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Soflasnapper
06-16-2011, 02:24 PM
Sam Smith and his Progressive Review have been cited here before, for his long list of the Clinton administration evil-doers.

I cite this as Exhibit A for the understanding here of those who think 'the left (tm)' is down with Obama.

Or, that 'the left (tm)' drinks the Kool-aid of the Democratic Party or from Obama.

Sam puts his political persuasion into his website name (Progressive), and to tell the difference between Progs (and the further left) and Democrats, one could check out the Youtube taped confab between Ron Paul and Ralph Nader, and see how extensively they agree on a whole range of critical issues

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Mob Politics vs. Political Movements
Obama as the Bernie Madoff of the Democratic Party

By SAM SMITH

For the next year and a half you will be subjected to the latest developments in the great contemporary American fairy tale: a presidential campaign.

True, we will get to pick who we want to be Goldilocks and who the big bad bears, but citizen participation in a fantasy doesn't make it any more real.

There has been over the past few decades a steady deterioration of the political difference between national Democratic and Republican politics, most notably with Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. Today it is hard to define that difference given the strong bipartisan support for several illegal wars, the unconstitutional Patriot Act, and a bottomless desire to bail out Wall Street, and a stunning indifference to the financial problems of everyone else. On some days it seems like the only thing that stand between Obama and the Republican Party is his voter registration card. Even on his better days he is just to borrow a favorite term of his White House a "distraction from the real issues."

In fact, the political metaphor hardly works anymore. It's more sensible to regard the two major parties as Mafia mobs fighting for control of a region known as the United States.

This isn't to say that there isn't a difference between them. But it's about survival, however, not politics. The Demos tend to do less damage to our lives than the Repubs. Both mobs may beat the shit out your father, but the Demos are less likely to harm your children or your grandmother.

The importance of this distinction between politics and survival is important because, for one thing, it spares us of the totally false myth that got Obama into office in the first place. Obama turned out to be the Bernie Madoff of the Democratic Party. He conned millions into giving him their hope and change and then ripped them off.

This doesn't mean that one doesn't vote for a Demo thug as president or some lower position, but it means that one does so recognizing that the selection of the least dangerous mob in town is a far different matter than backing a political cause.

Once one has made that important distinction the whole nature of politics changes. It is no longer about icons, but about issues. It's not about elections but about what happens before and after elections. It is no longer about identifying with a party but with a movement.

We are in desperate need of an anti-war movement, an anti-Wall Street movement, an anti-foreclosure movement, and anti-corporate bribery movement, and a new labor movement just to name a few.

Yes, there are wonderful folk attempting to build such movements, but it doesn't help when liberals and their media constantly lower their goals to Obama's uncertain, misguided, misleading and unimaginative solutions or when public interest groups adopt the same narrow objectives and insider trading style typical of corporate lobbyists.

If America is to be saved, it will because of movements outside the mainstream political game. It's always been like that and will continue to be so.

So enjoy the fairy tale that is bubbling up around us. Vote for the bastards who will be do us the least harm. But if you want to be part of the story and you are whether you desire it or not then that only thing that will really matter is what you do outside the voting booth.

For in the end, there's nobody who can make a better difference but us.

Sam Smith edits the Progressive Review. </div></div>

LWW
06-17-2011, 11:42 AM
And again ... you get it without ever getting it.

Qtec
06-19-2011, 06:34 AM
STFU with that crap. It doesn't make you look smart.

Q

Qtec
06-19-2011, 07:14 AM
If there was another viable Dem candidate the progressives would desert him.
There isn't.

If there was another viable candidate from the GOP , he might be in trouble.
There isn't.

IMO Obama was naive. He believed that the GOP would work with him to pull the US out of the biggest financial disaster since the GD. How wrong he was.

Q

LWW
06-19-2011, 09:37 AM
Where was the democrook jobs bill?

Sev
06-19-2011, 01:47 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">STFU with that crap. It doesn't make you look smart.

Q </div></div>

Somebody has bee in his bonnet.

Sev
06-19-2011, 01:49 PM
Sounds like he is looking for the Tea Party and cant see it.

Gayle in MD
06-21-2011, 12:44 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">STFU with that crap. It doesn't make you look smart.

Q </div></div>

Nothing could!

Gayle in MD
06-21-2011, 12:52 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sam Smith and his Progressive Review have been cited here before, for his long list of the Clinton administration evil-doers.

