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Gayle in MD
06-21-2011, 06:05 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The New York Times reports on Justice Clarence Thomas’ longstanding — and highly fruitful — relationship with a leading conservative donor named Harlan Crow. Crow has donated nearly $5 million to Republican candidates and conservative organizations, including $100,000 to the anti-John Kerry Swift Boat Veterans for Truth — and he has also been very generous to the Thomas family:
The two men met in the mid-1990s, a few years after Justice Thomas joined the court. Since then, Mr. Crow has done many favors for the justice and his wife, Virginia, helping finance a Savannah library project dedicated to Justice Thomas, presenting him with a Bible that belonged to Frederick Douglass and reportedly providing $500,000 for Ms. Thomas to start a Tea Party-related group. They have also spent time together at gatherings of prominent Republicans and businesspeople at Mr. Crow’s Adirondacks estate and his camp in East Texas. [...]

Mr. Crow has not personally been a party to Supreme Court litigation, but his companies have been involved in federal court cases, including four that went to the appellate level. And he has served on the boards of two conservative organizations involved in filing supporting briefs in cases before the Supreme Court. One of them, the American Enterprise Institute, with Mr. Crow as a trustee, gave Justice Thomas a bust of Lincoln valued at $15,000 and praised his jurisprudence at an awards gala in 2001.

As the Times‘ article details, Crow also donated $1.3 million to help set up a museum that Thomas has been heavily involved in creating — an arrangement that could violate the Code of Conduct for U.S. Judges if it wasn’t for the fact that the Supreme Court has exempted itself from this Code.

Sadly, Thomas’ relationship with Crow — and the even more troubling fact that he received a $15,000 gift from an organization that frequently files briefs before his Court — is merely the most recent example of many ethically questionable actions by Justice Thomas:

Unethical Fundraising: The Code of Conduct does not allow judges to “personally participate in fund-raising activities, solicit funds for any organization, or use or permit the use of the prestige of judicial office for that purpose,” except in very limited circumstances. Yet Justice Thomas attended a Koch-sponsored political fundraiser intended to fund the conservative infrastructure of front groups, political campaigns, think tanks and media outlets. This attendance is technically legal, because of the justices exemption from the Code of Conduct, but the justices claim that they have long followed a policy of “look[ing] to the Code of Conduct for guidance” in determining when they may participate in fundraising activities.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Failure to Disclose: Federal judges and justices are required by law to disclose their spouse’s income — thus preventing persons who wish to influence the judge or justice from funneling money to them through their husband or wife. Nevertheless, Thomas falsely claimed that his wife Ginni — a lobbyist and high-earning member of the professional right — earned no non-investment income whatsoever while she was working at the right-wing Heritage Foundation. When asked to explain this error, Thomas — who is one of the nine people responsible for issuing binding interpretations of the nation’s founding document — claimed that he “misunderst[ood] the filing instructions.”

Potential Conflict of Interest: Ginni Thomas used to lead an organization that vigorously opposes the Affordable Care Act, and she even briefly signed a memo calling that Act unconstitutional. Ginni also may be earning lobbying fees for working to have this Act repealed. A team of conservative lawyers recently argued that such activities by a judge’s spouse requires the judge to recuse from the lawsuits challenging the ACA, but a defiant speech Thomas gave to the conservative Federalist Society leaves little doubt that he will not recuse.

A Financial Stake in His Own Decisions?: Ginni Thomas may also be getting rich off of her husband’s vote in the infamous Citizens United decision — which freed corporations to spend billions of dollars to buy U.S. elections. Ginni’s new lobbying firm “offers advice on optimizing political investments for charitable giving in the non-profit world or political causes,” a line of work which has obviously become much more lucrative since Citizens United.</span>
Any one of these instances would be troubling, but the fact that one justice has managed to accrue such a list is deeply disturbing and raises serious questions about what else Thomas might be hiding.


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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/06/18/248038/yet-another-thomas-ethics-probleml


<span style="color: #990000"> So will repiglicans demand that Thomas Resign? Or, will we see just more of the same, historically proven Repiglican Hypocrisy, laced with gross Racism, Sexism, HOMOPHOBIA, fraud and misogyny?

