, bring it to a collapse and then not honour their debts. The same with Medicare.

Now that prices are low, they want to sell off America to the rich at discount prices. Just look at the housing market. If you have cash, you can make a killing with all the foreclosures etc.


Q.......just saying </div></div>

Of all the moronic things you have said ... this one is at the very apex of moronity.

pooltchr
06-08-2011, 07:15 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

They want to defund SS, bring it to a collapse and then not honour their debts. The same with Medicare.


Q.......just saying </div></div>

If you would do some actual research, rather than rely on what the left wing propaganda machine tells you, you would understand just how inaccurate this comment really is.

But, I understand. It's much easier to let someone else do your thinking for you.

Steve

LWW
06-08-2011, 07:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

They want to defund SS, bring it to a collapse and then not honour their debts. The same with Medicare.


Q.......just saying </div></div>

If you would do some actual research ...

Steve </div></div>

That was funny.

Gayle in MD
06-08-2011, 08:17 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the top earners pay most of the taxes, who has to pay off the debt?

Who has to pay the SS debt? According to RW media, its the poor.

They want to defund SS, bring it to a collapse and then not honour their debts. The same with Medicare.

Now that prices are low, they want to sell off America to the rich at discount prices. Just look at the housing market. If you have cash, you can make a killing with all the foreclosures etc.


Q.......just saying </div></div>

It'a all about GREED!

We have more people in prisons, than any other country.

Privitize the prisons, and you'll have more prisoners.

Ignore the FACT, that the War On Drugs, is a total failure, and help the privitized prisons, to warehouse people, for profit.

Reagan's WAR ON DRUGS? "Just say NO!" LMAO! What a crock of ****!

The right has always been penny wise, and pound foolish.

They are not satisfied with their damaging redistribution of wealth, to the crooks at the top, they want to take even more from struggling, Middle Class Americans, to give more to their wealthy multi-billionaies, who have bought the Repiglican Party, lock, stock and barrel.

They still refuse to admit, that the majority of our current debt, came straight from W., and his blank check Repiglican Congress, of spending, borrowing, warring and cutting taxes, as they deregulated, and/or looked the other way, throughout the buiolding R.E. Bubble, and actually flamed the R.E. bubble, with the sustained low unfustifiable rates.

Bush,along with the two Repiglican president's, before him, all are responsible for moer os our debt, annd all because of the same VOODOO economics, that failed.

GDP means nothing, when it's based on inflated values, aka Bush's Ownership Society, the R.E.Bubble.

The first thing fascists do is take away human rights, destroy Unions, and send all of the wealth, to the top.

The Shock Doctrine, right before our eyes...Repiglican Fascists, supported by the RW Activist Repiglican Supreme Court, and all of them in bed with the six corporations that have destroyed the Middle Class.

G.

LWW
06-08-2011, 08:53 AM
Sorry dearheart, but the minimum sentencing guidelines of the war on drugs came out of democrooks in congress bringing us the Harrison Narcotics Tax Act of 1914. the Boggs Act of 1952, the Narcotics Control Act of 1956 and the Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970.

The Reagan era National Narcotics Leadership Act of 1988, commonly referred to as Reagan's "WAR ON DRUGS," was responsible for a national anti-drug media campaign for youth.

But, as we all know, you will never let a chance pass you by to blame someone else for the failures of leftist policies.

Qtec
06-09-2011, 12:14 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>They want to defund SS, bring it to a collapse and then not honour their debts.</span> The same with Medicare.


Q.......just saying </div></div>

If you would do some actual research, rather than rely on what the left wing propaganda machine tells you, you would understand just how inaccurate this comment really is.

But, I understand. It's much easier to let someone else do your thinking for you.

Steve </div></div>

Really?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dems attack GOP Social Security plan
By Pete Kasperowicz - 06/07/11 03:56 PM ET

Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Steve Israel (N.Y.) on Tuesday predicted that House Republican plans to let workers opt out of Social Security would fail as voters realize how it will threaten their retirement.

