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LWW
07-05-2011, 08:17 AM
As we all know ... according to the Goremons ... global warming is caused solely by the industrialization of the human race, so has spake Saint Albert of Green Acres ... Peace Prize be upon him ... and so shall it be accepted by the mob.

The "INCONVENIENT TRUTH" has been that all of the science indicates that the warming has stopped in 1998.

Well, fear not doublethinkers ... the moonbat crazy left now has an explanation for this phenomenon.

You see, hears what happened. Man made global warming was caused solely by the industrialization of the human race. What caused it to stop was solely the further industrialization of the human race.

Pure "BLACKWHITE" and "DOUBLETHINK" on display. (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/04/us-climate-sulphur-idUSTRE7634IQ20110704)

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Smoke belching from Asia's rapidly growing economies is largely responsible for a halt in global warming in the decade after 1998 because of sulphur's cooling effect, even though greenhouse gas emissions soared, a U.S. study said on Monday.

The paper raised the prospect of more rapid, pent-up climate change when emerging economies eventually crack down on pollution.

World temperatures did not rise from 1998 to 2008, while manmade emissions of carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuel grew by nearly a third, various data show.

The researchers from Boston and Harvard Universities and Finland's University of Turku said pollution, and specifically sulphur emissions, from coal-fueled growth in Asia was responsible for the cooling effect.

Sulphur allows water drops or aerosols to form, creating hazy clouds which reflect sunlight back into space.

"Anthropogenic activities that warm and cool the planet largely cancel after 1998, which allows natural variables to play a more significant role," the paper said. </div></div>

The final truth has been shown ... the entire scam of man made global warming is simply anti-capitalist statist wrapped in the robes of junk science to incite the mob with PhotoChopped photos and rigged computer models.

IOW ... if the temperature goes up, it's because of the <u><span style='font-size: 11pt'>EEEVILLL</span></u> nature of capitalism.

OTOH ... if the temperature goes down, it's because of the <u><span style='font-size: 11pt'>EEEVILLL</span></u> nature of capitalism.

And ... amazingly ... if it stays the same, which supposedly was the eco-goal, it's because of the <u><span style='font-size: 11pt'>EEEVILLL</span></u> nature of capitalism.

Soflasnapper
07-05-2011, 11:21 AM
I've said it before-- if there is more than just a single variable to consider, you appear to be unable to process a rational take, and your brain explodes. Sometimes even when there is but a single variable, as well.

Can you not understand covariance, involving multiple independent variables that have different effects? Evidently not.

Let's think of other examples to show how this might work. I stepped up my exercising a lot, and found I was still gaining weight, because I had upped my food intake quite a bit as well. Or, I turned on my space heater because it was so cold, found it too hot as a result, and so opened my window, whereupon the temp went down in my room.

Haven't you heard of the year called the year without summer, when Krakatoa erupted and put so huge an amount of particulate matter into the air that temps were cooled for an entire year?

The impact of soot and aerosols has been well known for a long time as a cooling factor. All that appears to have happened here is a proper quantification of just how great are the amounts coming from China, etc., allegedly great enough to stall out the warming trend.

Except, of course, 2010 has been measured as the warmest year on record, and all the prior 10 years are in the 15 hottest years (something like that) recorded in modern times, so the warming trend sets a new high, and obviously then the trend is still upward.

BTW, far from making a scientific argument, you are making an Alinsky argument of ridicule and scorn. Why won't you stop this churlish troll type behavior and discuss this at least rationally? (Then go back to what obviously floats your boat.)

LWW
07-05-2011, 02:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've said it before-- if there is more than just a single variable to consider, you appear to be unable to process a rational take, and your brain explodes. Sometimes even when there is but a single variable, as well.

Can you not understand covariance, involving multiple independent variables that have different effects? Evidently not.</div></div>

Sorry, but you are trying to deceive your own self.

The variable blamed for warming is pollution and the blame for pollution is capitalism.

OTOH the variable blamed for cooling is pollution and the blame for pollution is capitalism.

To not see the doublethink involved in your belief system requires doublethink.

LWW
07-05-2011, 02:39 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Haven't you heard of the year called the year without summer, when Krakatoa erupted and put so huge an amount of particulate matter into the air that temps were cooled for an entire year?</div></div>

We aren't talking about Krakatoa ... we are talking about smokestack pollution, which happens to be a declining problem over time BTW.

LWW
07-05-2011, 03:03 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soflasnapper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Except, of course, 2010 has been measured as the warmest year on record, and all the prior 10 years are in the 15 hottest years (something like that) recorded in modern times, so the warming trend sets a new high, and obviously then the trend is still upward.</div></div>

Balderdash and poppycock.