No, they won't demand that he resign! They NEVER DO! IIARIOK! </span>

Soflasnapper
06-21-2011, 08:19 AM
Will he? Of course not.

Will he be forced out? Not by Republicans, and not during any Democratic president's term of office.

He's the 5 in the 5-4 conservative split.

Gayle in MD
06-21-2011, 08:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Will he? Of course not.

Will he be forced out? Not by Republicans, and not during any Democratic president's term of office.

He's the 5 in the 5-4 conservative split. </div></div>


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Justices Have Been Forced To Resign For Doing What Clarence Thomas Has Done
By Ian Millhiser on Jun 19, 2011 at 1:19 pm


Disgraced Former Justice Abe Fortas

Justice Clarence Thomas is an ethics problem in a black robe. Just eight months after ThinkProgress broke the story of Thomas’ attendance at a Koch-sponsored political fundraiser, we learn that Thomas doesn’t just do unethical favors for wealthy right-wing donors — they also do expensive favors for him.

Leading conservative donor Harlan Crow, whose company often litigates in federal court, provided $500,000 to allow Thomas’s wife to start a Tea Party group and he once gave Thomas a $19,000 Bible that belonged to Frederick Douglass. The American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank which frequently files briefs in Thomas’ Court, also gave Thomas a $15,000 gift.

If this sounds familiar, it’s because America has seen this movie before. Indeed, the Thomas scandal is little more than a remake of the forty year-old gifting scandal that brought down Justice Abe Fortas. Like Thomas, Fortas liked to associate with wealthy individuals with potential business before his Court. And like Thomas, Fortas took inappropriate gifts from his wealthy benefactors.

Fortas’ questionable gifts first came out when President Johnson nominated him for a promotion to Chief Justice of the United States in 1968. Fortas had accepted $15,000 to lead seminars at American University — far more than the university normally paid for such services — and the payments were bankrolled by the leaders of frequent corporate litigants including the vice president of Phillip Morris. Fortas survived this revelation, although his nomination for the Chief Justiceship was filibustered into oblivion.

Just a year later, the country learned that Fortas took another highly questionable gift. In 1966, one year after Fortas joined the Court, stock speculator Louis E. Wolfson’s foundation began paying Fortas an annual retainer of $20,000 per year for consulting services. Fortas’ actions were legal, and he eventually returned the money after Wolfson was convicted of securities violations and recused himself from Wolfson’s case, but the damage to Fortas — and the potential harm to the Supreme Court’s reputation — were too great. Fortas resigned in disgrace.

It is difficult to distinguish Fortas’ scandal from Thomas’. Like Fortas, Thomas accepted several very valuable gifts from parties who are frequently interested in the outcome of federal court cases. One of Thomas’ benefactors has even filed briefs in his Court since giving Thomas a $15,000 gift, and Thomas has not recused himself from each of these cases.

<span style='font-size: 17pt'>Of course, Thomas is also the least likely Justice to actually follow the command of precedent. Thomas embraces a discredited theory of the Constitution which would return America to a time when federal child labor laws were considered unconstitutional. His fellow justices criticize him for showing “utter disregard for our precedent and Congress’ intent.” Even ultra-conservative Justice Antonin Scalia finds Thomas’ approach to the law too extreme — in Scalia’s words “I am a textualist. I am an originalist. I am not a nut.”</span><span style='font-size: 20pt'>But Thomas’ disregard for what has come before him changes nothing about the precedent he faces. If Abe Fortas had to resign his seat, so too should Clarence Thomas.</span>
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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/06/19/248151/clarence-thomas-resign/


IIARIOK!

eg8r
06-21-2011, 08:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Will he be forced out? Not by Republicans, and not during any Democratic president's term of office.
</div></div>Surely he will be wise enough to stick around until we have a more sensible President in office.

eg8r

Soflasnapper
06-21-2011, 08:45 AM
He won't go, period, regardless of who is the president, unless he's indicted. I think he'd still stick around even then, pending the trial (and appeal), because the man is classless.