"Seniors who have paid into Social Security through a lifetime of hard work shouldn't end up in a risky privatization scheme to gamble their retirement on Wall Street," Israel said. "The public has rejected this kind of Social Security privatization in the past and will again."

Israel accused Republicans of looking to resolve the government's fiscal crisis by scaling back Medicare and Social Security while ignoring higher corporate taxes.

"Everyone agrees we need to tighten our belt, but why do out-of-touch Republicans insist on tightening it around our retirees without asking Big Oil companies for one dime of sacrifice?" he asked.

Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Texas) and other Republicans on Friday introduced a bill that would allow workers to immediately have 6.2 percent of their wages sent to a new account, taking it away from the contribution they are now required to make to Social Security. After 15 years, the employer's matching 6.2 percent payment could also be made to the new account.

Sessions said this transition away from Social Security is needed because the Social Security Trust Fund last year paid out more in benefits than the revenue it took in. Sessions said not giving workers the option of a private retirement savings option could put the retirement plans of millions at risk.
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link (http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/165197-dccc-chair-predicts-failure-for-gops-social-security-plan)




Q........nothing wrong with SS that can't be fixed.

link (http://www.laprogressive.com/economic-equality/budget-baloney-2/)

LWW
06-09-2011, 03:44 AM
You know you proved Steve and I correct about you ... don't you?

Gayle in MD
06-13-2011, 10:41 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pooltchr</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>They want to defund SS, bring it to a collapse and then not honour their debts.</span> The same with Medicare.


Q.......just saying </div></div>

If you would do some actual research, rather than rely on what the left wing propaganda machine tells you, you would understand just how inaccurate this comment really is.

But, I understand. It's much easier to let someone else do your thinking for you.

Steve </div></div>

Really?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dems attack GOP Social Security plan
By Pete Kasperowicz - 06/07/11 03:56 PM ET

Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Steve Israel (N.Y.) on Tuesday predicted that House Republican plans to let workers opt out of Social Security would fail as voters realize how it will threaten their retirement.

"Seniors who have paid into Social Security through a lifetime of hard work shouldn't end up in a risky privatization scheme to gamble their retirement on Wall Street," Israel said. "The public has rejected this kind of Social Security privatization in the past and will again."

Israel accused Republicans of looking to resolve the government's fiscal crisis by scaling back Medicare and Social Security while ignoring higher corporate taxes.

"Everyone agrees we need to tighten our belt, but why do out-of-touch Republicans insist on tightening it around our retirees without asking Big Oil companies for one dime of sacrifice?" he asked.

Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Texas) and other Republicans on Friday introduced a bill that would allow workers to immediately have 6.2 percent of their wages sent to a new account, taking it away from the contribution they are now required to make to Social Security. After 15 years, the employer's matching 6.2 percent payment could also be made to the new account.

Sessions said this transition away from Social Security is needed because the Social Security Trust Fund last year paid out more in benefits than the revenue it took in. Sessions said not giving workers the option of a private retirement savings option could put the retirement plans of millions at risk.
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link (http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/165197-dccc-chair-predicts-failure-for-gops-social-security-plan)




Q........nothing wrong with SS that can't be fixed.

link (http://www.laprogressive.com/economic-equality/budget-baloney-2/)


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Repiglicans are now trying to do away with child labor laws.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, waving the cross."


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The Rise of the Second-String Psychopaths
by David Schwartz
The great writer Kurt Vonnegut titled his final book A Man without a Country. He was the man; the country was the United States of America. Vonnegut felt that his country had disappeared right under his – and the Constitution’s – feet, through what he called “the sleaziest, low-comedy Keystone Cops-style coup d’état imaginable.” He was talking about the Bush administration. Were Vonnegut still alive in the post-Bush era, he would not have felt that his country had returned.

