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Soflasnapper
06-25-2011, 06:24 PM
Just had dinner with Pops at a local Italian dinner place.

Next to us there were 2 older Jewish couples, and their conversation eventually turned to Obama, against whom they voiced their opposition.

For what?

Their complaint, voiced by one and agreed to by all, was that Obama was getting ready to cut SS and Medicare for the needy, while refusing to raise the taxes on the wealthiest.

Which is to say they were against Obama from his left, from their mainstream Democratic principles. Nothing about his allegedly anti-Israeli policy.

Naturally, this anecdote involves a tiny sampling, so there is no guarantee this is the typical position of an average Jewish American person, or that more Jewish Americans would hold this view than the opposite one. That's what I'd have said if they WERE criticizing Obama as anti-Israeli as well, and it's no less true just because they said something I thought they'd say.

Still...

LWW
06-26-2011, 04:46 AM
The regime has already cut Medicare ... yet the dembots howl that the Ryan Plan, which doesn't cut Medicare, is the one that actually cuts Medicare while believing that Obamacare, which does cut Medicare, doesn't.

Y'all make Orwell proud.

Soflasnapper
06-26-2011, 10:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LWW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The regime has already cut Medicare ... yet the dembots howl that the Ryan Plan, which doesn't cut Medicare, is the one that actually cuts Medicare while believing that Obamacare, which does cut Medicare, doesn't.

Y'all make Orwell proud. </div></div>

Under either Obamacare or the Ryan plan, spending for Medicare goes way up, so in that sense, which Gingrich pushed forever in the '90s, there are no cuts.

However, that former Gingrich position is whacked, and of course both programs involve massive cuts in benefit levels (compared to baseline projections of annual cost increases plus the approx. doubling of the beneficiary population with the retirement of the baby boomers).

In fact, Obama's willingness to propose (and pass, it's part of Obamacare) his 10-year $500 billion reduction in Medicare payments sounds like exactly the complaint of these couples. They were, after all, criticizing OBAMA, as I said.

Obama is not signing onto the Ryan plan, nor signalling he will, nor are the Democrats signalling they will do that. These people WERE criticizing Obama for what you say they should be criticizing him for. As Democrats.

LWW
06-27-2011, 03:45 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In fact, Obama's willingness to propose (and pass, it's part of Obamacare) his 10-year $500 billion reduction in Medicare payments</div></div>

The cuts he counted twice so that he could spoon feed you that Obamacare was deficit neutral.

That one was a hoot.

LWW
06-27-2011, 03:47 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama is not signing onto the Ryan plan, nor signalling he will, nor are the Democrats signalling they will do that.</div></div>

And that's a crying shame because as you noted on Medicare Part D ... privitizing this would likely end up with increased coverage for participants as well as 28% to 40% reductions from current cost estimates.