All the judicial ethical canons he's violated are non-binding on SCOTUS justices, unless they voluntarily agree to them. Although they are binding on all federal judges below that level, and my understanding is that all the other SCOTUS justices have agreed to follow the normal ethical canon.

Gayle in MD
06-21-2011, 08:58 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Will he be forced out? Not by Republicans, and not during any Democratic president's term of office.
</div></div>Surely he will be wise enough to stick around until we have a more sensible President in office.

eg8r </div></div>

LMAO! More sensible than whom? George Bush? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Rick Perry?

Michele Bachmann?

Mitt Romney? The Dog abuser, who outsourced American Jobs, and bankrupted companies, in order to fill his own pockets, and was forty seventh in Job creation when he was Governor?

Your Hero, Sara Palin? /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif Too stupid to use birth control, in her forties?

Tpaw, lol.

Gingrich? LMAO!

Huntsman?

I'd say we have a far better man in office than any in your list!

G.

eg8r
06-21-2011, 12:44 PM
More sensible than Obama. We need to do everything we can at this point to limit this man's impact on our country. He has been horrible.

eg8r

eg8r
06-21-2011, 12:46 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He won't go, period, regardless of who is the president, unless he's indicted. I think he'd still stick around even then, pending the trial (and appeal), because the man is classless.
</div></div>Well, I hope if anything he sticks around long enough for Obama to be gone.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-21-2011, 01:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">More sensible than Obama. We need to do everything we can at this point to limit this man's impact on our country. He has been horrible.

eg8r </div></div>

Most Americans don't agree with you, and in fact, your new guys are the ones diving in approval ratings.

You might just as well brace yourself, Ed, because President Obama, will be re-elected. The Repigs have nothing to offer except the same policies that destroyed the country, in the first place, only now, they're Repigs on crack!

If you think the average American is going to go out and vote for Repiglicans after watching them literally take food from hungry children, take investment money from education, destroy investments in research and investments in order to restore our increasingly threatened infrastructure, all of those being job creators, all in order to give away more to multi-billionaires, and the polluting pigs who are currently destroying our drinking water, our air, our Unions, our SS, our Medicare, you are truly dreaming!

Every new Repiglican Governor, is crashing in the polls, every single one of them.

G.

Gayle in MD
06-21-2011, 01:05 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He won't go, period, regardless of who is the president, unless he's indicted. I think he'd still stick around even then, pending the trial (and appeal), because the man is classless.
</div></div>Well, I hope if anything he sticks around long enough for Obama to be gone.

eg8r </div></div>

If we can get rid of him by 2016, great!

Hopefully, he will continue to stuff his face, and we'll get rid of him even sooner!

G.

eg8r
06-21-2011, 01:22 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most Americans don't agree with you, and in fact, your new guys are the ones diving in approval ratings.
</div></div>Again, you continue to prove the under-estimated stupidity of Americans.

eg8r

eg8r
06-21-2011, 01:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hopefully, he will continue to stuff his face, and we'll get rid of him even sooner!
</div></div>Would you enjoy it if we rooted on a return of cancer so you could be removed from this board any sooner? How low are you really willing to go wish someone would die or become so ill they could not perform to the best of their abilities? Or do you say stuff like this because you know that you are not worth his time to come here so you could say it to his face?

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-21-2011, 01:55 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hopefully, he will continue to stuff his face, and we'll get rid of him even sooner!
</div></div>Would you enjoy it if we rooted on a return of cancer so you could be removed from this board any sooner? How low are you really willing to go wish someone would die or become so ill they could not perform to the best of their abilities? Or do you say stuff like this because you know that you are not worth his time to come here so you could say it to his face?

eg8r </div></div>

My cancer was cuased by filthy food, Ed. Not by stuffing my face, or any other lifestyle addiction.

Do you with hold your lies about Ted Kennedy, or Bill Clinton, until you can say them to their faces?


You're such a total hypocrite!

G.

