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06-13-2011, 04:00 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rick Rojas, Los Angeles Times

June 12, 2011
It's located in a grimy and windowless building that it shares with an adult school on the edge of downtown. But to its students and teachers, the Santee Construction Academy is something of an educational utopia.

There are small classes with attentive teachers. A curriculum designed to prepare students for the real world with training for in-demand jobs. An atmosphere that students say is akin to a family.

Santee Construction Academy to close Photos: Santee Construction Academy to close

The campus fits the bill of what some educators and others describe as a model with its career training and staff commitment. Yet, in about two weeks, this program will be history.

It turns out that the same factors that have made the academy successful despite lukewarm test scores also made it vulnerable to the sweeping cuts Los Angeles public schools are being forced to make with a tightening budget. The program costs more than $1.5 million to operate.
</div></div> link (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-school-cuts-20110612,0,5887833.story)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003, the George W. Bush administration flooded the conquered country with so much cash to pay for reconstruction and other projects in the first year that a new unit of measurement was born.

Pentagon officials determined that one giant C-130 Hercules cargo plane could carry $2.4 billion in shrink-wrapped bricks of $100 bills. They sent an initial full planeload of cash, followed by 20 other flights to Iraq by May 2004 in a $12-billion haul that U.S. officials believe to be the biggest international cash airlift of all time.

This month, the Pentagon and the Iraqi government are finally closing the books on the program that handled all those Benjamins. But despite years of audits and investigations, U.S. Defense officials still cannot say what happened to $6.6 billion in cash enough to run the Los Angeles Unified School District or the Chicago Public Schools for a year, among many other things.

For the first time, federal auditors are suggesting that some or all of the cash may have been stolen, not just mislaid in an accounting error. Stuart Bowen, special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction, an office created by Congress, said the missing $6.6 billion may be "the largest theft of funds in national history."

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mis... </div></div>

Just saying.............Q

06-13-2011, 04:21 AM
Upon what basis do they verify this school is successful.

And ... everybody get their cameras out, Snoopy's head is about to start spinning again ... if you truly believe this school to be so great how do you reconcile the following with your "I LOVE THE DEMOCROOK PARTY AND DESPISE THE REPUBLICHICKEN PARTY" ideology:

1 - The school was opened under a (R) governator.

2 - The school was opened under a (R) POTUS.

3 - The school is closing under a (D) governor.

4 - The school is closing under a (D) POTUS.

5 - The school is closing under a (D) mayor.

6 - California was once gem of states ... under a conservative governor Ronald Wilson Reagan.

7 - The state has slowly marched itself to oblivion under a series of leftist state governments ever since.

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06-13-2011, 03:59 PM
Reagan helped destroy the California school system, which indeed was the country's greatest state school system, UNDER D-GOV EDMUND G. BROWN.

How is an interesting point, and the opposite of what you might imagine.

There was a budget shortfall when he came in, badly overstated, however, because of an accrual basis accounting factor that had the money showing up later in the process.

Reagan, with his keen BS in economics from Eureka College, couldn't understand why the stated looming deficits were so badly overstated, over-reacted, and penned overly large tax increases into effect with his support, including a 50% increase in the top state income tax bracket. (50%??? Yes, it was.)

Shortly, a large SURPLUS was created in state revenues vs. expenditures, prompting the Prop. 13 real estate tax revolt, which has hamstrung state revenues, and specifically revenues for the schools, ever since.

06-13-2011, 05:36 PM
My God where do you get this shiite from?

Back to reality:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Proposition 13 drew its impetus from 1971 and 1976 California Supreme Court rulings in Serrano v. Priest,Serrano[] that a property-tax based finance system for public schools was unconstitutional. The California Constitution required the legislature to provide a free public school system for each district, and the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution (which includes the Equal Protection Clause) required that all states provide to all citizens equal protection of the law. The court ruled that the amount of funding going to different districts was disproportionately favoring the wealthy. Previously, local property taxes went directly to the local school system, which minimized state government's involvement in the distribution of revenue. This system also allowed a wealthier district to fund its schools with a lesser tax rate than the rate a less affluent district would have to set to yield the same funding per pupil. The Court ruled that the state had to make the distribution of revenue more equitable. The state legislature responded by capping the rate of local revenue that a school district could receive and distributing excess amounts among the poorer districts. As a result property owners in affluent districts perceived that the benefits of the taxes they paid were no longer enjoyed exclusively by the local schools.

Moreover, the state's increasing population resulted in increased demand for housing, resulting in greater residential property values and, consequently, greater taxes for residences. Although the revenues supported the costs of growth, such as new schools, roads, and the extension of other municipal services, many older Californians with fixed incomes had difficulty paying the increasing property taxes. Due to inflation, reassessments of residential property increased property taxes so much that some retired people could no longer afford to remain in homes they had purchased long before. Government spending had also increased during the years prior to 1978. Between 1973 and 1977, California state and local government expenditures per $1000 of personal income were 8.2 percent higher than the national norm. From 1949 to 1979, public sector employment in California outstripped employment growth in the private sector. By 1978, 14.7 percent of California's civilian work force was state and local government employees, almost double the proportion of the early 1950s.[5]

During the early 1960s, there were several scandals in California involving county assessors.[5] These assessors, who had traditionally enjoyed great latitude in setting the taxable value of properties, were found rewarding friends and allies with artificially low assessments, with tax bills to match. These scandals resulted in the passage of law AB 80 during 1966, which imposed standards for assessments to represent market value. However, assessors, who are elected officials, had traditionally used their flexibility to aid elderly homeowners on fixed incomes, and more generally to systematically undervalue vote-rich residential properties and compensate by inflating commercial assessments. The use of market value as a result of AB 80 could easily represent a mid-double-digit percentage increase of assessment for many homeowners.

