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LWW
06-23-2011, 02:55 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style='font-size: 11pt'>U.S. state and local governments will need to raise taxes by $1,398 per household every year for the next 30 years if they are to fully fund their pension systems, a study released on Wednesday said.</span>

The study, co-authored by Joshua Rauh of Northwestern University and Robert Novy-Marx of the University of Rochester, both of whom are finance professors, argues that <span style='font-size: 11pt'>states will have to cut services or raise taxes to make up funding gaps if promises made to municipal employees are to be honored.</span>

Pension funding in U.S. cities and states has deteriorated in the wake of the 2007-2009 economic recession as investment earnings dropped, and some states, such as New Jersey and Illinois, skipped or reduced required payments.

The issue has sparked heated debates, from the streets of Wisconsin's capital, Madison, where thousands demonstrated over public employees' rights to bargain, to New Jersey, where lawmakers are expected to give final approval this week to a plan that will scale back benefits for public sector workers.

Wall Street rating agencies and investors in the $2.9 trillion U.S. municipal bond market are increasingly focusing on unfunded pension liabilities as they weigh the credit-worthiness of state and local government debt.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>Rauh and Novy-Marx have previously stirred up the debate over state pension obligations, including the dire prediction that existing pension liabilities total around $3 trillion</span>, if expected returns on investments are not counted.

Other studies have estimated the shortfall as far less. The Pew Center on the States, for example, found <span style='font-size: 11pt'>the pension shortfall for states could be $1.8 trillion, or as much as $2.4 trillion based on a 30-year Treasury bond.</span>

The study issued on Wednesday said contributions will far outstrip gains in revenue.

"To achieve fully funded pension systems within 30 years, contributions would have to rise today to the levels we calculate and then continue to grow along with the economy," Rauh said.

<span style='font-size: 11pt'>New Jersey will need to increase its revenue by the largest margin, requiring $2,475 more from each household per year</span>, according to the study.

The contribution requirements may be higher for states that already have a significant amount of debt on their books and "cannot tap municipal bond markets as easily for large contributions," the report said.

Illinois, for example, which has the lowest funded ratio of any state pension system, sold billions of dollars of pension bonds over the last two years to make its pension payments. </div></div>

TAX THE PROLES! (http://www.cnbc.com/id/43498037)

Qtec
06-23-2011, 03:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The study, co-authored by Joshua Rauh of Northwestern University and Robert Novy-Marx of the University of Rochester, both of whom are finance professors, argues that states will have to cut services or raise taxes to make up funding gaps <span style='font-size: 17pt'>if <u>promises</u> made to municipal employees are to be honored.</span>

<span style="color: #990000">Do you know what promise means?</span>

Pension funding in U.S. cities and states has deteriorated in the wake of the 2007-2009 economic recession as investment earnings dropped, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>and some states, such as New Jersey and Illinois, <span style="color: #000099">skipped or reduced <u>required payments.</span></u></span> </div></div>

They took the money that should have been paid into the pension fund and used it to fund tax breaks for business's and the rich.
now they want the worker to pay again.

Q

LWW
06-23-2011, 04:28 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The study, co-authored by Joshua Rauh of Northwestern University and Robert Novy-Marx of the University of Rochester, both of whom are finance professors, argues that states will have to cut services or raise taxes to make up funding gaps <span style='font-size: 17pt'>if <u>promises</u> made to municipal employees are to be honored.</span>

<span style="color: #990000">Do you know what promise means?</span>

Pension funding in U.S. cities and states has deteriorated in the wake of the 2007-2009 economic recession as investment earnings dropped, <span style='font-size: 17pt'>and some states, such as New Jersey and Illinois, <span style="color: #000099">skipped or reduced <u>required payments.</span></u></span> </div></div>

They took the money that should have been paid into the pension fund and used it to fund tax breaks for business's and the rich.
now they want the worker to pay again.

Q </div></div>

Wrong.

They promised the benefits and never set aside the money to pay.

LWW
06-23-2011, 04:30 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #990000">Do you know what promise means?</span></div></div>

Yes ... it means a lie told by a statist to a moonbat crazy leftist because they will believe whatever their godkings tell them to believe.

Stretch
06-23-2011, 05:16 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #990000">Do you know what promise means?</span></div></div>

Yes ... it means a lie told by a statist to a moonbat crazy leftist because they will believe whatever their godkings tell them to believe. </div></div>

In other words, "no". St.

Qtec
06-23-2011, 05:23 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> They promised the benefits and never set aside the money to pay.</div></div>

That's what the post I made said MORON!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and some states, such as New Jersey and Illinois, <span style='font-size: 26pt'>skipped or reduced required payments.</span> </div></div>



Q

LWW
06-23-2011, 05:52 AM
Can you two find a crack addict to explain things to you, I'm sure their comprehension skills are superior to yours.

Stretch
06-23-2011, 07:07 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can you two find a crack addict to explain things to you, I'm sure their comprehension skills are superior to yours. </div></div>

Well then light your pipe and take another crack at it. St.