LWW
06-21-2011, 04:28 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hopefully, he will continue to stuff his face, and we'll get rid of him even sooner!
</div></div>Would you enjoy it if we rooted on a return of cancer so you could be removed from this board any sooner? How low are you really willing to go wish someone would die or become so ill they could not perform to the best of their abilities? Or do you say stuff like this because you know that you are not worth his time to come here so you could say it to his face?

eg8r </div></div>

Congrats for finally seeing the real Charlotte.

If I didn't have to reveal the mole's ID I'd share some of the hate filled PM's and e-mails she has sent to the mole.

And, much to your chagrin Charlotte, my morning BP averages 110/70 ... my resting heart rate in the mid 50's ... and at 54.5 I can still pass all of the US Army PT requirements to graduate from basic training. I intend on being around for quite awhile.

ugotda7
06-21-2011, 04:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">More sensible than Obama. We need to do everything we can at this point to limit this man's impact on our country. He has been horrible.

eg8r </div></div>

Most Americans don't agree with you, and in fact, your new guys are the ones diving in approval ratings.

You might just as well brace yourself, Ed, because President Obama, will be re-elected. The Repigs have nothing to offer except the same policies that destroyed the country, in the first place, only now, they're Repigs on crack!

If you think the average American is going to go out and vote for Repiglicans after watching them literally take food from hungry children, take investment money from education, destroy investments in research and investments in order to restore our increasingly threatened infrastructure, all of those being job creators, all in order to give away more to multi-billionaires, and the polluting pigs who are currently destroying our drinking water, our air, our Unions, our SS, our Medicare, you are truly dreaming!

Every new Repiglican Governor, is crashing in the polls, every single one of them.

G. </div></div>

This display of stupidity is quite impressive. Congratulations.

Gayle in MD
06-23-2011, 11:13 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He won't go, period, regardless of who is the president, unless he's indicted. I think he'd still stick around even then, pending the trial (and appeal), because the man is classless.

<span style="color: #990000"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Excellent Point! </span> </span>

All the judicial ethical canons he's violated are non-binding on SCOTUS justices, unless they voluntarily agree to them. Although they are binding on all federal judges below that level, and my understanding is that all the other SCOTUS justices have agreed to follow the normal ethical canon. </div></div>


<span style="color: #990000"> <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Excellent Post! A crook on the Supreme Court! We should all be out there waving our sings, demanding that he resign. That would probably be the very best thing we could be doing with our time right now, other then campaigning for President Obama, and anny other Democratic tht will be running for office!

G.</span> </span>

Sev
06-23-2011, 11:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hopefully, he will continue to stuff his face, and we'll get rid of him even sooner!
</div></div>Would you enjoy it if we rooted on a return of cancer so you could be removed from this board any sooner? How low are you really willing to go wish someone would die or become so ill they could not perform to the best of their abilities? Or do you say stuff like this because you know that you are not worth his time to come here so you could say it to his face?

eg8r </div></div>

My cancer was cuased by filthy food, Ed. Not by stuffing my face, or any other lifestyle addiction.

Do you with hold your lies about Ted Kennedy, or Bill Clinton, until you can say them to their faces?


You're such a total hypocrite!

G.
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More like the cancer is linked you being apoplectic about everything and everybody around you. The stress generated by such causes a break down of the bodies cellular structure and immune system.

Continual stress, agitation, paranoia amongst other things regularly lead to an early death.

Gayle in MD
06-23-2011, 12:24 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">More sensible than Obama. We need to do everything we can at this point to limit this man's impact on our country. He has been horrible.

eg8r </div></div>

No he has not!

What a fool for saying such a thing, after you defended George Bush, who pust this country into a debt ditch, and left two unfinished wars behind him and borrowed us into oblivion!

What a blind partisan you are!

Bah Bah Bah....

G.

eg8r
06-23-2011, 12:56 PM
Obama has been extremely horrible and the worst part about it is that he will be living the high life when the house of cards topples. His/Pelosi/Reids lies over the cost of the HC bill, if not stopped, will have a devastative effect.