I cite this as Exhibit A for the understanding here of those who think 'the left (tm)' is down with Obama.

Or, that 'the left (tm)' drinks the Kool-aid of the Democratic Party or from Obama.

Sam puts his political persuasion into his website name (Progressive), and to tell the difference between Progs (and the further left) and Democrats, one could check out the Youtube taped confab between Ron Paul and Ralph Nader, and see how extensively they agree on a whole range of critical issues

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Mob Politics vs. Political Movements
Obama as the Bernie Madoff of the Democratic Party

By SAM SMITH

For the next year and a half you will be subjected to the latest developments in the great contemporary American fairy tale: a presidential campaign.

True, we will get to pick who we want to be Goldilocks and who the big bad bears, but citizen participation in a fantasy doesn't make it any more real.

There has been over the past few decades a steady deterioration of the political difference between national Democratic and Republican politics, most notably with Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. Today it is hard to define that difference given the strong bipartisan support for several illegal wars, the unconstitutional Patriot Act, and a bottomless desire to bail out Wall Street, and a stunning indifference to the financial problems of everyone else. On some days it seems like the only thing that stand between Obama and the Republican Party is his voter registration card. Even on his better days he is just to borrow a favorite term of his White House a "distraction from the real issues."

In fact, the political metaphor hardly works anymore. It's more sensible to regard the two major parties as Mafia mobs fighting for control of a region known as the United States.

This isn't to say that there isn't a difference between them. But it's about survival, however, not politics. The Demos tend to do less damage to our lives than the Repubs. Both mobs may beat the shit out your father, but the Demos are less likely to harm your children or your grandmother.

The importance of this distinction between politics and survival is important because, for one thing, it spares us of the totally false myth that got Obama into office in the first place. Obama turned out to be the Bernie Madoff of the Democratic Party. He conned millions into giving him their hope and change and then ripped them off.

This doesn't mean that one doesn't vote for a Demo thug as president or some lower position, but it means that one does so recognizing that the selection of the least dangerous mob in town is a far different matter than backing a political cause.

Once one has made that important distinction the whole nature of politics changes. It is no longer about icons, but about issues. It's not about elections but about what happens before and after elections. It is no longer about identifying with a party but with a movement.

We are in desperate need of an anti-war movement, an anti-Wall Street movement, an anti-foreclosure movement, and anti-corporate bribery movement, and a new labor movement just to name a few.

Yes, there are wonderful folk attempting to build such movements, but it doesn't help when liberals and their media constantly lower their goals to Obama's uncertain, misguided, misleading and unimaginative solutions or when public interest groups adopt the same narrow objectives and insider trading style typical of corporate lobbyists.

If America is to be saved, it will because of movements outside the mainstream political game. It's always been like that and will continue to be so.

So enjoy the fairy tale that is bubbling up around us. Vote for the bastards who will be do us the least harm. But if you want to be part of the story and you are whether you desire it or not then that only thing that will really matter is what you do outside the voting booth.

For in the end, there's nobody who can make a better difference but us.

Sam Smith edits the Progressive Review. </div></div> </div></div>

Interesting post, but not quite the truth.

The truth is that Repigs filibustered the recovery, for their one and only stated goal, to make this president a one term president, as their onw leaders stated, and are still stating over and over again.

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We are in desperate need of an anti-war movement, an anti-Wall Street movement, an anti-foreclosure movement, and anti-corporate bribery movement, and a new labor movement just to name a few.

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I agree somewhat with the above, although I ma reserving my opinion on Afghanistan, at this time, because of the horrible oppression and maltreatment of women and children in that region, and there is no doubt that the ONLY way any of the rest would, or could happen, is through voting in more Dems in this next election, as many of the disillusioned who voted Repiglican, have finally learned, and hence, are turning against every new Repiglican Governor that they elected.

This thread totally supports my own determination to NEVER vote for a Repiglican.

I grew up in the forties and fifties, and have witnessed first hand the damages that Repiglicans have done to my country. It all started with the Reagan Administration, and worsened with every Repiglican Congress, and President, since. Reagan's "Morning in America" was really his "Mourning in America" as so many of his policies are now proven as having laid the groundwork for the demise of the American Workers of our country, the influx of illegals, the folly of his so called ending of the cold war, a real joke, and his corporate Fascist Policies, that led to our demise.

The Repiglican "Shock Doctrine" is finally fully visible to all, and the next election, will reflect that, IMO.

G.