As a result, a large number of California homeowners experienced an immediate and drastic increase of valuation, simultaneous with increasing tax rates on that assessed value, only to be informed that the taxed monies would be redistributed to distant communities. Howard Jarvis, a former newspaperman and appliance manufacturer, became a taxpayer activist after his retirement, and began a campaign to reduce property taxes. </div></div>

So, IOW, many of the Hollywood leftist elites ... as they still do today ... tried to wrangle out of paying "THEIR FAIR SHARE" and a simple means was bribing county assessors.

Reagan signed into law an act which made this bribery system go away ... and the leftists deemed that being made to actually pay "THEIR FAIR SHARE" was somehow a tax increase.

Then when the courts ruled that their redistribution of wealth scam meant that they also had to redistribute some of their own wealth, their heads began spinning.

LWW &lt;--- Doing the historical research that US leftists just won't do anymore.

TRUTH VERSUS MYTHOLOGY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposition_13)

06-17-2011, 10:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My God where do you get this shiite from? </div></div>

You've heard of Wikipedia? (I know you have-- it's where your citation above came from, among many others in the past.)

Well, I call my memory 'Wacko-pedia.' It's similar to Wikipedia in that it covers a lot of subject matters, and it's not always wholly reliable. Most of my Wacko-pedia was filled up in my younger days, prior to the I-net, so there are two conflicting aspects: one, the reading on which it was based was generally more reliable than what you find now on the I-net, and two, unfortunately, it was a long time ago by now, and thus is subject to the vagaries of human memory.

However, as a California native (born in Oakland, later an Angelino), my memory on that topic isn't so bad. In fact, what I said is corroborated here, from Howard Jarvis' own site about Prop. 13. (http://www.hjta.org/propositions/proposition-13/proposition-13-look-back) (You remember Howard Jarvis, the father of Prop. 13, I presume?)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Proposition 13 has been and continues to be the victim of scapegoating for all the ills that befall California.</div></div>

True, and in particular, for the fall of the California public school system from among the tops in the nation to quite bad. How does the Jarvis-site link describe the history of its creation?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Over the last three years of the Pat Brown administration, spending was up over revenues. A phased-in transition from a cash treatment of revenues to an accrual treatment of revenues, in which revenues are counted when they come due on paper rather than when the revenue is actually in hand, covered over the deficits. When Brown's successor, Ronald Reagan, moved into the governor's mansion the deficits were waiting on the doorstep.

Reagan later calculated the state overspending figure at $1 million a day. This calculation underestimated the problem. Reagan's supposed solution was to balance the books with a tax increase.

David R. Doerr, now a tax specialist for the business sponsored California Taxpayers Association, was employed by the state legislature's Assembly Revenue and Taxation Committee in 1967. He worked on the tax increase plan, which was signed by Reagan.

"Basically, the legislature taxed everything that moved," he said. Sales taxes were increased; liquor taxes went up, as did inheritance taxes. But the engine of what was then the largest tax increase in California history was the income tax. Rates were increased, brackets were narrowed, and exemptions were replaced by tax credits. The income tax was made extremely progressive. In fact, Doerr said with regret, "it became a money making machine."

Money making for government, that is, money reducing for the taxpayers.

Reagan, himself, argued that the income tax was the only levy that could generate needed revenues and provide property tax relief. Reagan's plan raised taxes $900-million. The tax increases signed by Reagan did more than close the budget gap. They kept pumping revenue into the state treasury well after the crisis was over. In fact, the tax increase piled up so much revenue into the state treasury that within a decade the state was sitting on a six billion dollar surplus or about 40% of the entire state budget at the time.

With the tax spigot turned on, Reagan, himself, could not turn it off. His measure on the special election 1973 ballot to limit spending was defeated. Tax revenue continued pouring into the state treasury after the budget crisis was past. In fact, for the five years between the defeat of the Reagan initiative to Proposition 13's tax revolt in 1978, state spending increased an amazing 12.5% a year; state revenues went up an incredible 18.4% a year. It was coming in so fast; government couldn't spend it all!

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>The existence of a growing surplus became a major issue in the Proposition 13 campaign.</span> Voters were convinced government was too fat, and they voted overwhelmingly for Proposition 13. </div></div>

So, here we find the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association website explaining in greater detail exactly what I said.

06-18-2011, 05:20 AM
What an imagination you have.

06-18-2011, 11:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What a<s>n imagination</s> memory you have. </div></div>


As everything I said was confirmed on the site of the creator of Prop. 13, I'd assume you would change the subject. Nicely played.

06-19-2011, 04:40 PM
Or you could creatively claim that the Jarvis Taxpayer Association is a leftist statist organization.

Your call.

Gayle in MD
06-21-2011, 10:21 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Or you could creatively claim that the Jarvis Taxpayer Association is a leftist statist organization.

Your call. </div></div>

No, he'll just do what he always does, when you, or Q., or anyone else proves he's not only totally wrong, but just another RW LIAR, who is completely uninformed, and irrational. He will now flood the site with numerous posts to himself, to cover up your exposure of his ignorance.