I still have not seen one lefty give one example of a Government program that ran on budget and schedule.

eg8r

Sev
06-23-2011, 01:00 PM
Your pissing into the wind E.

wolfdancer
06-23-2011, 01:12 PM
Gayle, interesting article...thanks for posting it. Hope that you and Jim are enjoying the great warm weather.

llotter
06-23-2011, 01:22 PM
I detect another attempt at a hi-tech lynching of a great man because he is black. Blatant racism if I ever saw it. I can't see you Gayle, but my guess you are often wearing one of those white robes and burn crosses regularly. It must really irritate you that this great man married a white girl.

eg8r
06-23-2011, 02:29 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My cancer was cuased by filthy food, Ed. Not by stuffing my face, or any other lifestyle addiction.
</div></div>That doesn't matter. You are "rooting" on the death of someone else. My point is how would you like it to be done to you? At least Sev was man enough to admit when he did it that he went overboard and probably should not have said it.

As far as me holding my lies about people you are changing the subject, but no I speak what I want when i want and to whom I want. If there is one double edged sword in my personality it is the ability to speak my mind no matter who is around. If the murderous Uncle Ted was still here and he dropped by the board I would have no problem telling him what I thought. If you can get Bill to break away for a few minutes and invite him to the board I will ask him what sick crap went through him mind when he was raping those women. Work you magic with all those DC insiders you know.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-23-2011, 03:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: llotter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I detect another attempt at a hi-tech lynching of a great man because he is black. Blatant racism if I ever saw it. I can't see you Gayle, but my guess you are often wearing one of those white robes and burn crosses regularly. It must really irritate you that this great man married a white girl. </div></div>

Another cheap shot, which my own posting history here, disproves.

Too bad for you, but it doesn't surprise me that you would stoop so low.

g.

Gayle in MD
06-23-2011, 03:08 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My cancer was cuased by filthy food, Ed. Not by stuffing my face, or any other lifestyle addiction.
</div></div>That doesn't matter. You are "rooting" on the death of someone else. My point is how would you like it to be done to you? At least Sev was man enough to admit when he did it that he went overboard and probably should not have said it.

As far as me holding my lies about people you are changing the subject, but no I speak what I want when i want and to whom I want. If there is one double edged sword in my personality it is the ability to speak my mind no matter who is around. If the murderous Uncle Ted was still here and he dropped by the board I would have no problem telling him what I thought. If you can get Bill to break away for a few minutes and invite him to the board I will ask him what sick crap went through him mind when he was raping those women. Work you magic with all those DC insiders you know.

eg8r </div></div>

Neither were here when you were slandering them, Ed.

Rooting? LMAO. You get very upset over any and every crooked Republican, and always switch the subject to your slanted fantasy version of trying to change Repiglican law breaking, over to Repiglican honor, by attacking Dems, in order to muddy up the meat of every post which is critical of the Repiglican Crooks, adept at overlooking every Repiglican felony, from Obstruction of Justice, to Treason, in the process.

Quite Hypocritical of you to accuse others of exactly what you do all of the time.

G.

eg8r
06-23-2011, 03:28 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rooting? LMAO. You get very upset over any and every crooked Republican, and always switch the subject to your slanted fantasy version of trying to change Repiglican law breaking, over to Repiglican honor, by attacking Dems, in order to muddy up the meat of every post which is critical of the Repiglican Crooks, adept at overlooking every Repiglican felony, from Obstruction of Justice, to Treason, in the process.
</div></div>Changing the subject again? We are talking about how you were rooting on the death of another individual. Again, Sev was man enough to admit it was a mistake.

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-23-2011, 04:05 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rooting? LMAO. You get very upset over any and every crooked Republican, and always switch the subject to your slanted fantasy version of trying to change Repiglican law breaking, over to Repiglican honor, by attacking Dems, in order to muddy up the meat of every post which is critical of the Repiglican Crooks, adept at overlooking every Repiglican felony, from Obstruction of Justice, to Treason, in the process.
</div></div>Changing the subject again? We are talking about how you were rooting on the death of another individual. Again, Sev was man enough to admit it was a mistake.

eg8r </div></div>

Don't mention that filth to me, please.

I hope he keeps on stuffing his face!