How had our country disappeared? Vonnegut proposed that among the contributing factors was that it had been invaded – as if by the Martians – by people with a particularly frightening mental illness. People with this illness were termed psychopaths. (The term nowadays is anti-social personality disorder.) These are terms for people who are smart, personable, and engaging, but who have no consciences. They are not guided by a sense of right or wrong. They seem to be unaffected by the feelings of others, including feelings of distress caused by their actions. Straying from a decent way of treating people, or violating ethical codes causes no anxiety, the anxiety which is what causes the rest of us to moderate our more greedy impulses. If most children feel anxiety when they are pilfering the forbidden cookie jar, psychopaths feel just fine. They can devour the cookies, shatter the jar as evidence and stuff it in the trash can. When accused, they can argue with apparent sincerity that the cookie jar has been missing for at least a week. There suffer no remorse, no guilt, no shame. They are free to do anything, no matter how harmful.

Psychopaths can be very tricky to recognize. As psychiatrist Dr. Hervey Cleckly wrote in his classic The Mask of Sanity in 1941, psychopaths are not technically insane. They don’t have a psychosis, like schizophrenia. They are experts in appearing normal. They can act the role of a caring, concerned executive, even though they actually do not seem to experience such feelings. If they hurt somebody, they don’t modify their behavior.

The United States corporate and government spheres have become, Vonnegut suggested, a perfect habitat for psychopaths. What has allowed so many psychopaths to rise so high in corporations, and then government, he wrote,

“is that they are so decisive. They are going to do something every fuckin’ day and they are not afraid. Unlike normal people, they are never filled with doubts, for the simple reason that they don’t give a fuck what happens next. Simply can’t. Do this! Do that! Mobilize the reserves! Privatize the public schools! Attack Iraq! Cut health care! Tap everybody’s telephone! Cut taxes on the rich!"

In a country in which much of human culture has been rendered into machines for the manufacture of money, psychopaths are the ideal leaders. They are very focused. They are outcome oriented. They are frequently charming, and usually very bright and able. They can lay off thousands of people, or deny people health care, or have them waterboarded, and it does not disturb their sleep. They can be impressively confident. Psychopaths can be dynamic leaders of enterprises, but are handicapped by their lack of feelings for relationships. They may be accomplished captains of industry, or senators or surgeons, but their families are frequently abused and miserable. Most psychotherapists have seen the wives or husband or children of such accomplished people.

Since psychopaths are usually very smart, they can be quite competent at impersonating regular human beings in positions of power. Since they don’t care how their actions affect people, they can rise to great height in enterprises dealing with power and money. They can manufacture bombs or run hospitals. Whatever the undertaking, it is all the same to them. It’s just business.

The economic system that remains after the destruction of American local cultures has created an excellent employment picture for psychopaths. But the opportunities open to them are now so vast that there is apparently now an actual labor shortage. At least that is the only explanation I can find for the rise of a cadre of psychopathic leaders who resemble the usual type in all ways but one: they’re simply not that smart. One has only to look at right-wing not-so-Christian fundamentalists to see the peculiar emergence of a second-string of psychopaths.

The US has been endowed with abundant resources, and there have always been a more than sufficient supply of psychopaths of the first intellectual grade to supply corporate suites and their subsidiary, the Congress. Why is there now a downgrade to the dumb ones, like the lowering of standards for military recruits to deal with a shortage of cannon fodder?

It is no secret that the Koch brothers and others of the super-rich seem to have undertaken a final push to consolidate control through the conversion of a marginally democratic to an essentially fascist state; extreme right-wing, authoritarian, and demagogic. This kind of government is ideal for control of a populace by the moneyed elite. To carry this out requires the employment of many ‘kept’ politicians to excite and misdirect scared and angry – and ignorant – voters. Lest the citizenry realize who stole their money and storm their castles with torches, the rapacious elite need politicians who will carry out the work of re-directing anger at teachers, or labor unions, or the poor. I can only conclude that the people who now own the country couldn’t find any first-rate psychopaths to carry out their work. Or maybe the smart ones were all occupied. So they had to go to second-stringers, people who could actually believe what they were told to say.

We are a country who has become second-best, even in the quality of our psychopaths.



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