This claim can only be made to anskyism ... "If it doesn't fit, we must omit!"

Oh dear ... the Goremon's beloved McMann hockey stick was shown to be a fraud:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_gcA0ZuKGkI8/SyKvN37RfuI/AAAAAAAAFLk/x0otYd3LMQQ/s640/Hockey+stick+graph.gif


And 2010 was certainly among the warmest years ever, after you omit all the years that were warmer still:
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/orland_giss_blink2_520.gif

LEARN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFbUVBYIPlI&feature=player_embedded)

The Goremon sleight of hand is even more heinous in time study than those believing the Earth is only 6,000 years old as the Goremon faith is de facto based on the false belief that the Earth didn't exist before about 1850 since written weather records didn't exist.

That ignores the actual science which can use numerous proxies such as ice core samples, tree rings, and solar output to determine past climate.

Goremonism instead uses the last 160 years as the totality of a planet roughly 4,150,000,000 years old.

To put this in it's proper perspective ... the Goremon faith insists upon ignoring the history of 99.9999964% of the planet and demanding that only the most recent 0.0000036%% is valid.

To put that in further perspective, it would be analogous to having only the temperature record of the last 1.14 seconds and demanding folks believe that you can predict the weather for the future.

Goremonism is a cult.

Soflasnapper
07-07-2011, 06:44 PM
Should have said 'recorded year,' and then I'd have been correct. The past years are reconstructions from some or another proxy measurement by which the temperatures are deduced, not directly measured as in more current times.

It is important at times to state things precisely, or often what is a true statement (when stated correctly) becomes false. Clearly I made that error of descriptive language. Having cleared that up, and stated it correctly, it is true.

Whatever Mann's methodological problems, the hockey stick claim has been confirmed by many others using other proxies.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The skeptic argument...

Hockey stick is broken

"In 2003 Professor McKitrick teamed with a Canadian engineer, Steve McIntyre, in attempting to replicate the hockey stick and debunked it as statistical nonsense. They revealed how the chart was derived from 'collation errors, unjustified truncation or extrapolation of source data, obsolete data, incorrect principal component calculations, geographical mislocations and other serious defects', substantially affecting the temperature index." (John McLaughlin)

What the science says...

Since the hockey stick paper in 1998, there have been a number of proxy studies analysing a variety of different sources including corals, stalagmites, tree rings, boreholes and ice cores. They all confirm the original hockey stick conclusion: the 20th century is the warmest in the last 1000 years and that warming was most dramatic after 1920.

The "hockey stick" describes a reconstruction of past temperature over the past 1000 to 2000 years using tree-rings, ice cores, coral and other records that act as proxies for temperature (Mann 1999). The reconstruction found that global temperature gradually cooled over the last 1000 years with a sharp upturn in the 20th Century. The principal result from the hockey stick is that global temperatures over the last few decades are the warmest in the last 1000 years.


Figure 1: Northern Hemisphere temperature changes estimated from various proxy records shown in blue (Mann 1999). Instrumental data shown in red. Note the large uncertainty (grey area) as you go further back in time.

A critique of the hockey stick was published in 2004 (McIntyre 2004), claiming the hockey stick shape was the inevitable result of the statistical method used (principal components analysis). They also claimed temperatures over the 15th Century were derived from one bristlecone pine proxy record. They concluded that the hockey stick shape was not statistically significant.

An independent assessment of Mann's hockey stick was conducted by the National Center for Atmospheric Research (Wahl 2007). They reconstructed temperatures employing a variety of statistical techniques (with and without principal components analysis). Their results found slightly different temperatures in the early 15th Century. However, they confirmed the principal results of the original hockey stick - that the warming trend and temperatures over the last few decades are unprecedented over at least the last 600 years.


Figure 2: Original hockey stick graph (blue - MBH1998) compared to Wahl & Ammann reconstruction (red). Instrumental record in black (Wahl 2007).

While many continue to fixate on Mann's early work on proxy records, the science of paleoclimatology has moved on. Since 1999, there have been many independent reconstructions of past temperatures, using a variety of proxy data and a number of different methodologies. All find the same result - that the last few decades are the hottest in the last 500 to 2000 years (depending on how far back the reconstruction goes). What are some of the proxies that are used to determine past temperature?

Changes in surface temperature send thermal waves underground, cooling or warming the subterranean rock. To track these changes, underground temperature measurements were examined from over 350 bore holes in North America, Europe, Southern Africa and Australia (Huang 2000). Borehole reconstructions aren't able to give short term variation, yielding only century-scale trends. What they find is that the 20th century is the warmest of the past five centuries with the strongest warming trend in 500 years.</div></div>

Figures referenced in text shown here. (http://www.skepticalscience.com/broken-hockey-stick.htm)