Maybe he will go the way of Jerry Falwell!

The sooner the better!


Can't be too soon for me, I want my country rescued from the Fascist RW Activist Supreme Court as soon as possible, and in fact, I hope he has an eating contest with Scalia!
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eg8r
06-23-2011, 05:21 PM
What are you referring to as filth? The part where you wish death upon someone?

eg8r

Gayle in MD
06-23-2011, 11:13 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfdancer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gayle, interesting article...thanks for posting it. Hope that you and Jim are enjoying the great warm weather. </div></div>

Well hi there my friend!

Didn't see this post until now.

Yes, we've been having a wonderful time. The weather has been beautiful. Just came back from a long weekend on the boat, with the family. It was just great to get away, and enjoy our family.

How are you doing???

Miss you around here.

Gotta give you and Dick Leonard a call soon.

Love,
Gayle

Sev
06-24-2011, 06:34 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gayle in MD</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rooting? LMAO. You get very upset over any and every crooked Republican, and always switch the subject to your slanted fantasy version of trying to change Repiglican law breaking, over to Repiglican honor, by attacking Dems, in order to muddy up the meat of every post which is critical of the Repiglican Crooks, adept at overlooking every Repiglican felony, from Obstruction of Justice, to Treason, in the process.
</div></div>Changing the subject again? We are talking about how you were rooting on the death of another individual. Again, Sev was man enough to admit it was a mistake.

eg8r </div></div>

Don't mention that filth to me, please.

I hope he keeps on stuffing his face!

Maybe he will go the way of Jerry Falwell!

The sooner the better!


Can't be too soon for me, I want my country rescued from the Fascist RW Activist Supreme Court as soon as possible, and in fact, I hope he has an eating contest with Scalia!
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Filth? Really dear??
I bet if we looked into your activities in the 60-70's we'd find some eye popping material.

Back on topic.

Why dont you just go out there with your pistol and shoot the boy. It's fairly obvious you would like to. The thought of a black man leaving the liberal plantation must be like hot iron in your guts. I bet "Uppity Niga" is constantly running though your mind.
You can make a name for yourself and leave a historical legacy like Sirhan Sirhan.

It becomes more apparent by the day Gayle, that you are an intolerant, prejudiced, bigoted racist.

LWW
06-24-2011, 03:40 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sev</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I bet if we looked into your activities in the 60-70's we'd find some eye popping material.
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The mole has passed along some interesting tales.

Sev
06-24-2011, 03:42 PM
Really???

I simply must hear this.

LWW
06-24-2011, 04:02 PM
She has been less snippy lately, so I shall remain silent ... plus, I don't want to risk giving up the mole's ID.

Sev
06-24-2011, 04:06 PM
There is that.

LWW
06-24-2011, 04:14 PM
The mole is certainly sick of the way she has behaved in the past.

Soflasnapper
06-24-2011, 05:27 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama has been extremely horrible and the worst part about it is that he will be living the high life when the house of cards topples. His/Pelosi/Reids lies over the cost of the HC bill, if not stopped, will have a devastative effect.

I still have not seen one lefty give one example of a Government program that ran on budget and schedule.

eg8r </div></div>

Shockingly, Medicare D is well below projected costs. You can look that up.

Shockingly, even the TARP spending came in costing about approx. **5%** of its stated projected costs.

I presume most people thought the auto bailout was wholly lost money, and that was significantly recouped.

Lots of examples.

Frankly, having had two years with the budget deficit SHRINKING in the most recent finished fiscal years is also fairly miraculous (which occurred because the TARP and auto monies, among others, came back in amounts and so quickly, none of which was predicted).

Sev
06-24-2011, 06:16 PM
And yet the economy is in the tank.

LWW
06-25-2011, 03:33 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama has been extremely horrible and the worst part about it is that he will be living the high life when the house of cards topples. His/Pelosi/Reids lies over the cost of the HC bill, if not stopped, will have a devastative effect.

I still have not seen one lefty give one example of a Government program that ran on budget and schedule.

eg8r </div></div>

Shockingly, Medicare D is well below projected costs. You can look that up.

Shockingly, even the TARP spending came in costing about approx. **5%** of its stated projected costs.

I presume most people thought the auto bailout was wholly lost money, and that was significantly recouped.

Lots of examples.

Frankly, having had two years with the budget deficit SHRINKING in the most recent finished fiscal years is also fairly miraculous (which occurred because the TARP and auto monies, among others, came back in amounts and so quickly, none of which was predicted).

</div></div>

What's amazing is that you actually believe any of that.

Medicare D has came in under gubmint estimates because it's a private sector plan.

TARP has become a state slush fund, and the auto bailout a total money hole where in truly Stalinesque style the gubmint loans even more money so that the old loan can be paid off and new funds squandered while cheering the "SUCCESS" of the plan.
OH DEAR! (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/15/rick-santorum/did-medicare-part-d-come-40-percent-under-budget-b/)

DickLeonard
06-25-2011, 09:39 AM
Gayle I applaud your stick to itness. Every once in a while I peek in to see if your being treated fairly. Dick

Soflasnapper
06-25-2011, 01:47 PM
What's amazing is that you actually believe any of that.

Medicare D has came in under gubmint estimates because it's a private sector plan.


Your link explains the true reasons that it came in UNDER BUDGETED AMOUNTS, to the tune of either 28% or 40% LESS than budgeted for, and the leading reasons do not relate to it being a private sector plan, as Santorum said, and which the arbiters at the link rate as only 'half true.'

How it is that a GOVERNMENT ADD-ON to MEDICARE, as Part D, is now a 'private sector plan,' is a mystery. Clearly enough, it is a GOVERNMENT plan, with a government budget, and as your link measures it, it has indeed come in 28% to 40 freaking percent UNDER BUDGET. AS I SAID, and as you said was amazing for me to believe, even as you link to sources that confirm it.

You are a piece of work. Why it came in under budget is well understood-- it was some 20% or so UNDER-SUBSCRIBED compared to projections that some 95% of those eligible would participate. It also used projections of prescription drug price increases based on historical data, which fell off since there had been no blockbuster must-have category-killer new drugs that achieved wide popularity of use during this period of time.

TARP has become a state slush fund, and the auto bailout a total money hole where in truly Stalinesque style the gubmint loans even more money so that the old loan can be paid off and new funds squandered while cheering the "SUCCESS" of the plan.

About as true as your first dissembling about Medicare Part D.

Fail.

eg8r
06-25-2011, 07:13 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shockingly, Medicare D is well below projected costs. You can look that up.
</div></div>Shocking is right. Shocking you would believe that bull.

What is with this significantly recouped bullcrap. Was it on budget or not. It just never happens.

eg8r

eg8r
06-25-2011, 07:16 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why it came in under budget is well understood-- it was some 20% or so UNDER-SUBSCRIBED compared to projections that some 95% of those eligible would participate. It also used projections of prescription drug price increases based on historical data, which fell off since there had been no blockbuster must-have category-killer new drugs that achieved wide popularity of use during this period of time.
</div></div>So it came under budget due to the fact that the forcasts were so far overshot they never could have been hit? Would you consider that a success especially because they still head to the well every year for more and more money?

eg8r

Soflasnapper
06-25-2011, 08:31 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Shockingly, Medicare D is well below projected costs. You can look that up.
</div></div>Shocking is right. Shocking you would believe that bull.

What is with this significantly recouped bullcrap. Was it on budget or not. It just never happens.

eg8r </div></div>

It is significantly below budgeted projections. That means it cost a LOT less.

As that was your question and claim, that no government program has ever done that, this is the countering fact, as it is a LARGE EXPENSIVE program, and it cost (depending upon who is providing the numbers evidently) some 28% to 40% UNDER what it was supposed to cost.

Now if you want to change the question or topic, be my guest. But your challenge has been met, and it would be more honest to admit it has been, however surprising it is to you.

LWW
06-26-2011, 11:39 AM
And again, you are confused.

Medicare Part D is not a government plan, it is a private sector plan:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Individuals are eligible for prescription drug coverage under a Part D plan if they are entitled to benefits under Medicare Part A and/or enrolled in Part B. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Beneficiaries can obtain the Part D drug benefit through two types of private plans: they can join a Prescription Drug Plan (PDP) for drug coverage only or they can join a Medicare Advantage plan (MA) that covers both medical services and prescription drugs (MA-PD).[2]</span>

Enrollment in Part D as of April 2010 was 27.6 million beneficiaries.[2] <span style='font-size: 14pt'>In 2010, there were 1,576 stand-alone Part D plans available, down from 1,689 plans in 2009. The number of available plans varied by region. The lowest was 41 (Alaska & Hawaii) and the highest was 55 (Pennsylvania & West Virginia).[3] This allows participants to choose a plan that best meets their individual needs. Plans are required to offer the "standard" benefit or one actuarially equivalent, or they may offer more generous benefits.</span> Medicare has made available an interactive online tool called the Medicare Plan Finder that <span style='font-size: 14pt'>allows for comparison of coverage and costs for all plans in a geographic area. The tool allows one to enter a list of medications along with pharmacy preferences. It can show the beneficiary's total annual costs for each plan along with a detailed breakdown of the plans' monthly premiums, deductibles, and prices for each drug during each phase of the benefit design.</span> Plans are required to update this site with current prices and formulary information every other week throughout the year. </div></div>


Put simply, rather than a gubmint ran plan with it's inherent issues, Medicare Part D gives a subsidy to each participant and they can then seek out the private party plan which best suits their needs.

The higher cost estimates were based on the costs which a bloated gubmint plan would have cost.

As a matter of fact, although the left glorifies part D as a proof of state efficiency ... it is fact an indictment of gubmint inefficiency and a testimony to why something like the Ryan Plan should work.

Soflasnapper
06-26-2011, 07:31 PM
The higher cost estimates were based on the costs which a bloated gubmint plan would have cost.

Jesus, no!

It was based on THIS EXACT PLAN.

Do you think they pulled a switch after they'd done their actuarial work, and substituted this for some other plan? And then never projected ITS costs?

That the government Medicare D program utilized some free market mechanisms doesn't make it a 'private' program. Do you think these private plans sprang up on their own, out of the free marketplace?

You might as well say the exchanges in the Obamacare program show that IT IS NOT A GOVERNMENT PLAN, BUT A PRIVATE PLAN.

Gayle in MD
06-29-2011, 05:31 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The higher cost estimates were based on the costs which a bloated gubmint plan would have cost.

Jesus, no!

It was based on THIS EXACT PLAN.

Do you think they pulled a switch after they'd done their actuarial work, and substituted this for some other plan? And then never projected ITS costs?

That the government Medicare D program utilized some free market mechanisms doesn't make it a 'private' program. Do you think these private plans sprang up on their own, out of the free marketplace?

You might as well say the exchanges in the Obamacare program show that IT IS NOT A GOVERNMENT PLAN, BUT A PRIVATE PLAN. </div></div>

Tap Tap Tap! And thank you for all of your successful efforts, in blowing away the lies from the right.

You do a magnificent jobs of it, as does my friend, Q.

We lost lots of highly intellectual Liberals, and Independents, due to the filth, slander and lies from the right.

You surely brighten my experience here, as I am sure you do for many others of us who have tired of the battle.

Thank you, and Q., for all that you do.

G.

Gayle in MD
06-29-2011, 05:37 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DickLeonard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Gayle I applaud your stick to itness. Every once in a while I peek in to see if your being treated fairly. Dick

</div></div>

Hello my friend. Always nice to see you here.

Fairness is not a goal of most from the right. Slander, twist the facts and statements made by educated Liberals here, and viciously attack, everyone who is aware of reality, is more like their M.O.

I don't read most of their crap, any more, due to their overall stunning ignorance, and intensely ugly natures.

Is there any wonder that people like Ann coulter, Glen Beck, Sara Palin, Rush Limbaugh and Ronald Reagan, are among their heroes?

As you can easily see, their twisting of facts, and insulting other members, is still the name of their game.

Juveniles, Without Conscience

G.